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#113575 by Paleopete
Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:56 pm
Bob - I'd love to throw my hat in the ring. I'm predominately a rock player, but have been leaning more and more toward blues for years, and in the past 10 years I've been finding out all of my main early influences were originally blues oriented players. Clapton, Page, Allman, Walsh, Gilmour, Trower, Johnny Winter...and have been realizing I'm actually more a blues player than anything else.

Check out "While We Cry" on my profile, it's a cover, but still gives you an idea of my style and ability in the blues arena, and some of it is improvised too, it's not strictly a copy. I wanted my Strat but broke a string and had no spares, so I used the Peavey Patriot, and it's also too clean, I wanted just a hint of dirty, had it on the amp but it didn't come out in the recording.

That one was done by the old "ping pong" method, bouncing it between my old reel to reel and a friend's CD recorder. I played everything but drums, that was a drum machine. (Yamaha keyboard for drums and organ) We were both really surprised when noise didn't bite us on the a$$. He just had to be a jerk and add fake audience applause, I hate that, but he was the proverbial kid with a new toy, and always went overboard with effects both onstage and in recordings.

I managed to keep the effects reigned in on this one, but he added the audience stuff after I left the studio...I was pissed...he also added a spoken bit in front, saying it was named "Cry Baby" and I wrote it, I cut that part out, I almost started a fight over that one, I specifically told him DO NOT do that, I would be open for plagiarism charges. He did it anyway...so I cropped it and got rid of that intro.

As far as playing blues, at least for lead players, the best advice anyone can give you is put everything you have into every note. Make each note say something, make it count. That's how BB King let Stevie Ray Vaughn play his ass off for several minutes, then blew him right off the stage with the very first note. BB can say more with one note than 99% of the world's guitar players can in 10 minutes. Who cares if you can play 87 notes in 4 seconds, if not one of them actually says anything?

That goes for any instrument. Guitar, harmonica, piano, sax, you name it.

I started trying to play melodic instead of fast over 20 years ago, after listening to David Gilmour a lot, (a master of melodic) and believe me nothing is more difficult. I think learning to play fast helped a lot, I'm not constantly fumbling around trying to find the notes I want, my fingers already know how to get there. The problem is NOT THINKING ABOUT IT...If I think about it, I suck out loud. If I just decide where to start then let my fingers go their merry way, it usually turns out pretty well.

Melodic is the way to go for me, especially with blues, and when it works, it's great. When it bombs...well it really bombs...but the challenge is there so I always can't wait to give it a try.

#113627 by fisherman bob
Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:01 pm
People who play everything fast don't impress me at all. You need to build up to fast. If you start fast where do you go from there? It especially doesn't work in the blues. Muddy Waters had a saying, "if you've got something save it." I have a saying, "don't shoot your wad on the very first solo." Otherwise you've got nothing left...

#113652 by Starfish Scott
Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:22 pm
I just listened to "While We Cry" and liked it.

Reminded me of Cracker and something off of LOW..

OOH I got it, reminds me of TAKE ME DOWN TO THE INFIRMARY.

GJ, very nice work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dly5hGdsczY

Cracker is one of my favorite bands. The music is sad as hell but still interesting/captivating.

#113680 by Slacker G
Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:52 pm
Bob,

I tried to send an email to you but the stupid watch dog wouldn't let me in. It asked for my password. I gave it. Again, and again, and again. So I said send me my pass word. Then where it had my email addy already typed, I re typed it. Then it said there is no such account. So I guess there must be bad blood between the password watchdog on the forum and the email password watchdog. Go figure... I just love F&^%$n computers :evil: :evil: :evil:

#113692 by Paleopete
Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:52 am
Capt - Thanks. I think it's ok overall, I had no complaints on my playing, it was pretty much what I wanted, but didn't like the guitar sound. Too harsh and biting, wrong guitar. Otherwise, pretty good, especially for the old school methods we had to use. when the Strat broke a string, the Patriot was the only option so I went with it. It never does sound as mellow, full and smooth as the strat does. Too trebly too.

Slacker - HUH??? Password watchdog??? Never heard of such a thing.

OK just read back..Bandmix messaging, only used it a couple of times and had no trouble with replies to messages sent to me.

#113700 by fisherman bob
Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:33 am
Slacker G wrote:Bob,

I tried to send an email to you but the stupid watch dog wouldn't let me in. It asked for my password. I gave it. Again, and again, and again. So I said send me my pass word. Then where it had my email addy already typed, I re typed it. Then it said there is no such account. So I guess there must be bad blood between the password watchdog on the forum and the email password watchdog. Go figure... I just love F&^%$n computers :evil: :evil: :evil:
Screw the computer, you've got a phone, right? Call me at 913-940-3020 any time.

