General Music Chat

the same international banking cartel finances BOTH sides of EVERY war!
yeah NOTHIN makes money like war...

Yes the same ones that control the monies of nearly every nation on earth...
keep fighting amongst ourselves and we're weak and ignorant!



"ya gotta keep em separated"

Damn, you guys really are making me think about this cruel rock we live on.

Now as far as this country goes, it's obvious to me that the politicians are using our troops like disposable army ants. Where the hell are all the programs for when these guys get back home? sh*t, even my grandfather hates talking about the war still, cause he gets nightmares. My uncle(Gpa's bro) drank himself to death after the war. Obama is too arrogant and unaccessible to be told where the money needs to go. He would rather give money to Brazil then fund our troops for their well being. Our soldiers deserve to live in luxury here, especially war veterans. Thanks to 1969 and the f**k ing summer of love you can still see Vietnam vets living on the streets of San Fran. Those acid laced f**k bags did a lot more damage than just spitting on those guys when they got home.

Nobody gets patriotism until it hits them...911 being an example. About a month of American flag shirts and then the whole thing is forgotten. It's more than low attention span...it's just lack of heart and selfishness in our society as a whole.

If everyone gave a damn about what was really going on behind the drapes political views would change. I don't think political parties would be treating each other like they were on different teams. But television is enough for most. Just believe what you're told, text all damn day long, and have a Limewire party and life is dandy.

DON'T know what got into me...just some senseless ranting. Believe me, I read a lot of what you guys talk about on here concerning issues like this and soak it in. Often I look for more answers, but can't find any. The limitations on current events is saddening. It's like you have to look for all these buried treasures when they should be right in front of your face. Carry on fellas.

LOL
As long as your not killing your own troops it ain't no mistake.

War is for killing.
No one is exempt.

Those acid laced f**k bags did a lot more damage than just spitting on those guys when they got home.

that is a myth; exposed as propaganda released by the State Department!

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As long as your not killing your own troops it ain't no mistake.

War is for killing.
No one is exempt.

Killing breeds killing, whether it's war between nations, war between rival gangs, war between families, etc. When somebody is killed there's often times reprisals. How about the decades of killing between Protestants and Catholics in N. Ireland? How about the Hatfields and McCoys? How about the Rwanda genocide that had been brewing for centuries? We can have ENDLESS conversations about conspiracies and who's to blame. Homo sapiens are to blame. WE have been killing each other ever since the first food fight where one of our remote ancestors killed another. Joseph Stalin said it best when asked why millions of people died in the collectivization and industrialization of the Soviet Union. He said "No people, no problem." That's what war is. No people, no problem.

Bob I'm with you 100%. War is war and it's hell. People get killed. That is what it's all about. We haven't fought a war to win since WWll. There we went to war and finished it. Korea, we went to (police action) war and never finished it. Viet Nam we never finished etc. etc. In Afganistan we get a general that can fight but the politicians replaced him. We will not win there unless we go in to finish it.

Most people (not all) have never been to war so all they do is sit home and talk about what should or should not be. That is their right. THIS RIGHT WAS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR by the service men and women and veterans. If it were not for the troops and vets these people would be speaking Japanese, Chinese or Russian.

We are getting our troops killed & maimed because the politicians don't have the balls to stand up for what is right. Trying to make everyone happy is totally impossible no matter what you are trying to do. Go in full force, get it done and get out. Yeah I'm a vet. WWll and Korea both

Sorry about the rant, for my first post. I got on here to find out what's going on in the music world and I saw this post and couldn't keep my nose out of it.

On a better note, someone posted about not getting any benefits from belonging to Bandmix. Kinda wondered about it myself, but I just got the new lead player that I needed after reorganizing my band, so I have to say that Bandmix worked for me.....

Dewey

I hate to say it, & it's bound to create stress & discord & outright anger & rage for a lot of ppl, but for me, this is a sad truth -

When we WASTE American military lives on senseless police-actions, it's very hard to feel pride in their sacrifices. It just seems senseless & shameful & stupid.

Why would any enlightened ppl send off their own to accomplish nothing at the cost of their lives?

Where's the glory? Where's the good? Where is the meaning for those deaths?

We've spent thousands of lives for either a total loss of face (Viet Nam), or a global stalemate (everything else we've done militarily since WWII, except maybe Granada...LOL).

Are you REALLY supposed to be 'proud to be a Marine,' or any other serviceman, while knowing, if you are called into action, that you will be politically prevented from winning that action, kept from solving anything, in the end?

Yeah, there's a reason we don't speak German or Japanese or Italian (we were NEVER in danger of speaking Korean or Viet Namese)...so why do we speak Spanish? We worked with others to achieve truly admirable goals against a very real evil, back then.

