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End times... could be.

But let's also consider everyone who died since Jesus that thought that he too was living in the end times. Did they mis-read the signs? Or is like staring at clouds... you see shapes because you are looking for them?

Your picture of the Apache Assault Chopper... looks just like an assault helicopter to me, nothing like a scorpion.

But if I stick one finger in my ear and another in my eye... Ohh yeah, I see what your alluding to.

Is this what John Saw in his "Revelation"?! Well we'll never know will we? You're making a huge leap of faith, and to be honest... I'm not jumping with ya.

But for certain, 2 centuries of folks trying to convince everyone around them, The End Times are UPON US... and for 2 Centuries, they were wrong.

Now You wanna take a stab at it Craig?

Your picture of the Apache Assault Chopper... looks just like an assault helicopter to me, nothing like a scorpion.

Not a scorpion... a Locust. Kind of like a flying grashopper...








You see no similarity at all, huh?

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Revelation 9:7-9

7. The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8. Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9. They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle.


Human faces?

Maybe because the ancient prophet sees a human face in the cockpit, only in that time, there is no such thing as human flight. So this would be some kind of insect-beast, but with faces that resembled human faces.

Breastplates of Iron?

Self-explanitory.

Wings sounded like the THUNDERING of many horses and chariots rushing into battle?

Ever heard a helicopter?

Yes, I've flown in Helicopters...

Did you translate that from its original inscription or are you relying on an interpretation?

Again... 2000 years of intelligent men making comparisons, now you're tossing your blind guesses into the ring.

You will see whatever you are looking for. The end times will certainly be upon when everyone is convinced they are upon us.

Lemme ask this, God pretty much said his plan to "save" the Earth would require end times to wipe the non believers.

But my reading of it says he gives us the final choice. It doesn't have a set time to happen, its when we've completely lost our marbles.

Now, I see hate and perversions everywhere... Americans and humans in general disgust me. But I also see hope, and Americans and Humans rising up to and above their potential.

So to all of you folks who crave the Rapture to cleanse the world and have everyone bow to the same God in harmony... Peace be with you.

I'll be over here in the camp of folks who live their lives as best they can in harmony with the living world, not craving the after life so badly I'd conjure Demon Locusts from Helicopters.

I'm reminded of the Preacher who asked his congregation to "Raise your hand if you want to go to Heaven". Of course almost everyone raised their hand... except one older gentleman up near the front.

The Preacher was aghast, confronted the old guy... "You don't want to go to Heaven?!

He replies, "I thought you were gathering up a load, and I'm in no hurry."

So, could be end times... could be nasty weather. Lets not try to read the very worst into everything... try to place the most ominous portends upon everyday news events.

If it IS end times, lets not rush it.

Dewy,

You really misunderstand my belief system it seems.

The traditional understanding of "The Rapture" is absolute fiction, based on the best understanding early church fathers could come up with. Amazingly, from so few verses on the subject, even current church leaders, have constructed sermons, books (hell, an entire series of books) and even movies.... all from a small handful of verses. If that is not expounding greatly upon something, I don't know what is.

My focus is NOT the Rapture.

My focus, and the focus God intends for ALL BELIEVERS in Him to keep forefront, is... "Building the Kingdom of Heaven ON EARTH!"

But the series of revelations given to the Apostle John on the Isle of Patmos, was given to him for a reason. And when you read the Book of Revelation, through the prism of an ancient people, who had little scientific knowledge, you can look a little more deeply into what the SAW, and not get hung up on LITERAL descriptions. For example... "Insects with breastplates of Iron?" Such a thing has never, and will never exist. But what would ancient man make of such a sight? He could only compare it to what HE KNOWS at the time. War horses have breastplates of iron, but they cannot fly. But this thing looked more like a locust to John, and it's wings.... wow, much louder than any locust he has ever seen... more like the sound of thundering horses and chariots.

When you approach the Bible, from the perspective of a more ancient people, and realize their deficiencies in science, the more colorful language they used then, and also recognize that man's understanding of God has grown, as greater revelation of Him has been given through numerous millenia, then the Bible remains as revelant today, as each book was, when written, over a period of THOUSANDS of years.

Armageddon, the End Times... these things are prophesied by MANY cultures, over thousands of years, and have numerous similarities across language and cultural barriers and belief systems. These prophecies are ALL based in truth, and future events.

But the END is always the BEGINNING of something else.

Just as a child experiences trauma, leaving the place he was before birth, to begin a new life in new surroundings... so too, does humanity go through "birth pangs" as it passes from an OLD existence to a NEW one.

