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http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/ ... tml?hpt=T3

Very alarming.

While there have been some, less than scrupulous, materials coming out of the conservation community at times... I think it should be quite obvious that nature is being assaulted, and that it worsens, the more that third world countries become industrialized, and put more pollution into the atmosphere, land and waters.

Bees are disappearing from North America. I don't see butterflies anymore, in areas where I saw hordes of them growing up. More and more rivers are being polluted, some becoming cesspools. You cannot think that nature is like some gigantic "magic eraser" that can just absorb anything, in any quantity, for long periods of time, without ill effects.

We need AIR, FOOD and WATER to live.

And as far as I can tell.... ALL THREE are under assault, dwindling, becoming unclean or may pose a threat.

What happens when something like the potato famine hits some of the world's major crops? What happens when FRESH water becomes harder and harder to come by?

The numbers of reduced species, at the proportions mentioned in that article, should be alarming to ANYONE!

We have ONE PLANET to sustain us people.

If anyone out there just doesn't give a damn, because hey... "I'll be dead by then anyway!"... well, just remember, that your children, your grandchildren.... and your descendants for centuries to come, will have to deal with what we left them.

I'm glad you see it that way. Many people don't. And worse, some will use evolution to say that it's just nature's will. There's no such thing. It's up to us to chart our future.

I'm glad you see it that way. Many people don't.

I don't know any other logical way of seeing it. Anyone with eyes, should be able to notice the changes in their own environment, since childhood until now. Most likely it hasn't IMPROVED anywhere, and only worsened. Cities are larger than ever, more crowded, sending more pollution. Just driving around, look at the clouds of smog that hang over major cities, which you can easily observe from a distance. That stuff doesn't just STAY in the air. It falls, it's breathed into lungs... it's carried down by rain, into the water supply, and everything else.

And worse, some will use evolution to say that it's just nature's will. There's no such thing. It's up to us to chart our future.

Agreed.


We should NOT take ANYTHING as inevitable, other than the facts that ALL HUMANS belong to the SAME SPECIES, and that we are DEPENDENT upon the Earth's resources to ensure the SURVIVAL of our species... the survival of our children... and our children's children.

It took BILLIONS of years, to bring LIFE ON EARTH to where it is... to where... WE were possible. There are simply no words to express what a TRAGEDY it would be, to ruin that advancement, and force nature to start, virtually from scratch.

We've been wrong about so many things throughout history.

That mercury was healthy as a medicine for example.

We cannot afford to get THIS wrong.

What back-up plan is there?

There's NOT one!

Self destruction is usually a slow process and this has been going on for some decades. In fact it started at the begining of the Industrial age with no regulation. Big money, Big production, Bigtime greed. I would guess that in 100 years without a world wide turn around, water, food, air will be beyond repair and diseases will mutate and wipe out mankind almost entirely. Pockets of mankind will refurbish the earth having learned the hard way and finally we will be off to a new begining with a brand new mentality that will never be forgotten. Man has proven throughout time that he only learns the hard way the most important things. I believe this will be no different. Greed and self indulgence has saturated the fiber of man and changed the mentality of man. It will get worse, much worse. This is still the beginning. The planets ability to clean itself will be tested at the end. That is really the last and only hope.

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Actually, it started way before the Industrial Rev. Just check out what happens around mines, or any metal refining spot.

Ppl been flooking up for many centuries.

These damned stink bugs are crazy this year! They came from Korea.

Bees have been disappearing for a long time, mostly due to mites imported from other areas of the world.

Starlings did as much damage to our song birds as DDT, in truth.

Speaking of DDT, there's bldg sites around here where they hafta dig up the ground four feet down...ALL of it...before they can build anything, cuz DDT was used in the apple orchards, once, & it just doesn't go away in a single lifetime! (I wonder where the infected dirt goes...)

Kudzu's tearing up the landscape in lots of places.

Rolling Thunder says, "Never trust the water downstream from a white man."