WE haven't unilaterally won anything in over a century, in any war (even Granada was a mere battle, at best). Our pride seems a bit misplaced to me. Not only do we waste our own, but we waste the lives of foreigners as well, & all for no true change whatsoever.

War is bad, & rarely necessary. Police actions are a waste of humanity, & never make us the good guys in the eyes of the world.

And I'm not ashamed to say it - world opinion means something to me. We are not the be-all & end-all of humanity, any more than we are the pinnacle of morality or justice or christianity or even freedom. The sooner we step outside ourselves & accept that, the sooner we'll be a ppl to be proud of.

In over two hundred years of history, we had never been the ones to instigate war...now look at us. Not only did we start a war, we turned it into a police action, once again. We won nothing, & lost much, & feel guilty about it to the point that we're rebuilding the country we invaded, in a useless effort to appear to be the good guys. That's how it looks, to many.

It just sickens me...

It's just a little thing called pride in your country. When you enter the military you swear to defend and protect your country. When someone is trying to wipe out your country and or your way of life you should want to defend her against any and all comers even though you may know that you have idiots at home like the present and yes past administrations, that do not and do not want to know how to run a military operation.
At the present time the Taliban are sworn to eradicate us in any way they can and anywhere they can. I would rather fight them over there than over here. In one way I agree with bringing our troops home as fast as we can in order to keep from losing any more do to the ignorance of the people running this country on how to fight a war. It would be a shame that our troops who have died up to this point would be sacrificed for nothing and the war would be lost. I'm afraid that it already is lost on the path that we have been taking.

Coming up under the wrong Dewey again...........

I share your sentiment Dewey but you give them too much credit.
There is no ignorance involved in the way the administrations past and present are conducting war.
Very intentionally to not win. But to prolong the expenditure of assets for the world bank whom finance both sides.

It is not ignorance.

It is evil by intent.

Truman, Ike, JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, GWB, Obama...major military actions under each & every one of them, & how many can we say we 'won?'

Nary a one. Not a 'win' in 11 administrations, ppl!

Is it time to stop? Or is it time to actually go to war?

That little thing called 'pride in one's country' is fine & dandy, as long as there are things to be proud of, & there is much about us that does puff up my chest a bit. But our war-time action is NOT among those things in which I can find pride, & I feel sorry for our troops.

I DO want to defend against any & all comers against us. WHY DOESN'T MY GOV'T?

Either sh*t or get off the pot, either way will solve the useless waste of American & other lives. Until we actually DO something to make things better in a military fashion, we need to stop using our military, cuz it hasn't solved a thing in 65 years, & the mistakes have built up quite far enough, thank you very much! I'd say that 65 years of FAILURE is nothing to be proud of, myself...but that's just how I see it, & I don't think that that is a particularly un-American attitude.*



*Disclaimer: I'm NOT saying that the overall FAILURE of our military is in any way the result of any inabilities in our fighting men & women. Nay, it is the result of our nation's "leaders" who either cannot use them efficiently, or cannot understand the very concept of war. However, the end result remains the same, in that our military has been the least effective, the least successful tool in our gov't for 65 years.

[quote="dewey"]It's just a little thing called pride in your country. When you enter the military you swear to defend and protect your country.
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Protect and defend your country against foreign and domestic enemies, at least that's the oath here in the USA. At the present here in the USA IMO we have more enemies than abroad

I don’t know where you’ve read that the Talibans want to invade the USA this is the kind of rhetoric that makes anyone making this claim look uniformed, Afghanistan a third world landlocked country with no standing Army air force or navy invading America? Come on dude you can't possibly be afraid of these guys coming over here.

Remember we went to Afghanistan because that's where Bin Laden was not to fight Talibans but as usual those screwballs at the Pentagon never pass an opportunity to waste American lives and treasures, same thing happened in Somalia the US was part of a multination humanitarian force with the mission to deliver food medicine and what not to refugee cxamps we the US forces alone turned a humanitarian mission into a shooting one, remember Black hawk down?

Our troops have died in vane and unfortunately is not going to be over anytime soon not until the war profiteers have filled their coffers to the brim before moving on to the next country to bomb, till then we’ll be seeing more 2 million dollars missile being fired at &25 worth Afghans mud huts while the merchants of death here will crank up production to keep up with the demand.

This is blood money folks and unfortunately we’ve exported this kind of capitalism elsewhere see BP deal to free a Libyan terrorist who killed 270 American lives by placing a bomb on a plane being freed by the Brits to get the rights to drill for oil off Libyan coastline.

During the Bush administration some British newspaper ran a poll asking “which country poses a major threat to world peace” the answer was Israel and the USA.