Yes, there will be tremendous suffering and loss of life, but after these things, an unprecendented peace, as mankind realizes it has almost destroyed itself, and MUST now work together for the survival of ALL HUMANITY.... for the very preservation of the SPECIES!

Remember 9/11?

Remember how there was no black or white, no Democrats or Republicans on that day, and for months afterwards?

Unfortunately, it took a grave tragedy against US ALL, to feel that so strongly. And yet, after a number of months, or maybe a few years... it faded again... but then.... that was only a few buildings going down in flames wasn't it?

That was a "small version" of a wake-up call, for Americans primarily.

The WORLD will get a far graver wake-up call next.

A wake-up call that will last HUNDREDS OF YEARS this time.

It's not God doing the harm, despite ancient man's beliefs. What else could they believe? God controls everything, surely, right? But in fact, God, created the PHYSICAL WORLD to operate INDEPENDENT of His direct input. It is not so much God bringing judgement on us, as us bringing judgement upon ourselves.

It is almost like nature itself, rebelling against us.

I have noticed that religious folks tend to praise God for good things and blame other things (the devil, nature, evil people, etc) when things go wrong. If God existed, was all-poweful and in this universe why wouldn't you attribute EVERYTHING that happens to Him?

"My focus, and the focus God intends for ALL BELIEVERS in Him to keep forefront, is... "Building the Kingdom of Heaven ON EARTH!""

The kingdom of heaven, or the kingdom for christians? They are not interchangeable.

Either way, are you talking about a "perfect" existence? No more death? No more suffering of the little children? No more aging & the pains that go with it? No more hunger or strife or anything bad ever again?

Describe it as you see it to me.

I keep hearing this sort of thing, but I don't get the specifics of it all. After the "final battle between good & evil" is over, what's left? Heck, what's left to build on? The reality of it seems pretty grim to me, & not something that we should be working toward, like when we do stupid stuff like re-establish the country of Israel.

Well I don't know about anyone else but I'm thoroughly captivated by that one 'Golden Mind' that proclaims lucid futures all mixed up with political intrigue, the Palinite epoch, a Godly intervention mixed and dispersed with human devastation.

Why Plato himself could not have stated it all the more believable, even yet unto the unbeliever themselves in attempts at gathering army bound in readiness for the oncoming adventures with our all new super hero at the prow of the boat complete with staff in hand. (Ask the direktor, I think thats a good one to add in please).

I'm actually wanting to got to the latrine but I'm captivated at the yet next installment so much in fact I've removed my shroom tube from its housing in my arm, there's just no need of it any longer!

I'm totally thrilled by it all I am yet I do NEED TO WEE! Oh F$ck! Is that a herring bone on the carpet?

My focus is NOT the Rapture.
Armageddon, Apocalypse, Rapture... they are all terms used to describe some perfunctory cleansing of the Earth so God's True children can flop about prostrate before the ONE GOD (who that is of course depends on the true believer you ask).

That's what you're talking about right? Scrubbing all of the sin from the face of the Earth so the "Devout" can dance on the Heathen graves? I'm sorry... so God's Repentant children can bask in his everlasting glory.

I still think that's all part of the Fairy tale told to sinners to make them behave.

Go ahead, work yourself into a tizzy, get all of your kids ready too. Stop paying the phone bills, stop reading the news... lets all just fall down and pray that we will be included in the chosen few...

Or, we could just do the best we can today... get some rest and have at it again tomorrow.

I think our time would be better spent making music. Your much better at that than Doom forecasting.

I have noticed that religious folks tend to praise God for good things and blame other things (the devil, nature, evil people, etc) when things go wrong. If God existed, was all-poweful and in this universe why wouldn't you attribute EVERYTHING that happens to Him?

I don't think God should be blamed for anything.

I think we should be thankful to God in ALL THINGS, in spite of many people's misuse of the freedoms God granted us all.

We should be thankful for the gift of LIFE itself.

Thankful that there is PURPOSE in the creation.

Thankful that we are LOVED.

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Jimmy, it breaks my heart, that people like you and Dewy and others here, are so opposed to RELIGION that you dismiss God along with it. Throwing out the baby, with the bathwater.

That is how I see it.

You mock the FAITH of religious people, all the while embracing the FAITH found within science. And despite what you would like to bellieve about the scientific process, MUCH faith is often required, or at least allowed for.

The Hadron Collider provides, yet another, recent example of what I am talking about. There are SERIOUS scientists, who believe the set-backs experienced in that project, are due to the Higgs boson. or so-called "God particle" actually "time traveling" in order to prevent our discovery of it.



