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#11266 by mr_fender210
Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:34 am
I have very good knowledge with applying my scales and modes with everything from rock to classical.... with the exception of BLUEGRASS:-(
If there are any of you skilled blue grass pickers out there, will you please help me out. Let me know some good scales to apply in grass, the most common chord progressions, basically anything that will help me (improv) solo over a good bluegrass song.

Thanks alot,
Jesse
mr_fender210@hotmail.com

#11273 by The KIDD
Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:49 pm
Hey Jesse,

WOW,This is SO WEIRD...The most theory knowledgable picker I know . who plays jazz grass/swing with all the Ab maj7-5 /Ebm9 type chords, is JESSE is OH..... :lol: ....Ive been and melodic/scruggs banjo player 29yrs.
As you have prolly figured out, you wont find that many theory people in BG...BUT, Ill give my experience about BG vrs other genres...My progress on this instrument covering the many forms of BG has been made by using the LEAST amount of theory as possible...Just enough to have a # composition of the chord progressions....THEN ,its letting the original MELODY bring out my improv skills...As you know ,most traditional BG is built around the major and minor ( b3 ,b7) scales...It rarely uses the maj 7as a chord -5 or +5 ...9ths etc..It will almost always be the dominate 7...BG is a very emotionally played music...When Im playin Blackberry Blossom, (a very notey fiddle tune) ,I have a happy bouncey (dotted 8ths) feeling..(all major scale).Playing Hot Burrito breakdown, Im drivin very fast straight 8ths whose melody is very long gated which makes room for alot of hot lick arpeggios and improv using chromatic scales which would SUCK in BB blossom...They would fit somewhat BUT, totally kill the mood /motif of the tune....Yeah , I try to apply my thoery knowledge to BG early on but found it hampered my improv skills and melody comprehention...BG tunes , even simple 1-4-5 traditional tunes are best learned, retained. and improvise on by having a good command of the melody FIRST, and that means knowing which beat each note falls on...THEN , you can really go nuts later with sycopation, chromatic notes, improvising BUT, still keeping the origianl melody somewhat in play...Now the more JAZZ grass ,like what is being played today by the cutting edge players including myself, alllows for alot more improv due to the more abstract chord progresssions...Even in those tunes, I try to comprise the medody first so I have a base to work with...Sounds like you already have enough scale knowledge, NOW , put your EMO /Ear /muscle memory skills to work...LISTEN TO ALOT OF TODAYS BG..It will get "in ya"..It will create moods for you to play in the moment ..Beleive me , it is very rewarding to jam that way...Some people ya might wanna check out are Clay Jones, Aubrie Haney, Scott Vestal, , Bryan Sutton, David Grier, Norman Blake, Jerry Douglass ..These guys cover the most traditional to the jazz/classical stuff thats being played today...Bela' Fleck has gotten alittle TOO "out there" for most BGer's but he's still held in high regard...Ive been teaching banjo 15 yrs, and I see students progress best when they approach this music with basic theory and LOTS of melody/ear training....Checking these cats out will give you a good song list to choose from also letting you know what is being play out at the jams, fests and stage shows....Check out the band "The infamous String Dusters" OMG, these guys inpressed me to no end in Columbus 2 weeks ago...

John

#11274 by The KIDD
Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:57 pm
Jesus.....My spelling is atroshis...I bees not that dumb..Forgive me, my 2 fingers went alittle 2 fast... :roll:

John

#11276 by RhythmMan
Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:40 pm
S"ok, Kidd. We al speel lik tht sumtimes.
:)
. . . think you pretty much covered it.
I don't play Bluegrass (forgive me; got a friend who does), but my first response to this was: "Scales? In Bluegrass?"

#11332 by mr_fender210
Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:52 pm
Thanks alot for the info. Had no clue that scales and modes aren't used in "BG". I put on some Ricky Skaggs earlier, and let loose. It isn't near as easy as I thought it would be. As in a rock solo, I have (for sey) my pentatonic to fall back on. Taking what you told me, and applying it to bluegrass, I had nearly nothing to fall on. I did let me ear do the playing however... and it did work out a little. I sure hope I can get it down pat... I'm plannin on playing some grass in the near future.

Thanks alot,
Jesse

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