General Music Chat

My apologies, everyone.

Dunno what got into me.

I swear I'm going to shut up (after this).

01. At least my post stayed up top for a while.

02. Craig, you would debate a rock if it would fight back (joking, but sometimes I wonder what the point is...arguing free speech in a specific setting-Knowing (and respecting) your religious background, I find it hard to believe that you would condone someone getting up before the congregation and trying to sell aluminum siding. As I stated before, I'm all for variety. That being said, this site has a specific purpose (music). I feel like you are debating for the sake of debating. I don't feel that it's about freedom of expression for you; It seems more about being right.


BTW. I live in coal country. My father spent 30 years in the mines. His father did the same. Quoting statistics and news reports doesn't make you an expert on something. You don't live here. You don't understand. Stop pretending to. I know people personally that worked with the guys that died at Sago. I remember my father coming home, tears in his eyes, when someone was hurt or killed at his job. It's easy to sit back and say "458 citations in one year, could have been a clue.". The truth is, you don't know what you're talking about.

Yea ... joseph6 ... this forum has been wreaked by a few ...

How is the forum "Ruined"?

A forum is a community of people, who have discussions online. Did someone pass a law, that said that you were not allowed to have CONVERSATIONS online any longer? Do you stop talking to the whole family, because your "crazy" uncle eddy shows up and voices opinions you don't like?

Are all your relationships truly that dependent upon, one mere mortal having a different opinion, and not "falling into line"?


Holy Cremoly! I have more power than I ever realized before!

It's a MUSIC FORUM Craig ...

it's NOT a

religious forum or a political forum

it's a forum to discuss music ... if you want to spout off about religion, go to a religious forum ... same as the political crap ... conspiracy theories. You hate Obama, you hate the goverment, ... we get that ... we don't need to hear about it everyday.

And for the rest of the crap in your last post ... I'm not bitting ... someone has to start ignoring this crap, instead of feeding it and if enough of us do ... the few will be marginalized ... and this sh*t will stop

It's a MUSIC FORUM Craig ...

it's NOT a

religious forum or a political forum

It's not a forum about Phil's family dramas or his life in the sticks either, but that is MOSTLY what he posts about. Is that not a problem too?

And for the rest of the crap in your last post ... I'm not bitting ... someone has to start ignoring this crap, instead of feeding it and if enough of us do ... the few will be marginalized ... and this sh*t will stop

Ah yes, then it can return to harmless dick jokes and the occassional insult to religion, Democracy or Conservative politicians.

If anything, I keep this place interesting and bring in a serious subject now and again. Your life can't be one repetitive meaningless dick joke can it? That is what will really make your statement on this earth? That's what says it was worth nature's while to sustain your existence?

Here's a thought... "Stop reading the threads you don't like."

It's not complicated.

It's like some of you are gluttons for punishment. It's Howard Stern syndrome all over again! He almost got fired early on from NBC radio, but NBC polling indicated that, not only were his own fans very loyal listeners, but people who complained the most about Stern, listened to him TWICE AS MUCH as his own fans did!

Now, if only I could have Howard's paycheck to go with it!!!

someone has to start ignoring this crap, instead of feeding it and if enough of us do ... the few will be marginalized ... and this sh*t will stop

"Yes!!! Marginalize those we disagree with! - Heil Hitler!"

It's not a forum about Phil's family dramas or his life in the sticks either, but that is MOSTLY what he posts about. Is that not a problem too?

Yes it is.
And no, it's not a problem.

Ah yes, then it can return to harmless dick jokes and the occassional insult to religion, Democracy or Conservative politicians.

Hyperbole does not win arguments.

If anything, I keep this place interesting and bring in a serious subject now and again. Your life can't be one repetitive meaningless dick joke can it? That is what will really make your statement on this earth? That's what says it was worth nature's while to sustain your existence?

You do add interesting tidbits, but you bring in serious subjects more than 'now and then'.

Back to back references to dick jokes?
I dont ever remember seeing dick jokes on this form.
It doesnt matter what 'satement' you make on this earth in the end.
What makes you think that your 'satements' on this earth are important?

