General Music Chat

In defense of Craig, I think his views here are spot on. Sometime you need passion. Should the villians be the only ones with a loud message? They do win a lot, don't they?

Sorry George.


I'm just SICK of racism.


My father was racist. He lost his life... murdered, in his 40's directly as a result of his racism. I had told him again and again as a pre-teen, that racism was wrong. But he was set in his ways.


When I first came to Jesus as an adult, it was at a relative's church.


They were on fire for God! They worked hard, street preaching and tithing, and services three times weekly. I went to all three. I even street preached a few times. But after some time, I would hear the Pastor from time to time, call black people "Niggers" - FROM THE PULPIT! Even though my father was racist, I just wasn't. I don't really know why. My best friend in school was black. When I was a young adult, and moved in with my uncle for a while... he got mad at me for having a black friend stay over once in a while. He kicked me out, because I argued with him about it, since he wouldn't have cared if it were a white friend staying over. When he kicked me out... I had NO MONEY and NO PLACE TO GO!

My best friend at the time (also a black guy) talked to his mother, and she told him to bring me to her house, until I got on my feet. She fed me, washed my clothes, and never asked for ONE PENNY. I never forgot her kindness. I was the only white person in 10 square miles of the black area they lived in.

She was a GOOD CHRISTIAN WOMAN who, though surrounded by drugs and crime... taught her children to hold to what is RIGHT always, no matter what other people do. This was a good Christian woman... and yet, here I was in a "Christian" church, where the pastor was calling black people "Niggers" from THE PULPIT!!!

I ran right back into the world, when I just couldn't take any more of it.

I was not going to sit there and listen to a "supposed" man of God, use a pejorative term when referring to black people, when so many black people had been friends to me throughout my life... and when in MY HEART, I knew there was not a separate Heaven for white people and for black people. If God would not separate people in Heaven, based on color... why on Earth would He do it here? Jesus prayed for God's will to be done ON EARTH.... JUST AS IT IS... IN HEAVEN!!!

God's will WAS NOT "Racism".

Racism is EVIL George.

In one sense you have some valid points about METHODOLOGY, but then again... I don't see how sugar-coating evil, makes it less evil? Or makes it more easy to learn for the racists among us. Jesus didn't sugar coat evil. In fact... YOU don't sugar coat it either.

You practice TOUGH LOVE where drug addiction is concerned.

Need I remind you?

Consider this.... MY tough love!!!

You want to know why we have racism? Whites started it!

WOW dude.
You really think we only have racism because of white people??

Damn, I bet those Jews did not know the Egyptians where white.

I was all with you there for a second my friend but that is just plain ridiculous.

Like saying there were no murders before guns.

I cannot believe an seemingly intelligent person would say such.

I'm dumbfounded.

So K, like I said you have a chip on your shoulder from a former incident. U just proved that with your campfire story.

As a fellow human Im sorry that there are those that would do what they did to you.

Sorry if I come across as racist, I guess by Craigs definition I am. But if a group of black people, white people, green people or yellow people just want to paly with people of like color, I dont think that makes them racist. These guys made that clear from a jump to you and upset you because of the earlier incident. And form what all you have shared maybe they are racist. I guess if when I got dumped from the black gospel group they had beat me up I might have a different take on this. Im sorry that noone on here has the guts to understand what Im trying to say. But it is what it is.

I wish you and anyone on here well in their musical endeavers.

No need to belittle me, Craig.

Uncalled for.

My apologies.


Although... Maybe I should have read the rest of your comment, before I responded to this one part.

Uhh ohhh!

You want to know why we have racism? Whites started it!

WOW dude.
You really think we only have racism because of white people??

Damn, I bet those Jews did not know the Egyptians where white.

I was all with you there for a second my friend but that is just plain ridiculous.

Like saying there were no murders before guns.

I cannot believe an seemingly intelligent person would say such.

I'm dumbfounded.

I'm talking about the Calvary and the first European settlers. Oh yeah, let's not forget Columbus who gives us a day off work.

These white power groups are growing, and they keep the disease alive.

I was relating America alone, we can go all over the globe about racism...but this country is neck to neck with the Middle East as far as racism goes.

Craig

Touche'

Yes, I am a passionate man and sometimes don't well practice what I preach.

Racism is alive and well among the various ethnic groups in Iran, Iraq and China, to name but a few. Not only could most of us not tell them apart but:
NONE of them are white.

Many black men served in the post Civil War U. S. Calvary raids against the Indian nations.

Racism is wrong, mine and yours.

So K, like I said you have a chip on your shoulder from a former incident. U just proved that with your campfire story.

As a fellow human Im sorry that there are those that would do what they did to you.

Sorry if I come across as racist, I guess by Craigs definition I am. But if a group of black people, white people, green people or yellow people just want to paly with people of like color, I dont think that makes them racist. These guys made that clear from a jump to you and upset you because of the earlier incident. And form what all you have shared maybe they are racist. I guess if when I got dumped from the black gospel group they had beat me up I might have a different take on this. Im sorry that noone on here has the guts to understand what Im trying to say. But it is what it is.

I wish you and anyone on here well in their musical endeavers.

I know damned well you're not racist. And yeah, that campfire story was an eye opener to all those things I used hear and thought they were exaggerated.

If your son or daughter wore Doc Martins, boy or girl, regardless of age, they would kick their asses for those boots...without asking!

Many black men served in the post Civil War U. S. Calvary raids against the Indian nations.

Racism is wrong, mine and yours.

Fair enough. But may I add that blacks were forced into the military.

No need to belittle me, Craig.

Uncalled for.

My apologies.


Although... Maybe I should have read the rest of your comment, before I responded to this one part.

Uhh ohhh!

Did I say anything objectionable? If so, sorry, but I don't see it.

Im sorry that noone on here has the guts to understand what Im trying to say. But it is what it is.

I've got plenty of guts John.

I'm not afraid of sh*t, if I believe I am right.

I will honestly "DIE" rather than adopt a lie as truth, or accept something untruthful, just because it is popular.

Hell... It should be clear to anyone here, that I am not after any popularity contest awards.


But this is NOT about having "guts".


It's about a simple fact...

If your criteria for having a player in your band, is based on RACE, then you are automatically EXCLUDING OTHERS based on THEIR RACE, and to "EXCLUDE OTHERS BASED ON RACE", IS...



Ding, ding, ding!




RACISM!

Did I say anything objectionable?

No bro, I wasn't saying THAT YOU "DID", but that...

I SHOULD HAVE READ YOUR WHOLE COMMENT FIRST... Maybe you had something bad to say, further down?

I didn't know, cause I posted my response RIGHT AWAY, after only reading the first part of your comment.

You guys need to give each other a hug.

You guys need to give each other a hug.