General Music Chat

"we have PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that they have supplied weapons to the insurgents fighting us in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Is this evidence as reliable as that which we used to get our troops into Iraq?

Craig I agree with you also, but when we go to war people in our country have to understand ,as well as our leaders,
WE GO IN TO WIN and even if the global economy suffers short term, we are not going to fight with our hands in cuffs,and no weapons.

The irananian leadership looks at us as a joke, and you are right if they do develope nukes that can be passed off,,,, very scary.

Craig you are one smart cookie.

But I'm having more fun watching what you pull up next

"we have PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that they have supplied weapons to the insurgents fighting us in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Is this evidence as reliable as that which we used to get our troops into Iraq?

Well, our troops are PHYSICALLY STORING this evidence Phil, so Yes.

LOL - But good one!

But as to your point... we can't know for sure that the information was unreliable. Nothing would have prevented Sadaam from destroying any stockpile, especially a small amount, once we started lining troops up on his border again.

But the country needed someone to pay for 9-11, anyway Phil. Sadaam had already used biological weapons against his own people, in defiance of U.N. resolutions. Why not remove him from power? The people of Iraq were happy when we did. And once removed from power... it behooved us, to remain, and try and ensure a stable DEMOCRATIC government, friendly with the U.S.... a Democratic government.. Where?

Where?

Well... SMACK DAB in the center of alot of Middle Eastern Countries! (go look at a world map) where we can also conveniently keep a check on Iran... OURSELVES! And ensure a stead supply of oil. Oil is a national security interest of VITAL importance. Not just to us, but to the world! Iran takes over Iraq, and controls most of the world's oil, and they can raise it to $15.00 a gallon if they wanted to, easily, and break the WORLD'S ECONOMY all by themselves! They proved in the 70's under Carter, that they were willing to do JUST THAT!

Say what you want... FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY worldwide, depend upon, Middle Eastern dictators not being able to put the world's economies into a stranglehold!

SHOOT,,, gotta go,,, wife wants me to do something constructive today,,, whatever the heck that means,

Craig, that sounds suspiciously like Imperialism to me.

Don't like that country's gov't? Oust 'em forcibly with an unprovoked war, & make everyone live in our model of gov't. Then they'll HAFTA be our friends, cuz they'll have the same interests & values as we!

The US has not been at war since the end of WWII by my definition.
( not so sure about WWII sometimes )
The samurai spirit applies in my mind.
Don't draw the sword unless the intent is to use it ruthlessly.
The only "rule of engagement" in true war is the absolute annihilation of your enemy by whatever means necessary.
Then return to peace.

Draw the sword.
Strike down your enemy.
Sheath the sword.

Be it a man, or a country. Those who are know to live this simple creed have no need of posturing or saber rattling.

Ok constructive didn't mean that much work,,,PPHHEEWW.
Face it this whole world is fffffd up.

So how do we fix it?

Invading Iran has been part of the planned agenda for well over a decade. This is just the excuse to do so. I don't believe that Iran is trying to make weapons just because they say so. Remember "they" put Hussein in power then called him a "bad guy" to facilitate invasion. Same with Noriega and the same with the Shaw of Iran... The plan was the same with the Shaw but that got derailed on em... I don't believe a single fukn word our government says.
Not a single fukn word!


"I know my sh*t stinks"

Hayden,,,, Man you really sound like someone that got front row tickets to the "Hellen Back show" .
I can sense your bitterness and frankly I DONT BLAME YOU ONE FKIN BIT.
Our govt is so , so, sssooo often wrong and it just gets glossed over.

As far as Iran I thought the same thing maintain a strong troop presence right next door to Iran.
But maybe by withdrawing as a way to show extreme confidence, we might show a stronger message.

Every country in the world knows that if we unleash the will and might of our military the consequences will be termination.
Even CHINA with millions of troops know it would be termination if we unleashed a few hundred marines or army.

Iran can see the mighty US army bogged down playing policeman. History repeats and everyone says it is normal.

Since we are allready there , how would you feel if we unleashed our dog and took over Iran in less than a day.

Crazy fng world we live in,,, as I get older the less I have any answers.

I SAY DO IT. SEND IRAN BACK TO THE SAND AGE!

Ironically, or 'Iranically, Iran would have little to no problem with being 'liberated', and is pretty much the inverse of Iraq.
Most of the general populance is already westernized, due to a shaws bright idea to bring in satellite television.
In Iran, the leadership and religious leadership is the problem, in Iraq the tribal differences and infighting is the problem (the 'people').

Yeah, Zip. They've already been westernized once (see Shah of Iran, 1976). They shouldn't have a problem at all adjusting!

Dont confuse persians with tribal arabs.

Are you saying that the Shah had no effect on the society? That he didn't help to modernize his nation?

Or are you saying that the Iranian ppl are just more modern & western than the Iraqis for other reasons?