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#115740 by Slacker G
Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:34 pm
gtZip wrote:Lay off the bourbon, Slack. It robs us of your usual cheeryness.

My phone accidentally clicked on one of your youtube links.
...Dam you, you're too good.


I was only taking the long route to make the same point that I did in another thread a while back about the same thing. The first point being, you can keep changing the words and you will have to because others will spring up to mean the same thing. The second point being that you can not legislate morality. What good is changing words when it does nothing to change the person using them?

Happy you liked the you tubes. And I do wish I had some good bourbon. It is that PC really gets under my skin.

You are right. I shouldn't let forced morality speech that does nothing to change morality, but rather covers immorality like a pretend band aid get under my skin. Perhaps that is why I took so long to respond on this same topic again. I WAS concerned that my response the last time around may have caused hard feelings, however, I feel the one involved in the previous thread has shown he is and was above that. Have I made it confusing enough now? :) :)

#115743 by KLUGMO
Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:14 pm
Thank you LA FOR RESPONDING. If you look closer you will see that I ask Not say. ??? It is not my contention that it is callous towards another race. Again I asked the question. It seems in some circles that the insult
is redirected to blacks in its interpretation. This would be news to me. It may be a situation like "bad" meaning "good" in todays youth. Dr. Bob may of had to make some content to fulfill an obligation of text. He may of made it up.

The biggest single threat to our society in my opinion would be a
lack of morals. Greed is rampant at the cost of us all and most don't even realize the cost they are paying for others greed.
Health care, health from polution, taxes, others here could elaborate on that better than I.

If you look again you will see that I call myself White Trash in signing off.
For me personally it is a nonissue but wanted to know how others felt
and you helped me with that, Thank you.

#115744 by jimmydanger
Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:14 pm
You might be white trash if....

* you have a still or meth lab located on your property. Bonus WT points if you have it secretly located on your neighbor's property.

* you own more cars that don't run than do run. Bonus WT points if any of them have no engine or sit on cinder blocks.

* you're a female and you have three or more children from different fathers. Similarly if you're male, if you have three or more children by different mothers.

* you haven't paid income taxes in the last five years.

* you have less than half of the number of teeth you should have. Bonus WT points if you pulled most of them yourself.

#115745 by KLUGMO
Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:42 pm
I think this topic was hard for some to respond to. It sat for a while
before a response came. sans of course. The original idea was due to Kruliosis calling someone White Trash on another topic. It seemed so evil and angry the way he wrote it. My interest was immediatly peeked. So I wanted to know if this was something many or few used often or rarely.
Looks like most have used it rarely.

#115748 by Prevost82
Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:41 pm
jimmydanger wrote:You might be white trash if....

* you have a still or meth lab located on your property. Bonus WT points if you have it secretly located on your neighbor's property.

* you own more cars that don't run than do run. Bonus WT points if any of them have no engine or sit on cinder blocks.

* you're a female and you have three or more children from different fathers. Similarly if you're male, if you have three or more children by different mothers.

* you haven't paid income taxes in the last five years.

* you have less than half of the number of teeth you should have. Bonus WT points if you pulled most of them yourself.


That's funny Jimmy .... :lol:

#115750 by Slacker G
Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:29 pm
KLUGMO wrote:I think this topic was hard for some to respond to. It sat for a while
before a response came. sans of course. The original idea was due to Kruliosis calling someone White Trash on another topic. It seemed so evil and angry the way he wrote it. My interest was immediatly peeked. So I wanted to know if this was something many or few used often or rarely.
Looks like most have used it rarely.


But didn't we just cover this topic rather in depth in a thread by Kruliosis a month or so ago when a band refused to hire him because he was part Indian? As far as I can tell, no new viewpoints, not a new premise. Just a rehash of the previous topic that ran its course.

Not to be offensive, but I am sure that is why others didn't respond right away, and that is why I didn't respond until later. Or am I missing something?

You know how we "gramps" are. Oh yeah. What did I just type about ...... what?........I said that?? .... When?????.... Just now?? ...... Oh........ OK

#115753 by jimmydanger
Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:54 pm
Time for your cod liver oil and nap. Dinner will be at 4:30pm, with bingo and scrapbooking afterwards. Lights out at 8pm.

#115754 by gtZip
Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:04 pm
I guess I missed the other thread.
Words are symbols that convey certain meanings.
The intent of projecting the meaning, and the acceptance and absobtion of the meaning are two things that must exist to give a symbol any meaning.