That’s how low we’ve sunk in the eyes of a world that has identified the USA for generations a land of freedom, democracy, law and fairness, at one time our Embassies around the world were seen as islands of freedom that gave inspiration and hope to oppressed people now they look like WW2 German bunkers sinister, foreboding, cold, hostile.

I apologize for my cynicism but not for my opinions cause it hurts to see what has become of my country, I was able to travel all over the world with pride of an American, now when I travel I have to hide my nationality and this pisses me off to no end.

Hey don't apologize, this is how people get both better informed and the opportunity to grow intellectually. Exactly what the powers that be try to avoid us doing. Remember they thrive on the ole divide and conquer strategy; keep em ignorant and preoccupied with each other....

Just hold up something shiny on the left and they won't even notice the right!

No they are not the least bit stupid or misdirected in their methods of waging war. Hell they are the fire keepers for the international banking cartel and they do a bang up job.



"ya gotta keep em separated"



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Truman, Ike, JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, GWB, Obama...major military actions under each & every one of them.
Philby, Truman had the balls to drop NUKES. Ike,Jfk ,Johnson and Nixon got caught up in thinking WAR was POLITICAL. You forgot Ford,,, and Carter,,,,They were our peaceful presidents. THEN COMES REAGAN, I know you hate him BUT....[not going into economics] BOLSTERED American military power to the point of SOVIET COLLAPSE.
In steps bush sr. LETS TEST THIS MILITARY POWER ON IRAQ and get them out of Kuwait. What was it 3 or 4 days and another week to capture and or kill hussein.... Oh No ,Lets just bow down to world political pressure.
Clinton, and I'm just making fun of this, just lob a few missles and maybe we'll get him. osamas response,,,, 9/11. At least Bill had the balls to LOB a few missles. He also had the balls to ruin a few dresses.
bush jr go back and kiss your daddy, you just went back to the political thinking of the 60s
That brings us up to the present. The FBI now has the right to seize this post and use it against me without any lawful warrant isued by a judge. this is a tiny part of the freedoms that are being threatened by the present administration , obamas administration.
Don't be shocked if he doesn't get his way and attempts to use american military power against AMERICANS.

Nav4c I dont give a damn what every other screaming lying other country in the world thinks about us, Just like I don't care if my neighbor hears me screwing my wife out doors in the middle of the day. Sorry if you are so sensitive to world polls.

This is the only way wars are fought.! A guy punches you down. do you
a) get up and punch him back.
b) pull out your 38 and shoot him in the foot,[dont hurt him too much]
c) take careful aim and blow his brains out so he doesn't get another chance to hit you.

Meanwhile world opinion condemns Israel for stopping shipping to Palestine,,,, and world opinion has nothing to say about hammas lobbing missiles into civilian populations KILLING women and babies. Welcome to war. Welcome to how twisted our world really is.

Honour our troops,,, Be wary of who is leading them, and always maintain control.

As I recall, Truman got us into Korea. He did indeed drop the only nukes against an opponent in world history, I'll give you that, but he had little to do with the second world war, overall. He bowed to his advisors on that one & only completely inhumane & probably unnecessary tactical decision, AND we were not working unilaterally in that war. Truman got us into the Korean conflict without a war declaration. HE was the 1st to establish the "police action," that all of his followers have instituted rather than to actually FIGHT a war.

I left out Ford on purpose, as his was never an actual administration, imho. He was merely an interim leader until elections could replace the Rep party.

I included Carter & his failed attempts at using the military.

Reagan used BLUFF more than anything else to help bring down the soviets, with his dreaming up of the SDI 'Star Wars' technology (which didn't even exist) that he threatened the world with, in his very diplomatic fashion. But have you forgotten the Iran/Contra affair? Pure Reagan duplicity at work, with a LOT of help from his successor, and which returned to bite us all in the ass in later years.

Bush, Sr. backed Kuwait against the country that Kuwait was STEALING oil from, & then dropped the whole war process before finishing the job. No 'victory' there, except for the Kuwaitis.

I also left out how many of these presidents backed foreign leaders who eventually turned against us, often with the very same weaponry & training that WE supplied them with, but I was speaking of the inefficiency of the military in the hands of our leaders more than the other failed policies of those same leaders.

I respect & honor our troops. I just think it's a damned shame how they are misused, abused, & left out in the cold by our leaders, all while making them fight for NO SUCCESS.

I like the way God fights wars. When he sent Israel to war He told them not to to leave anything alive. Men, women, children, animals or livestock. You have to wonder how many hostile nations saw the retaliation against those that attacked Israel and seriously thought twice about ever attacking them.

If we fought the British like these moronic politicians tell our troops to fight our enemies today we would all still be singing "Hail to the king".