What realistic premise is that based on? What experiment was performed and then replicated to embolden that hypothesis?

Yet, few people who oppose religion, would even bat an eye at that statement of fanciful mysticism.

Faith and fancy are fine, as long as they come from the scientific community, rather than the religious community, and as long as they are at odds with a "God" and not in support of one.

You guys speak as if NATURE is a god, and that is fine with you... as long as we are not speaking of a "God" beyond nature. Nature can be god... nature can be our creator, nature can be self-existent and without beginning or end... just not "God" Himself.

Think about that seriously for a moment, and ask yourselves WHY that is?

Why can NATURE have all the attributes of godliness, and you are fine with that, but NOT if there is an ACTUAL "God" with those qualities.

It is not about provability. You accept far too many theories, or at least the possibility of those theories being true, when they are not testable AT ALL currently, and are merely intellectual endeavors of imagination. So that cannot be it.

I know what I believe it to be...

You oppose GOD HIMSELF.

The idea that a parent figure exists, and is answerable to. You prefer being "gods" of your own lives, not answerable to ANYONE.

Yet THAT ITSELF... is the ORIGIN of all sin. The origin of ALL hurt and abuse in the world. It alone, is what prevents the world from resembling a place of heavenly quality, and instead, one which resembles a game of survival, and one-upsmanship.

News presenters should not have a view on the news. That is called bias. Equally those of faith or a strong viewpoint should not walk through peoples houses with a wheel barrow and leave muddy prints on floorboards.

The kingdom of heaven, or the kingdom for christians? They are not interchangeable.

Christianity is merely a religion. And religion is merely a TOOL for building self-discipline and a deeper relationship with God.

TOOLS SHOULD NOT BE WORSHIPPED!

We don't worship hammers or screwdrivers.

They serve a specific purpose, in the proper context, and nothing more.

I think God looks forward to the END OF RELIGION.

That is my personal belief.

Religion is a MEANS to having a deeper relationship with God, but it is NOT the relationship itself. THAT is what is most important. THE RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD... not the tools used to facilitate it.

If religion were to continue forever, it would mean that the individual utilizing that tool, was ALWAYS inept at developing an independent relationship with God. It would mean he was PERPETUALLY in a state of separation from God. That is NOT God's ideal or goal.

Either way, are you talking about a "perfect" existence? No more death? No more suffering of the little children? No more aging & the pains that go with it? No more hunger or strife or anything bad ever again?

Wow. You really DON'T read any of my religious theories and beliefs all the way through, do you?


Death was ALWAYS intended for the "physical" world. It is NOT a product of the fall of man. Our physical existence serves a specific, but BRIEF purpose... as such, it was ALWAYS intended to end. The natural state of the PHYSICAL world is "death" and "decay". It is DESIGNED to be temporal and not permanent. It is a SHADOW of the spiritual existence. It is the OPPOSITE of the spiritual existence. The natural state of the physical world is NON-PERMANENCE (as the 2nd law of Thermodynamics attests) whereas the natural state of the SPIRITUAL world is ETERNAL, NOTHING DECAYS, NOTHING DIES. The natural state of the PHYSICAL WORLD is "darkness"... remove the few things (sun, fire, etc...) providing us light, and it is BLACKNESS... COMPLETE DARKNESS. Whereas the natural state of the SPIRITUAL world is ONLY LIGHT... the Bible describes it as not even having SHADOWS... that God Himself ILLUMINATES that existence, so that it is ONLY LIGHT.

The physical world, and the spiritual world, are nearly POLAR OPPOSITES.

So... "No"

The KOH on Earth, has nothing to do with PHYSICAL DEATH and PHYSICAL PAIN... both of which are NATURAL (in this world) and have PURPOSE.

It is people (including some Christians) who do not understand the SPIRITUAL aspect of life, that wish for longer lives, the absence of death, etc... They do not relate much with spiritual things, so they want the things they DO relate with (physical things) to last forever!

But our physical existence was never designed to last forever.

Describe it as you see it to me.

Heaven is a SPIRITUAL STATE of existence. When your spirit is in oneness with God, communing with Him, then your spirit LITERALLY EXISTS in Heaven, for as long as that lasts. The Bible says we should "pray without ceasing" which incidentally, beats the heck out of the commands of other religions who say to pray 3 times daily, or 5, etc...

And it is for that very reason. We should learn to WALK WITH GOD, to be in a prayerful state... EACH MOMENT, of EVERY DAY. Because we are in Heaven SPIRITUALLY when we do.