:wink:

#115755 by Krul
Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:07 pm
Well, now that I see the topic, I'll answer it. Klug, First off, don't use me for selective exposure...you've used it sometime in your life(white trash)...even if you forgot about it by now.

This is JUST my opinion, and not even a justification for using the term, but, the only time I've ever really used it had to do with people into the white power movement. I don't care if those people hate all day, it's just bothersome when they cause trouble for the most part. It has nothing to do with poverty. Actually, if you get more in depth about it, that movement is all about money. Read something like American Swastika: Inside the White Power Movements Hidden Spaces of Hate by Pete Simi and Robert Futrell.

I have a background pertaining to the violence in the Hardcore scene with those guys and my friends. When I saw that article posted on here, I saw their propaganda.

As far as the band thing, well, I got a little excited over a vocalist that asked if I was white, and that it was very important because he wanted to make sure I wasn't some lazy punk(non-white).

I'm not going to re-hash this sh*t again. I've said enough. If you weren't a regular I would view this topic as trolling.

#115760 by Slacker G
Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:28 pm
jimmydanger wrote:Time for your cod liver oil and nap. Dinner will be at 4:30pm, with bingo and scrapbooking afterwards. Lights out at 8pm.


OK. Thanks. Got it. Dinner at 8. Bingo at 4:30.

How are you supposed to scrap book cod liver oil? <-- Now I know your pulling my leg.

#115769 by bundydude
Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:48 pm
Slacker G wrote:You can't say nigger, or sand nigger. You can't say white trash. You can't say retarded. You can't say almost anything now these days. But you can still think it. So when are the thought police going to get a handle on that?

How about Himey, wap, spic, honky, chink? Those gone too? But you do a rap using them it's OK. Because it sells. And if you're black you can call each other nigger. Or if you're white you can call each other white trash. I think the people who really have the problem are the PC folks.

You can't legislate morality, and you can't strike descriptive words from the language just because some idiot gets offended. (Oh sh*t, I've just offended idiots everywhere!)
Why? Because they will be replaced by other terms someone some where will find offensive and also try to ban.

On the other hand, you can call me anything you want. I don't have little pink squishy feelings that are easily offended. I still have some balls dudes. I have learned to ignore idiots that think name calling is cool. And I think the pus$y's that are offended when they hear something they consider derogatory need to grow up and realize that the ones who really have the problem is the one calling names. And banning words isn't going to change attitude one in their little brains.

But not in this whiny cry baby I'm gunna tell my mommy society.

Yeh. Break out the big guns and fire away. But you know what? People used to call each other all kinds of names when I was a kid. And guess what. We all made it in spite of name calling. And we ignored the idiots doing the name calling or considered them the ones with the problem. Or we just walked over and shut their mouthes for them.

So I'm not going to tell you what I think about Obastard, or what I call him under my breath or what I sometimes call his his Nazi cohorts. And I won't tell you what goes through my mind when I have to deal with some folks. But I'm still gunna think it if and whenever I want to. And when I do, I sure as hell ain't going to feel bad about it. So until the thought police arrest me, f*&k 'em all. I am free to think what I choose, or use any word I want to use. Or I can choose not think some words or hang some "names" as I see fit. But you know what? That is still up to me to decide. And just because some pansy wants to run and hire a lawyer if I offend him, he can go screw himself as far as I'm concerned.

OK. No problem deciding where I stand on this subject, right?:) :)



Nice to see someone who's not afraid to speak their mind. I wanted to but was worried of what might happen...thats sad.

#115771 by gbheil
Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:42 pm
I remember an old skit by George Carlin about the seven words you can't say on TV.
That same skit would comprise a mini series today. :roll:

#115775 by jw123
Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:10 pm
I thought the subject was White Zombie!

I misread it again, duh

You guys have a great day!

#115791 by lalong
Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:24 am
Klugmo, it’s a great discussion BTW. I always hear the term used to describe embarrassment in a member of my own race. When you get down to it, trash works just as well, but the common term is “white trash”. I would just like to say, that I’m not someone who would be inclined to insult people often. I just think that under no uncertain terms, having a list of “bad” words, give them much more gravity then they deserve, as you point out. I see what you mean about the article length and when writing some of it has to have some fluff. Song lyrics are the worse.
“That absolutely doesn’t make any sense at all.”
“Yeah but it’s four minutes long and we need three more versus.” :D
Well Dr Bob can browbeat us all he want’s, it still doesn’t make him an authority on “unacceptable” language and his insecurity about the issue is obvious. Unless I’m miss-interpreting his attempt at advertisement, that could be the case as well.

