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#112403 by jaminjohn08
Tue May 25, 2010 12:00 pm
Hey all
We have a guy that plays bass in our band, he says he has played in other bands for many years, he is a really nice person who i consider my friend but he is not a very good bass player and kinda throws off the rest of the guys in the band, he's not really in sync with us. We dont want to lose him as a friend but he does suck as a bass player any suggestions?

#112404 by philbymon
Tue May 25, 2010 12:11 pm
# 1 - "Dude! What are you doing this Saturday? You should come & see us, cuz you won't be with us anymore!"

# 2 - "You should take a vacation, man...take some lessons while you're at it"

# 3 - "Here's the thing - I could point out your every mistake, stop the band each & every time you make one, but then we wouldn't be playing much music anymore."

# 4 - "I'm trying to think of a good analogy...you know how magnets can either attract or repel each other? Well, you suck & we hafta replace you."

$ 5 - Take the guy aside. Tell him your problems with his work. Gice him a chance to work it out...like, a week. Don't burn any bridges if you can avoid it, but you must be firm in your resolve. I hope you have someone in the wings to take over, cuz if you don't, you won't be any better off.

#112406 by jimmydanger
Tue May 25, 2010 12:26 pm
Get the guy some lessons. Pay for it from the band's funds. If after 5 lessons he doesn't sound better start auditioning, and let him know. This will make him work harder.

#112414 by Tronix
Tue May 25, 2010 2:42 pm
I was in that mans position at one point, and I can tell you from experience, that if you go about it the wrong way, you'll lose him as a friend as well, and thats obviously not what you want.

Most inadequate bass players, who aren't in-sync tend to forget what the bass guitars job is, it's not a "lead" instrument its an accompaniment instrument, and the most vital part of the rhythm section..He needs to learn to ride the kick drum, if he can do that he can play bass. So few can tell when a band has a great bass player vs. having an average bass player, that really if the rest of the band is solid, then he can be average and no one at your shows will notice.

That said, pull him aside, and make a point to clarify this is not his fault, he's trying to step his game up by playing with more experienced musicians, I too was flying by the seat of my pants with one of my first bands, and the guy ripped me apart, and never gave me the chance to shore up my bass lines, he more or less told me after a practice that he didn't need me, and I was holding them back. I never fully forgave them for that because he kept reiterating my faults instead of telling which direction I needed to go to get better. By the time he did get to mentioning my problems musically, I was already so angry I didn't listen to any of it, I packed my gear and left.

Truth is, afterwards when I had a chance to cool down, I thought about what he had said, and I actually went about focusing entirely on his suggestions and things I could change, and he was right. Once I tried what he suggested it brought my timing into much better focus.

My biggest problem was my fingers couldn't hold a steady rhythm. He always suggested me using a pick, and I would never disgrace my bass, by cheating with a pick, but he was right, I was able to hold a much tighter and cleaner bass line using a pick, I used it for a while, then one day decided to try again without a pick and lo and behold, my natural sense of timing had gotten stronger, and I could now play without a pick. The attack of a pick is much faster, and allows for your brain to increase it's overall speed, because the pick can play at the speed your brain is telling it to, whereas the fingers tend to lag behind alittle

Try helping him to fix his issues first, give him a good month to get it, if he doesn't then sit him down and explain that you have to look elsewhere until he has his chops down, and that later on you guys can always pick back up and try again.

#112418 by Starfish Scott
Tue May 25, 2010 3:07 pm
HEEEYYY, plenty of bass players play with a pick.

And I did as well.

"It doesn't matter if you use a chunk of rock, as long as you are doing what you are supposed to".

#112427 by Tronix
Tue May 25, 2010 3:34 pm
Capt. Scott wrote:HEEEYYY, plenty of bass players play with a pick.

And I did as well.

"It doesn't matter if you use a chunk of rock, as long as you are doing what you are supposed to".


