General Music Chat

Hawkin needs attention, attention = money. Create a little controversy, get everyone arguing their theories, way to go, Steve.

Chaeya, you're a pretty smart cookie!

The same thing was done in coining the term "God Particle" for the Higgs Boson particle. It drummed up MASSIVE attention, which then allowed Leon Lederman to sell ALOT more books!

Hawking needs a Guinness..or 2

Hawking needs a Guinness..or 2

Craig, you have to have a background in real estate and marketing to know some tricks of the trade, and my cousin is a publicist. Now, if I can just find that one thing that will work for me. Ha ha.

Chaeya

I can "think", therefore I exist.

ah, one the most famous fallacious statements of all time! I think therefore I am!

What's fallacious about self-awareness?


If I am AWARE of my own thoughts... if I am THINKING... if I am CONSCIOUS, it would be IRRATIONAL to assume that I DO NOT exist, would it not be? You could suggest that I am merely being DELUDED into believing that I am actually thinking, but... if I am being deluded, then again, I can rationally assume that I EXIST in order to even be ABLE to be deluded. And if I EXIST (even in order to be deceived) then the true fallacy, would be that I don't really exist.

Consciousness VERIFIES my existence.


Try again.

Define consciousness.
You cant.

God is God.

It's too simple a concept for a genius, but not a Guinness. LOL

Define consciousness.
You cant.

It can be defined, but within which discipline? Are we speaking of consciousness as determined by medical science? They measure responses to stimuli and other methods, to determine consciousness. But this leads to questions about people who are comatose or in a vegetative state. Some who were in a vegetative state, later "awoke" and were determined to have been aware of the sounds and activities around them, but had no measurable reaction, when brainwaves were measured. Philosophers have a field day playing with the meaning of "consciousness".

But at it's most basic, consciousness is simply "awareness". I have experiences, and I am AWARE of them... I have thought... I am cognizant of my existence.

There's no real need to complicate the matter as an intellectual exercise.

It's somewhat like saying... "Hey... that barn is a beautiful RED color!"

Well... the barn is actually the OPPOSITE of "red". It "appears" red to us, because it's composition, is actually REJECTING the red color of the light spectrum. The red light waves, are being rejected (reflected) back off the object, with all the other colors being ABSORBED by the object. So that when we see the RED LIGHT being reflected back off the object, it APPEARS that the object itself is the color of RED.

But even knowing all that... when I say: "Hey, that barn is a beautiful RED color!"

Everyone understands what I mean.

Should I really have to say... "Hey look! The Red light waves being reflected off that barn sure are pretty!"

Consciousness is similar.

We "KNOW" when we are conscious. It doesn't require an elaborate definition.

Try again.
You can do better.

Try again.

You can do better.

LOL


I don't know what else to offer. Consciousness, is in a very exclusive club. It's one of the few pieces of knowledge that is innate. Our awareness is an instant verification that we exist. There is no debating it. No alternative possibilities. I am AWARE... I instantly know that I... EXIST. I am a CONSCIOUS being. I'm alive!

It's a tough nut to formally crack.
Your explanation is as good as anyone elses.
It isn't really something that can be proved. A proof can be shown under a premise, but it's still just a premise or a position to start with.
I would add that conciousness is possibly self awareness .

:D

I would add that conciousness is possibly self awareness .

I started to type "self-awareness" at one point, and then the question came into my mind... "What about babies? Are they aware of self? If not, when do they acquire that knowledge usually? Would some suggest that babies were not conscious beings, if that were the case? Would some consider them not fully human, as a result?"

I didn't want to start up that conversation, so...

I left it at... "aware"

My view is, God is conciousness.
That's just me. And I don't have to prove it or debate it. I'm fine with it.

My view is, God is conciousness.

For me, this view creates many questions:


1) If God is consciousness, who am I?

2) If God is consciousness, yet the awareness I experience is MINE. Doesn't that make me (or anyone else) God?

3) If we are all "God", then why the dissension? The diversity of goals, the difference in character among individuals?

4) Is God divided, and fighting amongst himself?

5) If God is consciousness itself, then what was He "before" the creation of people who are vehicles of that consciousness? Was he consciousness without form?

6) We seem to agree that consciousness is self-awareness, then... how does that fit your theory? Is God only the awareness of self? Is He then Creator of this universe, or merely occupant of it? Or is self-awareness just one, of His traits, among others?


I'm sure I have more questions, but it's getting late (3:30 am)


btw... The questions are not sarcastic, but instead... sincere questions, that come up for me.

I have considered something similar, and I felt there was something beautiful about the idea, but there are many problems with it, in my own reflections on it. So, I tend to think something similar, which is... That consciousness, is like a spark from God, almost like a sliver of his very nature... a GIFT, of Himself to his children, if you will. Something that ALWAYS acts as a cord, a connection to Him, even when our hearts are very far away from Him. Because even then, even still, we have that piece of Him, of His very nature, which lies at the core, of WHO WE ARE, as human beings... the foundational stone, upon which we build the rest of our lives, through the process of free will.

To me, that is still very beautiful, and comforting too... but with less doubts or dilemmas.


But I'd like it if you answered some of those questions, and maybe expound on your idea a little more. I'm intrigued to understand how you have fit things together.

1) God runs through you. You might say... he broke off, or sacrificed a peice of himself to create your soul.
2) No it doesn't, but some philosophies/religions see it that way.
3) Free will.
4) Free will.
5) Yes.
6) One of his traits among others.

How about, 'consciousness is the ever flowing breath of god'?
Something flowing throughout all things, without which, that thing (or those things), would dissolve back into the __, or cease to exist.

(Could fill in the blank with lots of different stuff)

Yeah , Chaeya, and if only he had some boobs.
In the meantime sounds like a lot of non essential flubbering.