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again I fail to see your argument on the women issue. Now if a women were holding a sign that said $50.00 a pop then I would have to wonder but until that moment happens you can never ASSUME anything.

Assumptions are the devils work and they will get you into trouble. like i said why dont' you take a video camera out one day and go tell these women that they are doing wrong. I want to see what happens to you. Please be my guest. You have the lord on your side right? Then no harm can come from it.

Unless you doubt your MASTER lol. Calling god master lol. You obviously don't understand free will. Looks like you probably never will either lol. You are just like these ancient priests we have been talking about lol.

You scared that seeing these girls turn you on lol. Don't be scared of a little drift wood friend just means when you get home your wife gets some of that good lovin and none of that missionary style horseshit lol.

That reminds me. In the bible it states that for sex the man and women should be face to face. Are you and your fiance going to do it missionary style the whole entire time you are married? I mean your MASTER said in the NEW TRANSLATED version that is how it is done?

Just come off it man. Stop flying in outerspace and come visit the earth for a little while. Either that or stop drinking so many sodas lol your caffiene buzz is probably diluting your brain.

Well i'm outa here to go have a baby I mean raise a heathern child to this world ruled by imortal sin and damnation lol.

Daniel....you, Sir, rock.

Hmm and all this talk about nipples and cleavage....phew, I'd better take a cold shower!

"In the bible it states that for sex the man and women should be face to face"

what the..?!

you jus gotta gimme a versse for that one amigo..

I'll bet anything King David did it every which way. He was known as a real horn dog.

He was lol thas funny. Give me a little while and I'll try and find the freakin verse for it. Hell the military follows the same rules that are stated in the bible as far as sex goes.

They say that you can't do anything other then missionary and that oral sex is sodamy. The military will throw you in prison if you are cought breaking any of these rules lol.

The Lawyer who gave us our brief on it told us about the history and how it came from the bible.

Anyway I'll look it up when we gt this whole new born thing taken care of. Later

In my state (yes, Utah...stop laughing) laws are STILL on the books that say anything but missionary position sex between married people is "sodomy" and therefore illegal. Now they don't actively prosecute that these days, but you have to wonder why those antiquated laws are allowed to remain.

A standing homage to our Puritan past? Who knows.

I had a friend that lived out there. poor bastard killed himself. It's crazy what laws are still in affect like in Indiana. They still have a law that states if any colored person is found walking the streets after dark it is legal to hang them.

I don't know about you but that one should have been shut down long ago lol. In just about every single state there are some weird laws that just get missed. Then when people do those things they can't be prosecuted because hey they law said I could lol.

It's sad actually

He was lol thas funny. Give me a little while and I'll try and find the freakin verse for it. Hell the military follows the same rules that are stated in the bible as far as sex goes.

They say that you can't do anything other then missionary and that oral sex is sodamy. The military will throw you in prison if you are cought breaking any of these rules lol.

The Lawyer who gave us our brief on it told us about the history and how it came from the bible.

Anyway I'll look it up when we gt this whole new born thing taken care of. Later

Don't bother. There isn't one. This why we have to read the bible for ourselves.

There is no where in the bible that states that. I also consulted several credible Christian web sites. Not only does the bible NOT state that there is only one proper way to have sex but AS LONG AS YOU ARE MARRIED pretty much everything is on the table, and is a blessed thing. If you are not married, nothing is on the table.

So Daniel you are being lied to and this is the point Irminsul makes, and I agree with him. And Irminsul from past discussions I think your beef is more with the Catholic Church (if I am wrong I apologize) then Christianity as a whole or specifically and I am in total agreement with you. The Catholic Church has done more harm in the name of God then anyone IMO. They are responsible for the corruption and twisted biblical interpretation for gain. I used to be catholic. My eyes were opened when I left the Catholic Church and became a "Christian". Any religion who's doctrine says you have to go through "US" to get to God has way to much power.

In Leviticus (and other places) it is laid out very cut and dried what is and isn't allowed sexually. Read it for yourself.

Basically as long as you are married to some one of the opposite sex, stay faithful to your spouse, and don't bring animals into the love making your good to go. Oh, during her time of the month is forbidden as well. I am pretty sure that if God was so specific on what not to do, "proper" sexual procedures wouldn't have slipped his mind.