Yeah, that is true, but I always felt guilty like, Cliff Burton was frowning at me from above...

truth is, I still have one song of ours, that I use a pick on, because its 200bpm and I'm playing 1/16th beats..it kills me, but perfect rhythm is more important than perfect style to me.
#112429 by jsantos
Tue May 25, 2010 3:43 pm
jaminjohn08 wrote:Hey all
We have a guy that plays bass in our band, he says he has played in other bands for many years, he is a really nice person who i consider my friend but he is not a very good bass player and kinda throws off the rest of the guys in the band, he's not really in sync with us. We dont want to lose him as a friend but he does suck as a bass player any suggestions?


Wassap John! I would be honest with your friend and tell him the truth. Explain to him that he is a very nice person and a good friend but he needs to develop his bass skills before he can play with the band. I'm sure he will understand. Good luck!

#112438 by Metal D
Tue May 25, 2010 5:51 pm
philbymon wrote:Take the guy aside. Tell him your problems with his work. Gice him a chance to work it out...like, a week. Don't burn any bridges if you can avoid it, but you must be firm in your resolve. I hope you have someone in the wings to take over, cuz if you don't, you won't be any better off.



I think that Philby is onto something here... :wink:

#112441 by jw123
Tue May 25, 2010 6:31 pm
Thats a toughie

Next question does he provide the beer?

With friends this stuff is always tough, Im with Philby sit him down and talk to him about it. Give him a week or a month to get it together. In the end I guess it depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you are weekend warriors and just get together to kick out the jams its not a biggie. If your band has any kind of potential, then jsut explain that you need someone who can do a better job of playing, plain simple and its the truth from what youve said. You more than likely will lose a friend out of it.

Most bands Ive been in there was always some weak link, ussually me!

Good Luck

#112462 by Slacker G
Tue May 25, 2010 10:52 pm
I wrote a long post. Then I deleted it. So dittos to what jw and many others said.

In our own ways we're all saying the same thing.

Friends are friends. Music is music. When the two are incompatible, don't let them play together in the same room or eventually one of them will get hurt and start crying.

#112474 by philbymon
Wed May 26, 2010 12:44 am
What...nobody liked my 1st 4 suggestions?

#112476 by fisherman bob
Wed May 26, 2010 12:47 am
The two people you can ill afford to have in a band who suck are the bass player and drummer. If either one is lousy it'll drag the whole band down. If you don't have a replacement lined up then a little encouragement might help the situation. If a replacement is available I would make the move fast, especially if you have gigs lined up.
#112506 by Janishia
Wed May 26, 2010 4:33 am
It happens though. Well, I had the same kind of problem not too long ago and one of my friends sent me to this site www.musicolio.com I was able to find a band very easily. Plus, it listed open gigs so check it out! You may find it interesting.

Best!

#112558 by Starfish Scott
Wed May 26, 2010 3:43 pm
Tronix wrote:
Capt. Scott wrote:HEEEYYY, plenty of bass players play with a pick.

And I did as well.

"It doesn't matter if you use a chunk of rock, as long as you are doing what you are supposed to".


Yeah, that is true, but I always felt guilty like, Cliff Burton was frowning at me from above...

truth is, I still have one song of ours, that I use a pick on, because its 200bpm and I'm playing 1/16th beats..it kills me, but perfect rhythm is more important than perfect style to me.



"but perfect rhythm is more important than perfect style to me"

SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS, because some of these little faqers still don't get it.

#112580 by Tronix
Wed May 26, 2010 4:30 pm
Capt. Scott wrote:
Tronix wrote:
Capt. Scott wrote:HEEEYYY, plenty of bass players play with a pick.

And I did as well.

"It doesn't matter if you use a chunk of rock, as long as you are doing what you are supposed to".


Yeah, that is true, but I always felt guilty like, Cliff Burton was frowning at me from above...

truth is, I still have one song of ours, that I use a pick on, because its 200bpm and I'm playing 1/16th beats..it kills me, but perfect rhythm is more important than perfect style to me.



"but perfect rhythm is more important than perfect style to me"

SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS, because some of these little faqers still don't get it.


Bass 101..
#1 Stay in the pocket
#2 stay in the pocket
#3 if you can't stay in the pocket, stay in the pocket anyway.

:D

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