General Music Chat

Yeah, I know. Never believe viral emails or what you hear on the Internet. This is from a Musician friend of mine from the old Digitech forum who is presently living in Norway. Is there any truth to it is the question. I do not trust a single thing this gov says or does. Like wanting to raise the oil tax to pay for the clean up. A BIG hike in the tax. That means whatever they stick them for, we pay multiple times for at the pump, while they stuff their pockets with the money.

Here is what I received this morning but as I said, I don't believe a thing I hear from viral emails or Internet posts. By the way, what ever happened to "Fearless Leaders" pledge to build a national police force as large as our military? Too much information..... No one interested in confirming or dispelling it.

While you were watching the oil spill, the New York failed terrorist bombing and other critical crises, Hillary Clinton signed the small arms treaty with the UN.
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> OBAMA FINDS LEGAL WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT
> AND USES IT. IF THIS PASSES, THERE could BE WAR
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> On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a
> Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States
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> On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States . The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our
2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened.
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> Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress.We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment. This
has happened in other countries, past and present!
> THIS IS NOT A JOKE NOR A FALSE WARNING.
> As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control. Read the Article U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. View The Full Article Here
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> Click on the link below for further acknowledgement…..
> http://www.reuters.com/article/politics ... Q920091015

I understand that signing ANY international agreement MUST be approved by the Congress first. I don't think you have to worry about this matter...

and I don't believe that our bill of rights can be circumvented by any treaty, and to sign something that didn't jive with the bill of rights, would sound more like "treason" than a "treaty".

and if by some small miracle, this were true, then my firearms would might themselves missing, I suspect some desperate criminal may have stolen them, I don't know where they are.

I got that in an e-mail about a few weeks ago. Sounds scary, but everything that the Obama administration does is a bunch of under-handed, back-door, lies. Just as the old song on my page says after the first breakdown..."It's time to wake up America...before it's too late!" But who's gonna listen to some metalheads???

and I don't believe that our bill of rights can be circumvented by any treaty, and to sign something that didn't jive with the bill of rights, would sound more like "treason" than a "treaty".

and if by some small miracle, this were true, then my firearms would might themselves missing, I suspect some desperate criminal may have stolen them, I don't know where they are.

That's right!! WE have no idea where those guns went, let alone the unregistered ones.. LOL

Ooh where did I put my RPG again>? Oh yeah I buried it so no one can find it but me.. lol

You can check it out with Snopes, if you wish.

I ain'y askeered.

I would guess it's a hoax. But to the point, only the police and the military should be able to own hand guns and automatic rifles (AK-47s, etc). These weapons have one purpose: kill human beings. You cannot use them for anything else. Many of these weapons sold in the U.S. end up in criminal hands here and in other countries, especially Mexico. Use a gun in the commission of a crime? Automatic life in prison.

I hate to disagree with Jim (because he knows that I respect him), but semi-automatic weapons are now legal to use for hunting in many states. Mostly for problem critters like coyotes, deer, and such, but they are legal none-the-less.

Like I've said before..."Guns don't kill people...moody bloated bitches do."

I would guess it's a hoax. But to the point, only the police and the military should be able to own hand guns and automatic rifles (AK-47s, etc). These weapons have one purpose: kill human beings. You cannot use them for anything else. Many of these weapons sold in the U.S. end up in criminal hands here and in other countries, especially Mexico. Use a gun in the commission of a crime? Automatic life in prison.

You already have to have a special license for automatic weapons.
Automatic meaning 'machine gun', not semi-automatic as in 'pull the trigger as fast as you can'.

You can use semi-autos for hunting.
People hunt with handguns.

All weapons have a purpose - Incapacitating, wounding or killing.

Personally, if I'm going to go out with the intent to kill someone, I'll creep up on them with my Bow.
No noise for the neighborhood to notice.