So Daniel you are being lied to and this is the point Irminsul makes, and I agree with him. And Irminsul from past discussions I think your beef is more with the Catholic Church (if I am wrong I apologize) then Christianity as a whole, and I am in total agreement with you. The Catholic Church has done more harm in the name of God then anyone IMO. They are responsible for the corruption and twisted biblical interpretation for gain. I used to be catholic. My eyes were opened when I left the Catholic Church and became a "Christian". Any religion who's doctrine says you have to go through "US" to get to God has way to much power.

No, that's not my position at all. The Catholic institution had its atrocities and so did the Protestants after them. No Church is better or worse than another. Deciding who is and who isnt a Christian is a very presumptive and high handed undertaking, since the bare essence of it is that the only thing one needs to do to be Christian is to accept Jesus Christ as their own Lord and Savior. That's it. "Judge not, lest ye be judged".

My "beef" is with putting so much stock into a very very late and politically motivated mistranslation of a Holy Book...in this case, the King James Bible, which was the product of a very pissy and violent Scottish King. When you pick nits based upon the words of this translation or that, you are missing the "meat" of the Bible. If you haven't read anything by him yet, I suggest the works of Joseph Campbell. He educated people again to the fact that the original Bible, and any Holy Book really, is mostly metaphor and alot of hidden meanings. Trying to make a case on the "word" is a huge fallacy and misses the spiritual importance of the work almost completely.

Succinctly put, if you ACTUALLY cast your bread upon the waters, it will only get soggy and sink. Get it?

So Daniel you are being lied to and this is the point Irminsul makes, and I agree with him. And Irminsul from past discussions I think your beef is more with the Catholic Church (if I am wrong I apologize) then Christianity as a whole, and I am in total agreement with you. The Catholic Church has done more harm in the name of God then anyone IMO. They are responsible for the corruption and twisted biblical interpretation for gain. I used to be catholic. My eyes were opened when I left the Catholic Church and became a "Christian". Any religion who's doctrine says you have to go through "US" to get to God has way to much power.

No, that's not my position at all. The Catholic institution had its atrocities and so did the Protestants after them. No Church is better or worse than another. Deciding who is and who isnt a Christian is a very presumptive and high handed undertaking, since the bare essence of it is that the only thing one needs to do to be Christian is to accept Jesus Christ as their own Lord and Savior. That's it. "Judge not, lest ye be judged".

My "beef" is with putting so much stock into a very very late and politically motivated mistranslation of a Holy Book...in this case, the King James Bible, which was the product of a very pissy and violent Scottish King. When you pick nits based upon the words of this translation or that, you are missing the "meat" of the Bible. If you haven't read anything by him yet, I suggest the works of Joseph Campbell. He educated people again to the fact that the original Bible, and any Holy Book really, is mostly metaphor and alot of hidden meanings. Trying to make a case on the "word" is a huge fallacy and misses the spiritual importance of the work almost completely.

Succinctly put, if you ACTUALLY cast your bread upon the waters, it will only get soggy and sink. Get it?

Accepting Christ as your Lord and saviour is it. That is all there is. You are correct, and I believe that 100%. I also agree that organized religion usually causes more harm then good and that is why I use the term Christian. A Christian has a personal relationship with God and Jesus Christ with no men, no churches no middle man. The bible and only the bible is our reference. The Catholic church said for years that man was not capable of having that relationship and thus the priests etc were needed to talk to God on there behalf. I used to believe that if I ate meat on Friday during lent that God would strike me down on the spot. I actually would get physically sick if I forgot and eat meat. Little did I know untill later that no where in the bible is there any reference to that tradition.

I am sorry we got off the wrong foot because I see where you are coming from. I got into it with you not because of any particular belief you hold, but because you really seemed to be going out of your way to deceive at the time and were using biblical reference to justify it. To blame the bible or ANY translation of it as the cause of the worlds problems is simply not accurate. To blame stupid men (Bush if you like) and their twisted interpretations then yes. I am in total agreement with you there.

There is one problem I have here though. I don't know if your sources are credible, or have their own agendas. In your last response to me on the other thread when I mentioned Gnostic texts and you replied they were Christians really through me for a loop. Gnostics are NOT Christians, and their teachings are very dangerous and anti Christ. For you to say they are Christians, and to recommend a bunch of Gnostic texts as biblical addendums concerns me. I will check your suggested reading on the King James bible though and do additional further research on the matter and draw my own conclusion. Thank you for the suggested reading though.

