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#104103 by philbymon
Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:24 pm
Oh I get it!

Since she couldn't get into national politics the usual way, she's gonna try Al Franken's route.

BRILLIANT, if not for the fact that overexposure will undoubtedly prove how dim of wit & uninformed she truly is, unlike Franken.

I guess next we can expect a book from her, titled with something like "John Stewart's (or, perhaps, "Al Franken's") a Big Fat Liar."

I can hardly wait!

#105373 by CraigMaxim
Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:19 am
http://www.jewishjournal.com/keepingthefaith/item/defending_sarah_palin_over_a_glass_of_kool-aid_20100305

JewishJournal.com
March 5, 2010
Defending Sarah Palin Over A Glass of Kool-Aid
by Ilana Angel


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I wrote a blog yesterday about meeting Sarah Palin. Oh. My. God. Never before has there been such an outpouring of both love and hate, for both Sarah and me. It would not stop, and continues to come in this morning.

I have received a lot of reader comments during my time writing for the Jewish Journal, but never have I received as much as I did after this blog. I invite you to take a look at some of those comments, at the bottom of yesterdays article.

Let’s get a few things straight. I am a Democrat. I believe in gay marriage. I do not support hunting, or gun ownership. I will fight for a woman’s right to have an abortion. I am a Jew. I love Israel. I also happen to think that Sarah Palin is a cool lady.

I did not write a political blog yesterday. I wrote about having a chance encounter with someone in the public eye, who I happen to think is interesting. Just because I think her politics are scary, does not mean that I can’t think she is a nice human being.

Conservatives wrote fast and furious to let me know they respected the bravery of my article, considering I was not a supporter of Sarah as a politician. I think it’s a sad day in America when people feel the need to commend you for being decent.

Liberals wrote to say that I took my picture with Hitler, was fraternizing with the enemy, and should be ashamed of myself. Six of my “friends” were so disgusted with my blog, that they decided to “un-friend” me on Facebook.

Listen to me people, just because you talk to a woman about glasses, purses, children, and dating, does not mean that you are going to sit down for a glass of Kool-Aid, and give up on everything that you believe in. Liking Sarah Palin is not a sin. Judging her as a politician, rather than a human being, is.

“A card carrying Democrat”, wrote to say I was going to hell, my Jewish son would soon take Jesus into his heart, and then bring home his pregnant teenage girlfriend, if I spent another moment buying into the rhetoric of Ms. Palin. To that charming writer, I say, kiss my ass.

People became ugly, unkind, and quite frankly, un-American. It was just a blog! I did not change my party, shoot a wolf from a helicopter, or decide to become a Christian. Why is it so hard for people to separate out someones religion or political party, from their simply being a person?

We are all free to have an opinion. Regardless of what we think, or know about Ms. Palin, as someone who has met her, but certainly does not claim to know her, I will say again, that she is lovely, and no one is going to bully me into thinking differently.

I hope that Sarah Palin is never elected as President of the United States. I hope that Sarah Palin knows that she is always welcome in my home. I hope that Sarah Palin and I can one day have a beer, sit and chat about our kids, and dance at her sister’s wedding.

To all the haters, you will never have peace in your life when it is so filled with hate. And one more thing, when Sarah comes over to my house for dinner, I am going to serve her Kool-Aid! Maybe she will leave craving matzo ball soup, and planning her grandson’s Bar Mitzvah!

Shabbat Shalom. I wish you all a wonderful weekend. Love your kids, be kind to others, and see people at human beings first. I hope all our troops come home soon, safe and healthy.

To Sarah Palin, I again want to say that it was a pleasure meeting you. No matter how fabulous your Prada boots are, I would never want to spend a day in your shoes, and have to deal with the hate that is projected towards you. That said, you have a lot of fans who support you. You can be proud, as they were kind to me, and represent you well.

I’m over talking about it now, and I am done with my foray into politics. I have a date this weekend, and perhaps he will be my last first date ever. Not sure it’s possible, but I believe it can be, and that is half the battle. I will always keep the faith.

Yesterdays Blog:
http://www.jewishjournal.com/keepingthefaith/item/sarah_palin_my_unexpected_new_bff_20100303

#105453 by philbymon
Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:44 pm
She's back on the campaign trail with...you guessed it...MCCAIN!!!!

They evidently solved thier differences...