It is no hoax.
They have been working on an "International" law to circumvent our constitution for 30 years.
The Second Amendment does not specify what type of firearm. Only that the right shall not be infringed.
The single shot flintlock of 1776 was the epitome of the assault weapon when the Constitution was written.
The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution has nothing to do with "sporting" or "hunting". It is the main link in the chain of checks and balances against corrupt politicians. My gun insures your vote.
No legally ( yes they are legal ) owned automatic weapon ( you are smart enough to know the difference between an automatic and a semi automatic aren't you) has ever been used in the commission of a crime in the U.S.
I'll hide nothing.
Those commie MFrs want a war. Come n get it.

Sans, if they come for your guns I'll take a bullet or two for you while you get your guns ready to kill a few scumbags. I don't own a gun myself but I'd gladly defend your right to own one. Isn't it ironic that in states where right-to-carry goes into effect the crime rate goes DOWN. People have the right to legally bear arms. THIS SHOULD NEVER CHANGE and if it does I will die defending those people who want to protect themselves with guns...

and I don't believe that our bill of rights can be circumvented by any treaty, and to sign something that didn't jive with the bill of rights, would sound more like "treason" than a "treaty".

Have you forgotten how they went into New Orleans and confiscated the peoples guns, leaving them defensless while looting, rape and murder were "supposedly" running ramped there?


Did you know that in the event of an international pandemic the WHO (World Health Organization) has the authority to circumvent all national constitutions and take over control of any and all governments worldwide?

If the oil spill in the Gulf adversely effects the economy our President can (by executive order) relieve all state and local governing bodies of their powers and place the Department of Homeland Security in charge of the country through F.E.M.A.?

They have already placed the laws and treaties to take control of our country and the world... Sounds crazy huh... was Hitler crazy? Mussolini? Stalin?
They all took over their countries under the same pretense; saving the homeland from Terrorists and selfish Big Business practices!

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I would guess it's a hoax. But to the point, only the police and the military should be able to own hand guns and automatic rifles (AK-47s, etc). These weapons have one purpose: kill human beings. You cannot use them for anything else. Many of these weapons sold in the U.S. end up in criminal hands here and in other countries, especially Mexico. Use a gun in the commission of a crime? Automatic life in prison.

If you had suggested that 200 years ago, it might hold water, but unfortunately outlaws have been well armed since long before we arrived here, and because of the nature of how we obtained this great land of ours, fire arms were a necessity, even the ones meant for killing people.
Now 99% of criminals already have guns they aren't giving up, for any law.
If law abiding citizens give up their guns, it'll be a free for all for the criminals.
Further, a Japanese general from the WW2 era, was asked why they attacked Pearl Harbor as opposed to the mainland, and his response, was it would be suicide, because of the amount of guns and defense the citizens themselves could muster, it's unlike anything in history, where the people are nearly as well armed as the soldiers defending the people now days.

No sir, I feel safer, knowing that I don't have to just sit there and hope this crazy person doesn't choose to kill me, instead he's going to have to work for it, and may end up dead himself. Thats more of a deterrent than our weak ass prisons will ever be.[/i]

and I don't believe that our bill of rights can be circumvented by any treaty, and to sign something that didn't jive with the bill of rights, would sound more like "treason" than a "treaty".

Have you forgotten how they went into New Orleans and confiscated the peoples guns, leaving them defensless while looting, rape and murder were "supposedly" running ramped there?


Did you know that in the event of an international pandemic the WHO (World Health Organization) has the authority to circumvent all national constitutions and take over control of any and all governments worldwide?

If the oil spill in the Gulf adversely effects the economy our President can (by executive order) relieve all state and local governing bodies of their powers and place the Department of Homeland Security in charge of the country through F.E.M.A.?

They have already placed the laws and treaties to take control of our country and the world... Sounds crazy huh... was Hitler crazy? Mussolini? Stalin?
They all took over their countries under the same pretense; saving the homeland from Terrorists and selfish Big Business practices!

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No, doesn't sound crazy to me at all unfortunately. In fact sounds like buisness as usual...

Hows the music scene in Holland these days?

My dog ate my gun.

Or maybe he buried it somewhere?

He's always doing that stuff.

Bad doggy.