General Music Chat

Bars that host cover bands should pay the fees. They already make money off from the bands, should they make money from the original artists and publishers? I find it disturbing that anyone who calls themself a musician would not stand up for artist's intellectual rights. People think nothing about illegally downloading or sharing music, software, etc. I say that's a bad omen for artists, writers and software developers.

+1. What he said.

Ever since the record companies lost revenue from people dl'ing the music for free from the internet, they feel like WE the public are stealing from them.

Now it's a free for all, grab as much money as they can in any way they can.



Politicians are the biggest scumbags, followed by lawyers and then the record companies.

. . . I find it disturbing that anyone who calls themself a musician would not stand up for artist's intellectual rights . . .

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Amen

If I ever won the lottery I'd buy a bar and call it All Original Bar and only allow musicians who play their own music. Of course I'd probably lose my shirt on it but having won the lottery I wouldn't care. I wonder if BMI could demand their fee from me at that point.

Ever since the record companies lost revenue from people dl'ing the music for free from the internet, they feel like WE the public are stealing from them.

Now it's a free for all, grab as much money as they can in any way they can.



Politicians are the biggest scumbags, followed by lawyers and then the record companies.

If a venue is featuring cover bands and not paying the PRO's, they are stealing from the copyright owner.

If I ever won the lottery I'd buy a bar and call it All Original Bar and only allow musicians who play their own music. Of course I'd probably lose my shirt on it but having won the lottery I wouldn't care. I wonder if BMI could demand their fee from me at that point.

Not positive but I think if the bands played any selections from any recordings that were published you would still have to pay BMI or ASCAP.

Ever since the record companies lost revenue from people dl'ing the music for free from the internet, they feel like WE the public are stealing from them.

Now it's a free for all, grab as much money as they can in any way they can.



Politicians are the biggest scumbags, followed by lawyers and then the record companies.

If a venue is featuring cover bands and not paying the PRO's, they are stealing from the copyright owner.

When you do a cover, do you do it just the way they did? 9 times in 10 the answer is NO.

It's this convoluted horseshit that killed the OLGA site.

Pro's don't need the greenbacks, they get paid well to do what they do.
It's the greedy ass record companies and other parasites trying to make $ on the back of the performer.

IF you are a low lvl band that is barely making it, I say let them do what they want.

IF you are a headliner and you are stealing others' music to play at the hillbilly convention, then you need to pay because you are by default making enough to make a difference.

Mr. Burke have you EVER paid BMI or ASCAP for the crap YOU cover>>?

Didn't think so..

Ever since the record companies lost revenue from people dl'ing the music for free from the internet, they feel like WE the public are stealing from them.

Now it's a free for all, grab as much money as they can in any way they can.



Politicians are the biggest scumbags, followed by lawyers and then the record companies.

If a venue is featuring cover bands and not paying the PRO's, they are stealing from the copyright owner.

When you do a cover, do you do it just the way they did? 9 times in 10 the answer is NO.

It's this convoluted horseshit that killed the OLGA site.

Pro's don't need the greenbacks, they get paid well to do what they do.
It's the greedy ass record companies and other parasites trying to make $ on the back of the performer.

IF you are a low lvl band that is barely making it, I say let them do what they want.

IF you are a headliner and you are stealing others' music to play at the hillbilly convention, then you need to pay because you are by default making enough to make a difference.

Mr. Burke have you EVER paid BMI or ASCAP for the crap YOU cover>>?

Didn't think so..

Your hostility aside, I would submit that you don't really understand the functions of a PRO. I have been a member of BMI for a long time. They protect the rights of copyright owners, not 'greedy ass record companies and other parasites'. If the record company owns the publishing rights to a composition, they are entitled to the royalties.


As for me personally paying BMI or ASCAP for performing rights, I would refer you to this, from ASCAP's website:



"12. Aren't musicians, entertainers and DJ's responsible for obtaining permission for music they perform?

Some people mistakenly assume that musicians and entertainers must obtain licenses to perform copyrighted music or that businesses where music is performed can shift their responsibility to musicians or entertainers. The law says all who participate in, or are responsible for, performances of music are legally responsible. Since it is the business owner who obtains the ultimate benefit from the performance, it is the business owner who obtains the license. Music license fees are one of the many costs of doing business."

I believe if you want to cover a song (whether you play it live or record it) you can obtain a blanket performance license for $250. You would also owe royalties to the publishers if you sold any copies of the performance. It doesn't matter if you do the song exactly as it was originally written and recorded or if you rearranged it, if it's substantially like the original you would owe.

If I ever won the lottery I'd buy a bar and call it All Original Bar and only allow musicians who play their own music. Of course I'd probably lose my shirt on it but having won the lottery I wouldn't care. I wonder if BMI could demand their fee from me at that point.

Not positive but I think if the bands played any selections from any recordings that were published you would still have to pay BMI or ASCAP.

I think if the artist (original music) is a BMI or ASCAP member the venue still has to pay. If the artist is not a member then you don't.

Yes that makes sense, although most if not all publishers would be members of one or the other or both.

The bottom line is that these rules are there to protect the artist and publishers, not to make life hard for them. People who think "the artists makes big bucks and the record companies make big bucks, why should I pay them" are the problem. Stealing is stealing.

"the crap YOU cover..."



That one slipped by me the first time. Are there any songs that you are capable of covering? Having heard your "work", I would keep a lower profile if I were you, Captain Cousteau.

"the crap YOU cover..."



That one slipped by me the first time. Are there any songs that you are capable of covering? Having heard your "work", I would keep a lower profile if I were you, Captain Cousteau.

Oh excuse me, that was a slip of the tongue/finger "Mr. 0.90db". I listened to what you have to offer and I may have said crap as I am def not a fan of your genre. It smells of cheap cigars and fly by night lounge acts.

And for the record, I'd walk out of your show in a second when I saw it was just you and your wife.

Reminds me of a one man band complete with kazoo and kick drum that you carry as your foot steps on the rubber horn.

Your move, you greaaasssssy lil cur. lol

Oh and that white hat looks like you own slaves! Bwhahaaaaaa Cracker.

"the crap YOU cover..."



That one slipped by me the first time. Are there any songs that you are capable of covering? Having heard your "work", I would keep a lower profile if I were you, Captain Cousteau.

Oh excuse me, that was a slip of the tongue/finger "Mr. 0.90db". I listened to what you have to offer and I may have said crap as I am def not a fan of your genre. It smells of cheap cigars and fly by night lounge acts.

And for the record, I'd walk out of your show in a second when I saw it was just you and your wife.

Reminds me of a one man band complete with kazoo and kick drum that you carry as your foot steps on the rubber horn.

Your move, you greaaasssssy lil cur. lol

Oh and that white hat looks like you own slaves! Bwhahaaaaaa Cracker.

Scathing retort. Utterly scathing.


Is this a case of arrested adolescence, or just another internet troll banging away on his keyboard in his darkened bedroom?


You do make me wonder what you would be doing on a musician's site, though. For someone with no chops, no band, no experience, no credits, no talent, and no hope, you sure do have an attitude.


Carry on, Captain “Starfish”. Your hate will eat you alive, but it is fun to watch.

lol Hate? You are thinking you are higher on the food chain than you are.

Nah you're the pesky fly that won't go away. I'll just leave the no pest strip up and you'll get stuck eventually.

PS: Didn't I just catch your act at the Holiday Inn lounge, circa Timbuktu ?

lol