[b]Here's a thought... "Stop reading the threads you don't like."

Stop posting the threads that I dont like.
If you're not sure, ask me first.

It's like some of you are gluttons for punishment. It's Howard Stern syndrome all over again! He almost got fired early on from NBC radio, but NBC polling indicated that, not only were his own fans very loyal listeners, but people who complained the most about Stern, listened to him TWICE AS MUCH as his own fans did!

That was merely the result of folks trying to get a word in because they were pissed off, and wanted to bring him down. (So of course they had to monitor whatever he had to say)

You're saying that if people dislike you twice as much then you will get twice as much attention?
To what end?
You cant change anything by a bellowing force of will - the extra attention you that you will get will be from rocks thrown in your direction.
If you really believe that some grave danger or great injustice needs to addressed, then by all means, lay it out for us.
Other than that, why is it so important to get riled up and reach for the hyperbole like dick joke references in your arguments?

What is most important to you in life? Winning arguments?
Are you just not able to deal with the thought of being wrong, or not having the last word on something?
Are you compelled to rachet discussions up emotionally?

But I love both you and phil.
All of this tension and anger has to come down a notch, or one by one, the decent members are going to start disappearing.

Paul has been gone for quite awhile, Jimmy has been absent, Kramer left.
Just not good in my opinion.

(And it would be nice if i could type so i wouldnt have to 'edit' numerous times)

Feel better now gtZip?


One point you might consider...

No one "debates" alone, and no one "argues" alone. Makes sense doesn't it? SOMEONE is arguing with me or debating me, don't you think? Remember them? Am I not allowed to debate and argue with them, as long as they continue arguing and debating with me?

They are perfectly normal for arguing with me, over and over, but if I argue back, then "I" am labelled for it, and accussed of having problems. I'm supposed to give up, when people are debating me I guess?


Yeah, well, sorry.... I choose to KEEP my right to free speech.

See if you have any better luck censoring my opponents.... or do they not merit your special attention also?

You are allowed to debate them, I just dont like seeing things get out of hand.
I have been guilty of getting pissed off and nasty too.

Id rather not do that anymore.
Theres been a whole lot of boredom and frustration with life in general for me, and it has came out on here several times in inappropriate ways.

I'm just asking you to consider the thought 'Am I wrong in what I allow my reactions to become?'

You have the right to defend yourself, of course.
(And no I'm not implying that I give you the right. It's everyones right)

You should know by now that the 'yes it is' and 'ask me first' is just me being my smartassed self.

Sorry I said anything.

I believe in bigfoot.

Personally I enjoy the back and forth with Craig. I admire his debating skills and they ARE skills. What I enjoy even more is observing phil and Craig going at each other. It's a thing of beauty. If you think about it nobody on earth would agree with everything you believe. Variety of thought is what keeps life interesting. Hell most people here are revolted by Country music and that is what I do. Why do I stay here? The variety of discussion that is held together with a musical thread.
I Love it When He Calls Craig a Pompous Ass, that Cracks Me UP.

I believe in Bigfoot too.

ITS CALLED GENERAL CHAT!

LA DEE DAH OK Theres the Music part.

gtZip,

It's cool brother.

I don't like it when people get pissed off and run off either, and of course, "I" am responsible for chasing them off... why? Because of conversations. But it's fine... I get it. I'm being scolded, chastised... marginalized. Sure, I could promise to keep my opinions to myself, because I feel guilty about people's reactions to debating and disagreeing, but.... is that the "right" thing to do?

I don't think so.

And that is the dilemma. Do I allow others to "quiet" me, because they disagree with me, and have decided... "If you can't beat them, marginalize them?"

I'm ashamed actually... of people calling themselves "liberal" and being so coercively censoring. Remember when liberal meant "open minded" and "progressive" and "free speech" and "dissent"

I'll have to think about this.

But I know this... I am NOT going to allow myself to be censored... Regardless of whether the pressure is judicial, societal or penal.

I believe in bigfoot.

Doesn't everybody?

ha ha ha he said penal.

ha ha ha he said penal.