General Music Chat

I see as usual some of you can't connect the dots. Thou shall not kill.

I know what I have been trying to say is that war as is not and undertaking to be taken lightly. Once it is decided to commit to war, there is no in between. Our country has been involved in way to many conflicts under the guise of political help.

War is not about glory and honor and valor. Not creating a war is not ,,,something to be undertaken lightly. Not creating a war may take more honor and valor. Tell that to all the psychopaths that start wars without that thought.

I was always taught to never start a fight..... walk away, negotiate, whatever is needed....
But,,,, Never ever ever fight unless you use every option available to WIN.

I'm glad you 2 guys have such high ideals , don't preach to the choir, you better have a complete understanding that there are people in this world that would rather see your babies and family and you DEAD.

Think I'm kidding,,, Did you see the black panther member screaming about killing "CRACKERS" and "CRACKER BABIES" ?????

LOL

Thou Shalt Not Kill ??

That is the commandment from the God whom instructed the Israelite army to kill man women children and animals. Leave no stone unturned.

It has nothing to do with war or self defense.

War is a grossly evil and vulgar activity. It contains no glory only horror.

The wasting of human life for the profit of world bank is not war.
It is wholesale murder.
There is a difference.

[

This is easy to say, until you are faced with an 11 year old kid firing an AK47 at you. It's happening all over the world.

It happened to a former student of mine, in Iraq.

It happened to a friend of mine, in Viet Nam.

Our own FBI said it happened to them at Ruby Ridge...of course, the situation was a bit different, there...

You know Philbydude mentioning Ruby Ridge as an example to bolster a morally deprived point of view is not only false but outright irresponsible and unconscionable.

Sammy Weaver the boy whom you alleging was wielding an AK47 was shot dead not be the FBI but by a ATF deputy marshal even before he had grown enough to learn about life and there was no AK47 involved at all, with him the life of his dog and mother were cut short as well, the mother was shot by a sniper while standing in front of her house.

Randy Weaver the father of the killed boy was arrested and charged for the death of one of the deputy marshal, after a trail he was found innocent of the murder charges although he was convicted for other minor charges.

The Senate Judiciary committee later convened to investigate the Ruby Ridge incident, at the end of the inquiry the committee placed the responsibility of the murders on the ATF and the FBI which intervened days later the shooting of the boy.
Randy Weaver was awarded &5 million and official apologies were issued by the US government to Randy Weaver for the loss of his wife, son and dog.

Shame on you for slandering the reputation of an innocent young man whose life was taken by a bunch of incompetent yahoo killers masqueraded as law enforcement agents.

What did we learn at Kent State?

Don't throw rocks at men with guns.

So much injustice.

Still waiting for those damn Romans to give my Black Forrest back.


Yer all invited to the party when they do.

I see as usual some of you can't connect the dots. Thou shall not kill.

I know what I have been trying to say is that war as is not and undertaking to be taken lightly. Once it is decided to commit to war, there is no in between. Our country has been involved in way to many conflicts under the guise of political help.

War is not about glory and honor and valor. Not creating a war is not ,,,something to be undertaken lightly. Not creating a war may take more honor and valor. Tell that to all the psychopaths that start wars without that thought.

I was always taught to never start a fight..... walk away, negotiate, whatever is needed....
But,,,, Never ever ever fight unless you use every option available to WIN.

I'm glad you 2 guys have such high ideals , don't preach to the choir, you better have a complete understanding that there are people in this world that would rather see your babies and family and you DEAD.

Think I'm kidding,,, Did you see the black panther member screaming about killing "CRACKERS" and "CRACKER BABIES" ?????

It’s not just us 2 guys who have ideals those are the ideals of our armed forces as well a code of honor imbedded in the fighting culture of every branch of our military, when the Marines advertise for new recruits they don’t say we’re looking for few baby killers.

Winning and honor are not mutually exclusive; the USA has been winning with honor in most of the conflict involved when war crime were committed our sense of honor compelled us to do justice as it was the case of Mi-Lay (spelling?) in Vietnam amongst others.

War it’s not just about killing and winning at any cost, war is about disputes between right and wrong the killing is a by-product of that dispute, no country with a small vestige of decency wants to have a victory parade marching and the dead coupes of children.

Those who cite scriptures to justify their blood lust not only make a mockery of their believes, they also bring shame to themselves their religion and the country they were born in.

Religious books are not to be used like a car manuals unless you are a blind fanatic like a Taliban or one of those fools who blow themselves up because they claim their scripture tell them to do so.

I guess America has its own home grown brand of Taliban, the difference is that Talibans abroad are viewed as heroes by some while in the civilized democracies this kind of believers and fanatics should and are condemned.

I think you are confusing those whom would ruthlessly conduct war suddenly in order to spare lives and return to peace.
With those who manipulate "war like activity" for a constant flow of income.

There is nothing noble in prolonging war indefinitely and intentionally to continue to reap the huge profits.
That's all a "police action" is. The fact that it fits so neatly into the delusional idea that war can be conducted "neatly" or "humanely" is a great selling point.
There is only one rule in war ... WIN

Nav...I can see that sarcasm is wasted on you.

Yeah, it WAS the ATF, & not the FBI...it was early & I've been missing a lot of sleep. I'm well aware of what happened there, & have delved into it pretty deeply. I know it was a truly shameful bit of US history, & I also don't believe I've slandered anyone, if you actually read the words I typed.