Cracks me up to see her backing Reps, after she was blamed for being a huge part of McCain's failure to win the pres ticket, though.

How the hell did this person get to be such a celebrity?

#105476 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:01 pm
because phil she really cares about you.

#105480 by CraigMaxim
Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:15 pm
philbymon wrote:
She's back on the campaign trail with...you guessed it...MCCAIN!!!!


She's supporting him in his reelection bid. But she is more popular. The news stations covering it, kept the cameras running on her, for her entire speech... when McCain got up though, they rolled cameras for a few minutes, then cut to commercials.


philbymon wrote:They evidently solved thier differences...


They never had differences.

philbymon wrote:Cracks me up to see her backing Reps, after she was blamed for being a huge part of McCain's failure to win the pres ticket, though.


Anyone blaming her for McCain not winning, is a fool or a liar. Period.

McCain's campaign was dead in the water, until she came aboard. Those are the facts.

philbymon wrote:How the hell did this person get to be such a celebrity?




She is very charismatic and attractive, and as a model modern woman who "does it all", she scares the hell out of the Democrats, who keep writing stories about how "irrelevant" she is, all the while helping keep her... relevant... fools that they are.

Bwahaha!!! ;-)

#105524 by Dewy
Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:34 pm
She is very charismatic and attractive, and as a model modern woman who "does it all", she scares the hell out of the Democrats, who keep writing stories about how "irrelevant" she is, all the while helping keep her... relevant... fools that they are.

The only thing that scares the hell outta me about this woman is the the thought that potentially enough people could be misled into thinking she's qualified to lead this nation.

She's not... I think that's easily and has been repeatedly proven.

I think its sad for the media to keep putting her in the spotlight when its obvious that its a Nascar thing... everyone is just watching for the spectacular crash... secretly hoping for a fatality that they can elevate to Hero Status.

Is she popular with the Joe-Sixpacks across America? Sure... but we wouldn't put the Joe-Sixpacks in charge of anything but a fish fry right? They are not representative of an "ideology" that does anything but drinks beer and hearkens back to the Glory Days.

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In case you didn't know... That is not Presidential Material. Poster Girl for Gun rights activists... ok. I'll buy that. MILF... ok, its plausible.

Presidential? No, not close, not ever.

#105528 by jimmydanger
Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:19 pm
I'm not so worried about her anymore. The latest polls I've seen indicate most Americans do not believe she is qualified to be President. A lot of people identify with her "Gosh darn it I'm a hockey mom" spiel but she has shot herself in the foot so many times that only a minority of conservative Republicans would back her. If she tries to run under a newly-formed "Tea Party" she will fail. The smart Republicans know that the only chance they will have in 2012 is to find a candidate who knows the issues and doesn't stick his/her foot in his/her mouth every time he/she opens it.

#105615 by CraigMaxim
Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:16 am
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703909804575123773804984924.html

The Wall Street Journal
OPINION
MARCH 29, 2010
In Defense of Sarah Palin
She understands that the U.S. has been a force for good in the world—which is more than can be said of our president.


By NORMAN PODHORETZ
Nothing annoys certain of my fellow conservative intellectuals more than when I remind them, as on occasion I mischievously do, that the derogatory things they say about Sarah Palin are uncannily similar to what many of their forebears once said about Ronald Reagan.

It's hard to imagine now, but 31 years ago, when I first announced that I was supporting Reagan in his bid for the 1980 Republican presidential nomination, I was routinely asked by friends on the right how I could possibly associate myself with this "airhead," this B movie star, who was not only stupid but incompetent. They readily acknowledged that his political views were on the whole close to ours, but the embarrassing primitivism with which he expressed them only served, they said, to undermine their credibility. In any case, his base was so narrow that he had no chance of rescuing us from the disastrous administration of Jimmy Carter.

Now I knew Ronald Reagan, and Sarah Palin is no Ronald Reagan. Then again, the first time I met Reagan all he talked about was the money he had saved the taxpayers as governor of California by changing the size of the folders used for storing the state's files. So nonplussed was I by the delight he showed at this great achievement that I came close to thinking that my friends were right and that I had made a mistake in supporting him. Ultimately, of course, we all wound up regarding him as a great man, but in 1979 none of us would have dreamed that this would be how we would feel only a few years later.

