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#110993 by philbymon
Sun May 09, 2010 12:06 pm
"IMHO if you come to my country illegally and you go to school and become a surgical nurse (for instance) in my mind you have more of a right to be here than half the population."

I'm sorry, but that is about the strangest thing I've heard in awhile...& I hear LOTS of strange things!

If you come to this country illegally, you have no right to be here. If you go to school here, illegally, you have stolen an American's place in that school. If you then illegally get a job that you illegally went to an American school for, you have stolen an American job. You, as an illegal, have no right to be here, to attend school here, or to work here, because, from the moment you stepped foot on American soil, you were a criminal stealing that job, that schooling, the very air you breathe & the space you take up, from an American.

You are certainly allowed your opinion, though I think it's a wrong one.

Yes, lots of Americans don't live up to thier potential. It's a shame, but you know what? BFD. Thank goodness there's no law saying we have to.

I would never knowingly allow someone to come here & take the potential away from an American citizen to better himself, though. Most of us have behind us generations who have fought, voted, contributed, & worked in this country to make it what it is, The things we enjoy are, quite frankly, our birthright. We are rather magnanimous about accepting others into the fold - those who will do it legally. It is a constant outrage that ppl come & steal from us, though, whether it be a job, or a place in school, or a mere place in our society & on our streets, especially when we've made it so clear that we will accept you, provided you follow a few simple rules.
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Boycott the co that hires them? Well, gee, mike, I haven't bought a house that was built by them, if that's what you mean. It hasn't helped in my job search, though.

I do buy food. I have no idea how much of that has been sullied by the hands of an illegal, or what brands to avoid. Do you?

In some cases, I'm sure that the local police are being paid to look the other way, when it comes to illegals, too, or they wouldn't be here in such numbers. Lots of ppl are profiting from this tragedy to American workers.

I would never smoke foreign pot, either.

Am I doing my part? Is there more I can do?

:lol:

#110994 by philbymon
Sun May 09, 2010 12:16 pm
Hey sans! How do you get one of those "pubic defender" jobs?

:lol:

I LOVE typos!

#111002 by 90 dB
Sun May 09, 2010 12:55 pm
“seems the central thesis here is that illegals have caused damage to the economy.”


What color is the sky in your world, man? Have you ever worked construction? Been to an Emergency Room in L.A?


“just let in the honest hardworking majority that are no different than your or my grandparents, great grandparents, etc.”


“Honest”? They already broke laws by entering the country illegally. To me, that is dishonest. YMMV.


“making demons out of a group of people... they tried that in germany and it didn't pan out all that well.”


Ah, the old “You're a nativist Nazi racist because you want your immigration laws enforced. No Sale.


“"Have you ever seen during the rescent protests signs that say RE- CONQUISTA?" yes, and they scare me just as much as the inbred skinheads who think this land belongs to them. both are a very small part of the population and both have their right to believe what they want. Question is... does either really have any more right to it than the other? Why?”



Why? Because one is a legal citizen, subject to the law, and the other is not. Simple, no?


“IMHO if you come to my country illegally and you go to school and become a surgical nurse (for instance) in my mind you have more of a right to be here than half the population.”


OK. You enter the country illegally. You attend American schools illegally. Upon graduation, you obtain a grant or student loan illegally to attend nursing school. Now, by virtue of your illegal activities, you have a “right” to be here and compete in the job market with native born/naturalized Americans. Seems perfectly logical to me.

:roll:

#111003 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun May 09, 2010 1:22 pm
You know what 90 db,, f**k your humble opinion. It is wrong and all people like you want to do is f**k up the lives of people like me. GO GET YOUR GUN.

#111004 by philbymon
Sun May 09, 2010 1:24 pm
In his defense, Mike has raised some possible steps on the solution of the illegals problem:

"how bout we start revoking biz licenses for those caught hiring illegals... I get they'd def verify those ss#s then.

"furthermore new rule... anyone caught here illegally loses the right to ever come here legally"


I like both of those points. Businesses that hire illegals should be punished for doing so, &, once you've proven to be a alien criminal in our system, you should never be allowed to become a legal citizen, or even enter the borders.

"closing the border will make it harder to go back and forth for the legals... and perhaps we can even charge them each time... in order to help keep their money here in the us."

Any illegal caught within our borders should be stripped of everything they have on them but the clothes on thier backs, & deported. Anything they've obtained here was done illegally, thus they are not entitled to anything.

"capitolism is based off of finding cheap labor to exploit, delivering the product at the lowest price, and making the most profit."

Again, revoke the biz license & you remove the profit factor, making the hiring of illegals less appealing. Great idea, Mike.

"...landmines and automated 50cal turrets on the border... if you make it here illegally and we catch you you loose any hope of ever getting here legally... if you come here legally you server in the military for 1 year... you hire an illegal you lose your biz license unless you've used e-verify. then, open up the border to more hardworking immigrants."

Unfortunately, the legal use of land mines has been revoked by international treaty (as it should be). The rest of your points are well made, though.

I wonder about this remark: "I've met well educated illegals."

It seems to me that the well-educated ppl would prefer to be legal for any number of reasons, AND they would be better-equiped to ease into the American system, seamlessly. Are these ppl outlaws for some other reason? What would make them so undesireable that they wouldn't even try to work within the system to become American citizens?
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#111005 by philbymon
Sun May 09, 2010 1:27 pm
GLENJ wrote:You know what 90 db,, f**k your humble opinion. It is wrong and all people like you want to do is f**k up the lives of people like me. GO GET YOUR GUN.


Dude! He was quoting Mike, not arguing against you. You owe him an apology, man, cuz he is arguing for America & against illegals.

READ the posts carefully before you react! 90db is on your side!

#111006 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun May 09, 2010 1:28 pm
You dont have a clue about what all us GEORGE WASHINGTONS are goona bring down on you flocking traitors to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

You think you can twist the constitution to protect you....
AINT GONNA HAPPEN!!! :evil:

#111007 by 90 dB
Sun May 09, 2010 1:30 pm
GLENJ wrote:You dont have a clue about what all us GEORGE WASHINGTONS are goona bring down on you flocking traitors to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

You think you can twist the constitution to protect you....
AINT GONNA HAPPEN!!! :evil:





Back away from the computer man.....slowly........you're gonna hurt yourself! :lol:

#111011 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun May 09, 2010 1:44 pm
Thanx Phil ,Once again you are coming through.I thought he was being sarcastic. Call me stupid.
I'm not that stupid, though, I still think you are a great bass player. :)

#111013 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun May 09, 2010 1:46 pm
SORRY. :(

#111015 by 90 dB
Sun May 09, 2010 1:58 pm
No problem. Having lived in Southern California and South Florida for the last 30 years, I have some definite ideas about illegal "immigration".



1. Enforce the Immigration laws, Mr. President.
2. Repeal "Anchor Baby" law.
3. Deport all illegals.

#111016 by philbymon
Sun May 09, 2010 2:03 pm
Well & succinctly put, 90db. I couldn't agree more.

#111018 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun May 09, 2010 2:35 pm
So SORRY. :(

#111019 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun May 09, 2010 2:43 pm
Hey 90db Good trax thanks for sharing. Good playing. Really good vocals for live recordings.

#111020 by 90 dB
Sun May 09, 2010 2:56 pm
GLENJ wrote:Hey 90db Good trax thanks for sharing. Good playing. Really good vocals for live recordings.




Thanks man. I like your stuff as well.

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