That is why I was harsher with then I should have been. Until you said you were a pagan in another thread I had you pegged for a Gnostic. My mistake, and I sincerly apologize. I knew you were extreme left wing and that is what made me jump in the thread in the first place.

There is one problem I have here though. I don't know if your sources are credible, or have their own agendas. In your last response to me on the other thread when I mentioned Gnostic texts and you replied they were Christians really through me for a loop. Gnostics are NOT Christians, and their teachings are very dangerous and anti Christ. For you to say they are Christians, and to recommend a bunch of Gnostic texts as biblical addendums concerns me. I will check your suggested reading though and do further research on the matter and thank you for lead.

That is why I was harsher with then I should have been. Until you said you were a pagan in another thread I had you pegged for a Gnostic. My mistake, and I sincerly apologize. I knew you were extreme left wing is what made me jump in the thread in the first place.

The very first Christians included the Gnostics, along with others like the Egyptian Coptics. But I said they were the original Christians because their movement - "Gnosis" (knowledge) predated Christianity and then encompassed Christianity into the "mystery" fold - meaning that there was some God knowledge that was secret, and hidden from some eyes. ..

"Gnostics believe that they have secret knowledge about God, humanity and the rest of the universe of which the general population was unaware. It became one of the three main belief systems within 1st century Christianity, and was noted for four factors by which differed from the two other branches of Christianity"

http://www.religioustolerance.org/gnostic.htm

I have done alot of investigation into Gnosticism and I fervently disagree that it is anti-Christian at all. It is in fact the most Christian of disciplines because it goes right to the heart of Christ-mind principles that are almost lost today. Face it. The political/cultural "Christianity" you see today is so far removed from original Christian ideas that its almost a completely different religion. This is why I rail against using any more modern translation of the Bible as as arguing point for substantiating Christianity or even Judaism. These translations are late, they are inaccurate in all sorts of ways, and they are shot through with cultural and political agendae. The Gnostics didn't live or die by they "word" - no, they demanded training in the Mysteries (also check out The Essenes) and the experience of the Christ mind. Putting too much emphasis on the word by word scripture was the beginning of the end of real Christianity, IMO. Words are written by men, and men have agendas and schemes.

Even though I am a Pagan, I have great respect for REAL Christianity. It has much to offer even a person such as myself. But I do not confuse that real christianity with the creature we see today that actually pulls people apart, creates divisions and strife, and calls anything that disagrees with it "evil" or wrong somehow.

There is one problem I have here though. I don't know if your sources are credible, or have their own agendas. In your last response to me on the other thread when I mentioned Gnostic texts and you replied they were Christians really through me for a loop. Gnostics are NOT Christians, and their teachings are very dangerous and anti Christ. For you to say they are Christians, and to recommend a bunch of Gnostic texts as biblical addendums concerns me. I will check your suggested reading though and do further research on the matter and thank you for lead.

That is why I was harsher with then I should have been. Until you said you were a pagan in another thread I had you pegged for a Gnostic. My mistake, and I sincerly apologize. I knew you were extreme left wing is what made me jump in the thread in the first place.

The very first Christians included the Gnostics, along with others like the Egyptian Coptics. But I said they were the original Christians because their movement - "Gnosis" (knowledge) predated Christianity and then encompassed Christianity into the "mystery" fold - meaning that there was some God knowledge that was secret, and hidden from some eyes. ..

"Gnostics believe that they have secret knowledge about God, humanity and the rest of the universe of which the general population was unaware. It became one of the three main belief systems within 1st century Christianity, and was noted for four factors by which differed from the two other branches of Christianity"

http://www.religioustolerance.org/gnostic.htm

I have done alot of investigation into Gnosticism and I fervently disagree that it is anti-Christian at all. It is in fact the most Christian of disciplines because it goes right to the heart of Christ-mind principles that are almost lost today. Face it. The political/cultural "Christianity" you see today is so far removed from original Christian ideas that its almost a completely different religion. This is why I rail against using any more modern translation of the Bible as as arguing point for substantiating Christianity or even Judaism. These translations are late, they are inaccurate in all sorts of ways, and they are shot through with cultural and political agendae. The Gnostics didn't live or die by they "word" - no, they demanded training in the Mysteries (also check out The Essenes) and the experience of the Christ mind. Putting too much emphasis on the word by word scripture was the beginning of the end of real Christianity, IMO. Words are written by men, and men have agendas and schemes.