#113713 by Slacker G
Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:33 pm
Not a cell phone. Long distance is costly. Peeps ask why I don't have a cell phone so they can contact me. I tell then that IS the reason I don't have a cell phone. :)

Maybe you can get through to me and I can reply.

#121219 by Fred Jam
Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:44 pm
Here's a couple that I wrote and produced:

http://fjamfinished.blogspot.com/2007/0 ... -rock.html

http://fjamfinished.blogspot.com/2007/0 ... blues.html


I'm singing and drumming on both and I wrote the melodies/arrangements. Online collabs. I write all sorts of stuff but I love the blues.

#121221 by Krul
Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:28 pm
Hurry up everybody, I want to hear this!

#121222 by gtZip
Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:33 pm
philbymon wrote:I dunno about that. bob. I've sat in with blues guys both on guitar & bass, as well as as a singer. It ain't all that hard, unless you're playing leads & such, maybe. A supporting player couldn't find a genre that's much easier to do, imho. As long as you know your basic scales, you can fit in seamlessly, & add something to the group, unless you're one of them poor folk with all thier taste in thier mouth.

I think bluegrass is much harder, as a rule. It's a much stricter genre, & it's difficult, without some lightning fast licks, to make anything that sounds very impressive to the listener in that jingly-jangly stuff. The lack of a drummer makes it even harder, & you sure won't get much sustain from that there mandolin or banjo or flat-top.

Far as the writing new stuff, I'm all for it. By all means, get it out there & play it for the ppl. Write an anthem for a generation if you can. Blues is great to write in, but harder to write in & keep it interesting to someone like me, I guess. I like my changes a lot.

I have a cpl written that are just too damned long & ponderous. That's a problem I get when I write blues - I take them too damned far & think too much. You can lose an audience like that.

I wanna hear what you're doing these days.

I need to get to the studio & get my stuff down in some fashion. I have a few good songs.


Yeah phil, about the blues... the format is easy, but making a song that stands out or is special, instead of just a song that songs like 'another' blues song - thats where it gets very hard.
Imagine that your job is to roam the mountain tops with a mason jar and catch a bolt of lightning in it.
99.9% chance of failure and disaster. 8)

If you're talking flat out hardest genre to play, considering all musical factors, that would be Jazz.
As a guitar player it's Jazz anywho.
Harder than classical, harder than bluegrass.

#121224 by Fred Jam
Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:56 pm
gtZip wrote:
philbymon wrote:I dunno about that. bob. I've sat in with blues guys both on guitar & bass, as well as as a singer. It ain't all that hard, unless you're playing leads & such, maybe. A supporting player couldn't find a genre that's much easier to do, imho. As long as you know your basic scales, you can fit in seamlessly, & add something to the group, unless you're one of them poor folk with all thier taste in thier mouth.

I think bluegrass is much harder, as a rule. It's a much stricter genre, & it's difficult, without some lightning fast licks, to make anything that sounds very impressive to the listener in that jingly-jangly stuff. The lack of a drummer makes it even harder, & you sure won't get much sustain from that there mandolin or banjo or flat-top.

Far as the writing new stuff, I'm all for it. By all means, get it out there & play it for the ppl. Write an anthem for a generation if you can. Blues is great to write in, but harder to write in & keep it interesting to someone like me, I guess. I like my changes a lot.

I have a cpl written that are just too damned long & ponderous. That's a problem I get when I write blues - I take them too damned far & think too much. You can lose an audience like that.

I wanna hear what you're doing these days.

I need to get to the studio & get my stuff down in some fashion. I have a few good songs.


Yeah phil, about the blues... the format is easy, but making a song that stands out or is special, instead of just a song that songs like 'another' blues song - thats where it gets very hard.
Imagine that your job is to roam the mountain tops with a mason jar and catch a bolt of lightning in it.
99.9% chance of failure and disaster. 8)

If you're talking flat out hardest genre to play, considering all musical factors, that would be Jazz.
As a guitar player it's Jazz anywho.
Harder than classical, harder than bluegrass.


What does "hard" have to do with it? Don't you enjoy any music that didn't set any records? We don't play music as a competition do we? Is there a pecking order involved?

#121225 by philbymon
Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:00 pm
Fred, perhaps it would be better if you actually went back & read the original conversation, & knew what it was about, before joining in with your opinions, which have little to nothing to do with anything we were talking about...

#121226 by Fred Jam
Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:05 pm
philbymon wrote:Fred, perhaps it would be better if you actually went back & read the original conversation, & knew what it was about, before joining in with your opinions, which have little to nothing to do with anything we were talking about...


No opinions offered. I asked. We are talking about blues collaborations. I didn't make a single statement.

#121227 by philbymon
Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:08 pm
:lol:

K. Poor choice of wording. I shoulda said "before interjecting when it's obvious you aren't aware of the content of the original conversation," I suppose...

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