Political-correctness is a direct cause of our lack of social accountability. In Dr Bobs case it’s his responsibility to police his own social environment, not everyone else’s. He should knock on the lady’s door, give her hell and get on with his life. He’s a big boy now. If someone insults me I don’t make a new decree, some proclamation about the evils of the insult, a new entry into the political-correct handbook. I ignore it, or simply insult them back.

There are laws for just about every miniscule social interaction available to us. The problem with that, is it exchanges legality for morality. If it’s legal, it therefore must also be appropriate, because if it wasn’t, there would have been a law against it. People are no longer required to exercise common sense, or moral decency, because its all written out for them. The problem arises when we have to account for every possible facet of human behavior. From sexual harassment, smoking, drinking, race, sexual orientation, etc. we no longer have to worry about exercising good judgement. If something does comes up that we don’t know how to deal with, just make it taboo. It’s a solution that causes more problems then it avoids. Of course our personal liberties will suffer, but hey that’s a small price to pay for a nice uniformed, polite and safe society.

The people making our laws now are the same folks who were tripping on acid in the sixties. They “know” better and their kids are going to grow up in a nicely padded cell, where all the world is childproofed and the sharp objects hidden from view. I often wonder at what point will it be friggin enough? Vegas looks like Disney land and Bugs Bunny ostracized along with video games to be the world’s next evil. Heaven forbid we actually blame the parents, for their kid’s behavior. Our government treats us like children and rightly so. The more we hand over power to any third party to police our own existence, the less freedom we deserve. Be it from fear of terrorism, financial ruin, lack of medicinal care, social awkwardness, religious and sexual freedom, none of these excuse folks with “good intentions” handing over the keys and washing their hands of the whole messy personal liberty business. Any truly free society requires constant maintenance and as individuals we are no longer up to the task .

Infringements upon the first amendment, regardless of whether it’s supremely offensive or not, poses the increasing risk that it’s far easier to edit the documents of our freedom for conformity, then enforce good judgement in their use. Political-correctness is establishing restrictions, that our government wouldn’t dare to attempt, at least not yet The frustration is caused by the lack or morality and common sense, by rendering those values unnecessary and even the slightest expectation, that we, and we alone, are responsible for our own actions. The answer becomes then, we simply need more laws. Like Dr Bob it’s far easier to tell everyone else what’s appropriate, rather than personally take charge and point out on an individual level, when that threshold has been breached. It’s a disservice to everyone else, who eventually has to give up a small sliver of liberty to carry his burden, it’s a disservice to himself for surrendering that power in the first place and towards the woman for not letting her know what the common expectation may be. Unfortunately society requires actual interaction and that does include confrontation, from time to time. I intensely dislike those with attitudes similar to Dr Bob and I believe attitudes like that, are the epitome of the problem. The less we rely on personal social skills for interaction now, the less we will need them, or more to the point, allowed to use them, in the future. A couple of generations from now, if that far, our children will be complete morons. Government driven drones.

So ok where could something like “white trash” be used in a “good” context? I’m out drinking and a white man is obliterated, staggering in the street screaming obscenities and racial slurs towards the crowd that has gathered around the spectacle. A black man stares in my direction, the connotation is obvious. What’s he thinking right then? I think it’s safe to say it’s probably race related. I could try to diffuse the situation and say something like “Don’t mind him, white trash has opinions too”. Whatever, I’m not incredibly witty.

The point is where does the sympathy lie in that situation. Should I be more worried about treading on the white man’s troubled past? I’m embarrassed “for” the guy, because he’s just too ignorant to be embarrassed for himself. Who knows maybe in his day to day life he’s a doctor, but at that moment the term seems pretty applicable. Ah but that would be pretty “incorrect” of me, because maybe the black man doesn’t sense my intentions and immediately takes it down the road Dr. Bob did? I don’t think so, I would give him more credit than that. If not, I would assume a confrontation was inevitable regardless of any explanation offered and that he’s just as eager to jump on the same wagon, that the drunk white guy is already driving.

Typically such issues would be nicely swept under the rug, like the uncomfortable smile people express when someone farts in the elevator. We all know they giggle when they get around the corner and whisper about it in the office. :D

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