The point remains...evil ppl are putting guns in the hands of the very young, & a soldier or a cop must protect himself in order to do his job for god & country. It is in no way a morally deprived way of looking at things, when it comes to "kill or be killed." Wartime situations, rioting situations, these call for a different set of rules than normal polite society, bub. If you can't see that, I can only hope & pray you never find yourself in one of those situations, cuz you won't survive...& survival is a must, if you intend to do good at all in your lifetime, man.

Sansouheil wrote:
I think you are confusing those whom would ruthlessly conduct war suddenly in order to spare lives and return to peace.

Yeah I am confused here, I’m not sure what kind of war you are referring to, the wars I’m talking about are the US wars and those so far average around 10 years in duration.

Sansouheil wrote:
With those who manipulate "war like activity" for a constant flow of income. There is nothing noble in prolonging war indefinitely and intentionally to continue to reap the huge profits.

I believe on this point we’re in agreement, I was the first one on this very thread to condemn war profiteering by the merchants of death, these people are not acting in the best interest of our nation, but in their interests, that is why replying to Bob’s initial post I said that America has been always at war and will be always at war for as long as the merchant of death have it their way.

I’d like to amend my statement, America is not at war our military and defense contractors are at war.

Sansouheil wrote:
That's all a "police action" is. The fact that it fits so neatly into the delusional idea that war can be conducted "neatly" or "humanely" is a great selling point.


Collateral damage as they call it is inevitable heck even our own GI’s or our allies get killed by friendly fire at time, if a war gets dirty due to collateral damage there’s nothing anybody can do about it.
What I’m objecting based on what you and Slacker wrote is advocating the killing of women and children as part of a military strategy according to your scripture, first of all there is no strategic advantage in killing children unless genocide is the intent anyway whatever the intent is not to be condoned.



Sansouheil wrote:
There is only one rule in war ... WIN



Not at the cost of innocent blood, your unconditional quest for victory dishonors you, the army that you’re in and the country you are fighting for.

There is no concern for innocent blood. Are you joking?
People are plotting to kill you right NOW and you want to stick your head in the sand,,,, you know what is left sticking up in the air?

Never ever ever start a ten year war. America has to learn that our military is trained to kill. Need a COP, call 911.

Put our troops on the Mexican border with strict orders to kill only,,,,
want to see a major change in attitude from gun runners drug runners alien smugglers and all the riff raff creating chaos on AMERICAN SOIL.

HA HA HA!

Nav...I can see that sarcasm is wasted on you.

Yeah, it WAS the ATF, & not the FBI...it was early & I've been missing a lot of sleep. I'm well aware of what happened there, & have delved into it pretty deeply. I know it was a truly shameful bit of US history, & I also don't believe I've slandered anyone, if you actually read the words I typed.

The point remains...evil ppl are putting guns in the hands of the very young, & a soldier or a cop must protect himself in order to do his job for god & country. It is in no way a morally deprived way of looking at things, when it comes to "kill or be killed." Wartime situations, rioting situations, these call for a different set of rules than normal polite society, bub. If you can't see that, I can only hope & pray you never find yourself in one of those situations, cuz you won't survive...& survival is a must, if you intend to do good at all in your lifetime, man.

Perhaps I missed your sarcasm and because of that I felt the need to correct and condemn you, your post gives the impression that Sammy Weaver had an AK47 and he was ready for a shootout with the ATF when the reality was that Sammy Weaver heard his dog barking upon investigating he got shot along his dog by the ATF deputy marshal.


I too hope and pray that I will never face a situation where I have to choose between my life and that of a child but if it comes to that I’d turn around and walk away before I shoot a child, I’m as patriotic as anyone but I will not allow my patriotism to make me a child killer, if the people who sent me to war demand that I kill children than I’m not on the right side of the issue.

Call me a delusional idealist if you like I don’t care it’s the only way of thinking that allows me to be at peace with my conscience when it comes to use deadly force.

Well.
I think that anyone holding a weapon and using it for anger purposes should be vaporized. Perhaps it could melt hands? I think it would totally f**k great for the environment too!
Mothership comes.

I'm the Chipfryer by the way. Nice to meet you

No worries, Nav. I figgered that was what happened...& yes, in some ways, I think you are a delusional idealist, but perhaps that's just cuz I don't know you well enough, or I'm missing something in the printed word.

But...ppl say the same thing about me, too. Imagine that!

I see things a little different.
No man is innocent.
War is hell.

Yeah I am confused here, I’m not sure what kind of war you are referring to, the wars I’m talking about are the US wars and those so far average around 10 years in duration.


I don't believe you know the concept that is war as I do.
But then, we are different men are we not.

You will not find it applied universally in any war. Only by individuals whom are warriors.

Not even Aaron carried out Jehovah's commands fully.
Ever read about the fall of Jericho?

Difficult through the shadows of time to say whom came closest.

Lao Tzu perhaps? Alexander the Great? Genghis Khan?
King Xerxes ( spelling ?)

It is just a concept.
As peace is just a concept that will not be realized until Christ returns to banish Satan.

Thou shalt not kill unless thou has a reaaallllyyy good reason.

Then it's on like donkey kong.

No kills yet here on the fuselage of my P-38, but we're waiting for the green light.. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRLk9b9AcY

"I'm still in glide mode"