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Associated Press


What I am trying to say is not that Sarah Palin would necessarily make a great president but that the criteria by which she is being judged by her conservative critics—never mind the deranged hatred she inspires on the left—tell us next to nothing about the kind of president she would make.

Take, for example, foreign policy. True, she seems to know very little about international affairs, but expertise in this area is no guarantee of wise leadership. After all, her rival for the vice presidency, who in some sense knows a great deal, was wrong on almost every major issue that arose in the 30 years he spent in the Senate.

What she does know—and in this respect, she does resemble Reagan—is that the United States has been a force for good in the world, which is more than Barack Obama, whose IQ is no doubt higher than hers, has yet to learn. Jimmy Carter also has a high IQ, which did not prevent him from becoming one of the worst presidents in American history, and so does Bill Clinton, which did not prevent him from befouling the presidential nest.

Unlike her enemies on the left, the conservative opponents of Mrs. Palin are a little puzzling. After all, except for its greater intensity, the response to her on the left is of a piece with the liberal hatred of Richard Nixon, Reagan and George W. Bush. It was a hatred that had less to do with differences over policy than with the conviction that these men were usurpers who, by mobilizing all the most retrograde elements of American society, had stolen the country from its rightful (liberal) rulers. But to a much greater extent than Nixon, Reagan and George W. Bush, Sarah Palin is in her very being the embodiment of those retrograde forces and therefore potentially even more dangerous.

I think that this is what, conversely, also accounts for the tremendous enthusiasm she has aroused among ordinary conservatives. They rightly see her as one of them, only better able and better positioned to stand up against the contempt and condescension of the liberal elites that were so perfectly exemplified by Mr. Obama's notorious remark in 2008 about people like them: "And it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

But how do we explain the hostility to Mrs. Palin felt by so many conservative intellectuals? It cannot be differences over policy. For as has been pointed out by Bill Kristol—one of the few conservative intellectuals who has been willing to say a good word about Mrs. Palin—her views are much closer to those of her conservative opponents than they are to the isolationists and protectionists on the "paleoconservative" right or to the unrealistic "realism" of the "moderate" Republicans who inhabit the establishment center.

Much as I would like to believe that the answer lies in some elevated consideration, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the same species of class bias that Mrs. Palin provokes in her enemies and her admirers is at work among the conservative intellectuals who are so embarrassed by her. When William F. Buckley Jr., then the editor of National Review, famously quipped that he would rather be ruled by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone book than by the combined faculties of Harvard and MIT, most conservative intellectuals responded with a gleeful amen. But put to the test by the advent of Sarah Palin, along with the populist upsurge represented by the Tea Party movement, they have demonstrated that they never really meant it.

Whether Buckley himself really meant it may be open to question, but it is certain that his son Christopher (who endorsed Mr. Obama) does not now and probably never did. Listen to the great satirist who blogs under the name of Iowahawk, writing in the fictional persona of T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII, son of the founder of The National Topsider, which he describe as a "once respected conservative magazine" now controlled by a bunch of "state college neanderthals."

"For more than a year," Van Voorhees tells us, "I have warned that . . . the conservative movement risked abandonment by its few remaining serious intellectuals"—"luminaries" like "the vivacious [Washington Post columnist] Kathleen Parker, Dame Peggy Noonan, and those two mighty Davids of conservative letters, Frum and Brooks"—and "being overrun by the unsightly hordes of Wal-Mart untermenschen typified by the loathesome 'Tea Party' rabble" with their "base enthusiasms and simian grunts. As is now obvious, events have proven me right."

I fear that the attitude satirically exaggerated here by Iowahawk is what underlies the rejection of Sarah Palin by so many conservative intellectuals. When push came to shove, they could not resist what Van Voorhees calls Mr. Obama's "prodigious oratorical and intellectuals gifts" and they could not resist attributing Sarah Palin's emergence as a formidable political force to "the base enthusiasms and simian grunts" of "the loathesome Tea Party rabble."

As for me, after more than a year of seeing how those "prodigious oratorical and intellectual gifts" have worked themselves out in action, I remain more convinced than ever of the soundness of Buckley's quip, in the spirit of which I hereby declare that I would rather be ruled by the Tea Party than by the Democratic Party, and I would rather have Sarah Palin sitting in the Oval Office than Barack Obama.