Even though I am a Pagan, I have great respect for REAL Christianity. It has much to offer even a person such as myself. But I do not confuse that real christianity with the creature we see today that actually pulls people apart, creates divisions and strife, and calls anything that disagrees with it "evil" or wrong somehow.

I agree with the last sentence in your last paragraph and I am guilty in my earlier conversations with you and thus apologized. That is also why I jumped on TrueCalling for "rebuking" myself and Daniel. Daniel IMO is a little off base, but does not need to be "rebuked". That alienates people. I don't care for that approach either.

I have done extensive research on Gnostism and we are at serious odds there. Me being a Christian by definition simply can't buy any portion of it. You being pagan, have a different view. Who is right? It depends where your faith is placed. I believe I am because I believe the word of God (the bible) to be infalable. For me to force my belief on you as fact just because I believe it to be so is unfair and not right. Still I look at Gnostism as sneaky way of undermining Christianity from the inside. Like not everyone got the same story. Sorry, I just don't buy it.

Another thing I have noticed in speaking with you. You keep going to the translations of the bible. It is a fact the bible is the most accurately translated text ever. Where are you getting all these improper translations? I have studied multiple translations of the bible and though the wording may be a little different, the message is the same. The pastor at my Church (who is my brother in law and has masters in theology) will use several different versions for hyper accuracy. Still giving the benefit of the doubt of mis interpretation into consideration, the Tao Te Ching, the Art of War, and the I Ching are 100s of times less accurate, however I never hear anyone attack those. The Tao Te Ching is the second most translated book besides the bible. I site these references because I am very familiar with them. I am trained in Tai Chi so I am quite familair with those texts and there teachings. I have a little background in Zen as well.

Let me say this. I used to be just like you. I thought the same way, and held the same beliefs however I was a Taoist. I actually became a Christian by accident. Once I started to really study the bible I find the bible taken literally as infallable. There is no grey area unless I create it, and all the answers are there straight and to the point. But that's me.

For one thing I didn't write those things you are quoting me on. I have never been catholic lol. I was born in Mississippi and was raised Methodist lol. Then I was pagan now i'm just christian no denomination lol. It seems that true calling has found a way to manipulate what I have said.

I haven't made that many posts on here lol. they whole thing about Irminsul being against the catholic church I never said lol. You guy's should no me better then that lol. I did say the part about the missionary position. I have read the bible and I know it's in there. LIke I said i'll have to find it I just gotta find the time

Ever since Eli has been born I haven't had as much time as I would like to have lol. Anyway like I said alot of the stuff you guy's are supposedly quoting me on I never said lol.

it's cool though like I always say sh*t happens lol. Well anyway i'm going to go need to change his diaper. Later!

For one thing I didn't write those things you are quoting me on. I have never been catholic lol. I was born in Mississippi and was raised Methodist lol. Then I was pagan now i'm just christian no denomination lol. It seems that true calling has found a way to manipulate what I have said.

I haven't made that many posts on here lol. they whole thing about Irminsul being against the catholic church I never said lol. You guy's should no me better then that lol. I did say the part about the missionary position. I have read the bible and I know it's in there. LIke I said i'll have to find it I just gotta find the time

Ever since Eli has been born I haven't had as much time as I would like to have lol. Anyway like I said alot of the stuff you guy's are supposedly quoting me on I never said lol.

it's cool though like I always say sh*t happens lol. Well anyway i'm going to go need to change his diaper. Later!

Hey welcome back!

How is the new little one? I hope happy and healthy. I bet your not getting much sleep. I remember those days. Oh man.

No that wasn't directed at you. Irminsul and I have been having a discussion and I quoted one of his posts (Irminsul) but it had a part of one of your posts in it.

I didn't understand what was going on there for a second lol. I haven't found that scripture yet so I will say that I was wrong in what I said but I did find something interesting in it's place. This goes to Irminsul. I found this while looking for the scripture. it basically explains sex in the bible. It's pretty good. They give the scriptures so you can look them up for yourself.

Anyway here is the site http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/sex/long.htm

I know it's a skeptics site but it's still very interesting. It goes into what me and Irminsul were talking about especially the life of David lol. He was a horn dog lol.

Anyway I got the baby monitor in here now so I should be good lol. Sleep is ok he's really not that loud. He only gets loud when he is hungry thas about it lol. Hates to have his diaper changed but he'll get over that lol. Later!