I would guess that in 100 years without a world wide turn around, water, food, air will be beyond repair and diseases will mutate and wipe out mankind almost entirely. Pockets of mankind will refurbish the earth having learned the hard way and finally we will be off to a new begining with a brand new mentality that will never be forgotten.

I think that is a VERY LIKELY possibility brother.


God has shown me that He created the cosmos so vast, because he INTENDS for His experiment to CONTINUE, and that over MILLENIA to come, we will require MORE SPACE.... MORE WORLDS to settle. He didn't spend BILLIONS of years to create us, only to watch us destroy ourselves in a few generations.

But to EXPLORE and SETTLE other worlds... to be given this technology... God cannot allow us to have it, until we learn the very lessons you are eluding to.... that we should CARE FOR THE CREATION and we should CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER!

He cannot allow our selfishness, and still primitive nature, to expand beyond the Earth for now. It would be like a disease spreading throughout the cosmos itself.

Major disasters both man-made and natural, ARE OCCURING and there are MANY MANY MORE TO COME.

I think you are right, that man learns the hard way best.

That is unfortunate, but historically... true.

It will probably hold true, even in this modern era right now. Many problems have gone a long way toward being resolved... like slavery, environmental consciousness, etc... but MANY others are still lacking... like the global aims of radical Islam, or the fight between religionists and anti-religionists, with both sides trying to ENFORCE their beliefs on the other. Even Communism has not been completely settled I fear. Russia has found new oil wealth, and has virtually re-initiated the Cold War. China has found a balance between Communism and their own version of Capitalism, which basically keeps the people economically enslaved (the masses anyway) and has brought massive economic value to the country itself. And now, China and Russia have recently concluded that they need to WORK TOGETHER and find ways of supporting one another. That is not a good thing, if you ask me. Who knows if that doesn't lead to a renewal of interest in Communism globally?

Add to this the fact, that there "IS" rogue nuclear material out there, and likely already in the hands of potential terrorists, who will eventually find the means to make it useful. Our own nuclear watchdog groups, say that it is not a matter of "If" there will be a nuclear device deployed by a terrorist group... but "WHEN".

They believe it is INEVITABLE, not theoretical.


Mankind "WILL" face some very dark days to come.

But as you suggest... the END is not merely the END ITSELF, but the end of one thing, is always the BEGINNING of something else!

It's clear that humanity has an effect on our environment, but there is nothing caused by humans which can't be fixed or reversed so long there are informed and concerned people we are not going to be extinct, however the business of survival calls for e certain amount of participation by everyone.

Articles like this one are very good and informative, ultimately it's up to everybody to translate information into ecologically friendly actions.

I disagree NAV. Man can cause his own extinction and the extinction of earth. But as Craig says , I dont think GOD will allow him to.

Let me get this straight. God is willing and able to bring Armageddon but He won't let man destroy himself? Sorry, that's a crock.

Let me get this straight. God is willing and able to bring Armageddon but He won't let man destroy himself? Sorry, that's a crock.

Personally, I don't believe that "God" causes Armageddon. Man creates his own Armageddon. And "I" never said that God would not "allow" man to destroy himself... I said that God would not "allow" us the knowledge needed to settle other galaxies, UNTIL, we got our act together. But man will not destroy himself completely. I agree with Klugmo that there will be a remnant. Whatever we do to ourselves, God will preserve a remnant, to carry on the species. We have the FREE WILL to do what we will, but there will ALWAYS be those, that reject the status quo, and will cling to God, no matter what others do. There will ALWAYS be those, God can reach and direct to safety, those who listen, and who can start a new world, hopefully begun, with the lessons of the past.

I also think that it is in the realm of "possibility" that such an inevitability, is not really "inevitable". We "DO" have the Free Will to CHANGE OUR DESTINY! The world "COULD" embrace love more than selfishness. But human nature, as Klugmo pointed out, is to learn "the hard way" and this may be the world's fate. But it doesn't have to be INEVITABLE. Even the Bible has examples of a PEOPLE, changing their own hearts and lives, and as a result, changed the bad events prophesied for them.

Prophecy "IS" dependent on mankind's own responses.