Mr. Podhoretz was the editor of Commentary from 1960 to 1995. His most recent book is "Why Are Jews Liberals?" (Doubleday, 2009).

#105626 by Dewy
Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:52 pm
I remain more convinced than ever of the soundness of Buckley's quip, in the spirit of which I hereby declare that I would rather be ruled by the Tea Party than by the Democratic Party, and I would rather have Sarah Palin sitting in the Oval Office than Barack Obama.

Is that the way you feel about it Craig? I'd rather know your thoughts than NORMAN PODHORETZ'S.

#105628 by jimmydanger
Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:19 pm
Buckley was a dumbass...a political party doesn't "rule" anyone. This isn't a monarchy. The majority of Americans elected Obama; if conservatives would quit crying about it and get to work they might have a chance in 2012. But I doubt it.

#105646 by philbymon
Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:37 pm
Ya know, I find it interesting to note that if she'd quit attacking ppl, she'd prolly need to defend herself (or have so many others defend her) a LOT less. Craig, have you become so blind that you can't see any reason for our ire when it comes to this sort of person?

This is my largest problem with these "grass-roots" movements like the "Tea Party." They don't seem to be "for" much of anything, esp when someone mentions a much-needed improvement - you name it & they're agin it.

Yeah, I'm against the partisan politics that has overrun our system, too. Just once, I'd like to see ppl standing up for improvement.

Take the health care crisis that we all face, or will, at some point in our lives. Does no one in these outfits ever look to see where the $ goes, how it's wasted on personal greed, or how it could be better spent?

Palin doesn't know or care, evidently. She'd much rather limit what I can sue for in a lawsuit against a Dr who did his job poorly, & who caused me harm, than to limit what a co can make off my meds. She's much more apt to blame me for suing that Dr who was negligent than to blame the Dr, or the co's that stiff me or give me nothing for my premiums. She sure isn't looking at MY interests, nor yours, unless you own a lot of stock in some insurance or pharm co. When she starts actually looking at the real problems, I might take her seriously, but as long as she does nothing but rail against ppl trying to get what thay pay for, she's just another corporate puppet who deserves none of my attentions, other than to stand firmly against her & what she evidently stands for - corporate profit over my health & well-being.

#105671 by Sir Jamsalot
Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:27 pm
jimmydanger wrote:Buckley was a dumbass...a political party doesn't "rule" anyone. This isn't a monarchy. The majority of Americans elected Obama; if conservatives would quit crying about it and get to work they might have a chance in 2012. But I doubt it.


currently the democrats run the show, so in that sense, yes it is a monarchy. There's nothing republicans can do to keep legislation from passing except sway public opinion, which the current administration seems to ignore.

#105672 by jimmydanger
Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:35 pm
The Democrats tried to reach out to the Republicans and incorporate their ideas into the Health Care bill but they refused to become involved. Now they say they're refusing to work with the Democrats unless it's an emergency. They're being childish and are poor role models for any young person studying politics.

#105677 by philbymon
Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:40 pm
Hey Chris, do you really think the administration should address the far right's claims that they are setting up death camps? That sort of reasoning does nothing to address any issue in reality. Unfortunately, it presses a lot of buttons in the fearful, like the rumor that Obama was born in Kenya, or that he's a socialist.

I'd feel a lot more comfortable with thier ideas, if they had any that would work for me instead of working for some mega-corp.

The current administration was elected because of those things that they're trying to implement. That was thier platform. The opposition lost, but they're still campaigning against the Dems instead of handling those problems they were hired to address.

The ppl have spoken. They've made it pretty clear what they want. The Reps took it upon themselves to teach us in whatever way possible that that which we want is not what we want, instead of trying to provide us with that which we want. They don't need facts when they can tweak emotions, & they can continue to work against the common good forever, as long as they keep pushing the buttons of ppl to the point that they actually attack our elected officials.

Seems to me that they're working against our interest, rather than for it...but what do I know? I'm just a dumb uneducated WV'ian who's been hurt by the present system enough to know that I want no more of it...

#105682 by Chippy
Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:53 pm
Nah Mr. Maxim is right.

She's Charismatic and I think that is where it ends for me, however cute.
I do think a union between her and prime-minister Putin would be a good union? It's how things were done in the day.
This would procure an 'almost' everlasting peace between the two NON combating nations.

Well I'm glad that is sorted. :D

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