The Bible claims that Lucifer was THROWN DOWN from Heaven to Earth, after he sinned. But the Bible also claims that Adam and Eve, were CAST OUT of the Garden of Eden, when THEY sinned. Both statements are BASED in truth, but not accurate LITERALLY.

The part that is true in reality, is that SIN REMOVES US from the PRSENCE OF GOD! But it is not God doing the kicking out. It is a NATURAL LAW, much like gravity, only spiritually based.

Lucifer and Adam and Eve sinned, and this REMOVED THEM AUTOMATICALLY from the presence of God!

Prior to sinning, Lucifer was in Heaven, but... SO WERE ADAM AND EVE!

The "Garden of Eden" is not a PHYSICAL PLACE, but a SPIRITUAL PLACE! The Garden was HEAVEN. Before sin, Adam and Eve enjoyed a PERFECT RELATIONSHIP with God, in the PRESENCE OF GOD, meaning... IN HEAVEN!

So, what does this mean for the KOH on EARTH?

The KOH on EARTH, simply means that the PHYSICAL STATE OF EXISTENCE, resembles a perfect SPIRITUAL STATE OF EXISTENCE!

In other words, when the majority of the world's peoples, enjoy a relationship with God THROUGH LOVE, in their hearts, on a consistent basis, then THE PHYSICAL WORLD, where our ACTIONS are realized, would begin to resemble this change of heart.

When our HEARTS are more loving, our ACTIONS will become more loving.

That is ALL the KOH on EARTH is... Societies ruled by LOVE... above money, above self, above even LAWS.

Many societies have improved throughout history... with equal rights, civil rights, termination of slavery, fading of dictatorships, etc... Society is already approaching this NEW AGE. Widespread media and Internet, makes this process that much easier. But the forces aligned against goodness and love and equality, do not want that reality to come about.

Growth, whether physical or spiritual, involves PAIN!

The world is currently going through birth pangs, as the new age emerges, but also GROWING PAINS, as societies progress past historic fears and resentments, and move toward a world based more upon compassion, and equality, and sacrifice for the good of all.

This NEW AGE of common direction, and cooperation, does not mean that sin can never exist again. Sin is sometimes merely a JUVENILE related thing, involving lack of experience or naivety. Children are GROWING and LEARNING... they will sin, as long as the physical world exists. We make mistakes before we learn to correct them, before we fully understand why another way, is smarter and better.... like a child stealing toys from another child.

The difference will be...

That sins by ADULTS would be greatly diminished. And that when children grow up, seeing GOODNESS and KINDNESS and LOVE all around them, as the more normal state of a community's existence, then THEY TOO would emulate those traits FAR MORE EASILY and QUICKLY!

It would be ODD and UNUSUAL and result in SHAME, to be one of the few expressing violence, in a world of peaceful communities. That person would quickly fall back into line, when he was embarrassed at everyone's disappointment... he being the one, that was behaving in a way, reminiscent of the "old ways" or the "primitive ways" that history had been progressing us away from for many millennia.

When such society's progressed, with minor set backs here and there, until there were no set backs any longer... and no one could even remember in recent memory, when the last war was... and eventually even, when the last murder was, then the force of history's lessons, becomes even more profound, and the SHOCK of betraying civility again, would become even more pronounced and abhorrent.

When the world was finally living in peace, for the common good... countries in cooperation with one another... ANYTHING that began to betray that enlightened state of existence, would be rectified immediately, as NO ONE would be in a hurry to return to the days of HATRED, and FEAR and INTOLERANCE.

THAT would be the KOH on EARTH.

And God is working to see those days arrive, so that we (humanity) can explore the Cosmos, and find other worlds to settle. god did not create such a vast Cosmos merely to impress us, or to look at little pieces of it, through telescopes. He created it, for us to have room to EXPAND into countless future generations.

But until we realize our common destiny as a SPECIES, and learn to cooperate and turn away from a history of war, He cannot allow us the knowledge that could accomplish this. We would pollute the Cosmos as opposed to Earth alone. He cannot allow us to spread our FIGHTING, and SELFISHNESS into the greater Cosmos, which would in turn result eventually, in wars between PLANETS, rather than merely countries. He wants us to solve those issues NOW, and then, He will open our minds to greater levels of scientific understanding, which would then be used for the BENEFIT of humanity... and not it's DESTRUCTION!

That's a very nice view of things. It's not what I would want or expect from a "cleansing process," though.

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