General Music Chat

Oh yeah - wait 6 months for care, cuz you had it before you were hired. So, no care for 6 months, then, while you are in pain or in need of treatment. Results are still that the ins co gets your $ & doesn't give you care when you need it.

S'cuse me for the misinfo.

Sarcasm noted.

If I were a doctor, I would only charge 50 bucks per hour for surgery. Unless the doctor next door charged 49 bucks, then I'd do 48 to make sure I got the business.

Why are there are so many doctors out there who charge infinity for their services, when there are people like me who would only charge $48 per hour? In fact, if someone came to me and said, "you know what? these are tough times and I can't afford $48/hour for this surgery...", I might, out of the generosity of my good-will, do it for much less (to cover the cost of whatever employees get paid), or even free if it's a life/death thing and I could afford to do it.

Is there an inherant base-cost for just being a doctor these days? What do you think that base-cost is comprised of?

It's a serious question. I mean even vets charge like $600/night to monitor a rabbit's health if it comes down with Snuffles. I know, I almost paid it, but determined a baseball bat was much cheaper (kidding)
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=18+1803&aid=2686.

Sans, you're in the industry - got the scoop?

Thats what I've been saying,,, We don't know where the money is being wasted and because so much is wasted to many people are getting stomped on.

ALL THE HEALTH CARE BILLS IN THE WORLD WON'T HELP,,,,,,,

Till we understand the problem.....

I know this guy locally. His wife has SEVERE back pain.

She went to see a local dr. They prescribed 3 steroid shots over time.

The 1st one went very well. She felt better, even walked around for a while.

The next one, the dr informed them he was going on vacation and then gave her a different steroid (no one knows why still).

Long story short, she had an anaphylactic reaction and died. It took 24 hours and she screamed all the way down.

Now the dr. is saying he had nothing to do with it and it's not his fault.

IF YOU ARE A DR> YOU BETTER BE MORE WORRIED ABOUT YOUR HIPPOCRATIC OATH THAN HOW MUCH YOU CHARGE, ELSE YOU MIGHT LIVE TO REGRET IT.

Especially if you faq with the wrong people, you might regret an awful lot. Folks might even drive on over to your palatial mansion and do you up like a goose on xmas.

Do I care how much the stinking rich dr's charge? Not at all.
Do I care that you consider the hippocratic oath as so much wasted lip service? You bet.

DR. please remove your head from your ass unless you want to see if the crowd around Frankenstein's castle wants to come over to your place and it would not be for tea and cookies.

Oh and you better cut your vacation short, just in case one of your patients dies while you are gone, but under your care. (oops, NEXT ORGAN DONOR)

Don't bitch about it, run for office and quit hiding behind your computer.

Otherwise you are about as useful as your mama's dildo minus batteries.

Steely Dan to the rescue, make sure you wash that crap off after you remove it else she'll know you stole it again.

Quoted for truth.

Wow, the air is pretty heavy in here. I thought this place was about music. For what its worth, if you want to know how to become rich, study politics. If you want to understand the world, study economics.

How about a musical question - At the end of Sweet Home Alabama, what does Ronnie say after "Smile, Pop..."

Dewy , you are not self taught,,, You are BRAINWASHED.
I said self educated, no opportunity to subscribe to any one's brainwashing. My teachers were many and varied. Textbooks, websites, service manuals, trial and error... but perhaps the single best source has been old men. They have taught me because I listened... because I got in the muck and did whatever needed doing... and gave them the respect for having done it before me.

Since posting in this forum I have been accused of "Liberal" Brainwashing... when in fact I am quite conservative. I think perhaps the truer use of the word can be applied. Rather than having only the crap in my head one side or the other has tossed out, I have a "clean slate" to do the math on.

I believe in balanced budgets across the board, city, state and federal. Do any of the conservatives out there want to explain how they are going to balance the federal budget without containing health care costs?

Anyone want to explain to me why the "conservatives" we just voted out of office didn't maintain the balanced budget we elected them for? Why are we giving the BS they mutter ANY credit? Death Panels? Socialism? Tax and Spend? Cap and Trade? All bullshit folks... you know it, the world knows it, yet some of you can't seem to get a clean slate to do your own math.

I believe in every adult in this nation being properly trained and carrying a hand gun. I disagree with selling them to anyone who has the cash... which is pretty much the "Capitalist" way of doing things... not very conservative.

So Glen, please expand on your suggestion that I am brainwashed. Please reveal the nefarious institution behind my incapacity to make my own judgments on any given topic.

They intend to collect taxes for four years before the plan ever kicks in.
Its called Phased Implementation... overhauling 1/6th of how the US spends its money is complex and not something you just "Do". Which of course shoots the argument in the head that its a "Government takeover".

Also many facets of the plan are going into effect by the end of the year:

Day One Up To 90 days

The most immediate effect will be the tax credits given to small businesses that provide coverage for their employees, and closing the medicare part D “donut hole.” 35% of the premiums will be available for those companies that offer coverage to their employees, this amount will increase to 50% in 2014. Those that fall into the “donut hole” gaps will be given a $250.00 rebate with a 50% discount on medications starting in 2011. This hole is to be be closed by 2020. 90 days after the bill is signed a “High Risk” pool will be created for individuals uninsured due to preexisting conditions.

Effective At 6 Months And On January 1, 2011

6 Months after the enactment there will be no more denying coverage to children with preexisting conditions, this changes to all persons in 2014. Allows parents to keep children on their insurance until the child’s 26th birthday. Companies would be prevented from dropping coverage due to illness, also stopped is the lifetime caps on coverage. Annual limits will be tightly restricted, the resttrictions will be defined by the HHS, with annual caps being eliminated by 2014. In 2011 co-payments and deductibles for seniors will be eliminated for preventative care in the Medicare program. 80%-85% of premiums must be spent on medical services, if this criteria isn’t met then the company will have to rebate the remainder to their policyholders.

I see nothing in the current legislative acts that will effect this in any way but negatively.
Are we looking at the same bill? The one that will open up insurance markets for consumers that are currently "protected" and only a few competitors are allowed in?
Do you see the Medicare Prescription plan "Doughnut Hole"being fill by Pharma with Millions paid into the system EVERY YEAR?! Millions I might add given to them by the previous administration.

I think you need to review the FACTS of the bill... quit listening to Fox news and RNC talking points.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act


As for not wanting insurance... well sure, but I didn't see too many folks standing up to be counted for "socialized" health care. In that regard you have a handful of choices.

Gov. Pays everyone's bill... collects taxes and regulates care. That's Cuba, China & Canada's System.

Gov. owns Hospitals, Medical staff are Gov. Employees... That's France and England's system.

Gov. run insurance pool, that's the public option... Gov. Regulates the industry, collections and payouts.

Gov. mandate, regulate, and subsidize a capitalist run insurance pool... that's what we got in the passed bill.

Or what we had, Capitalist system where profit is derived from treating, not curing... and public health care is in decline while we pay twice the cost of the rest of the world to be less healthy.

Here's wishing all of us and those we love a healthy life until the day they shed the mortal coil. But just in case... no matter how you were covered before, you just got a little security in the health care department, courtesy of the Democratically elected democratic party with NOT 1 vote from the Democratically elected Republican representatives.

Now they and lots of misinformed or misguided folks want to repeal that... in any way they can... Derail Health Care reform is the platform. Listen carefully, inform thyself, and vote thy conscious this November my friends.

Dewy you just proved how brainwashed you are when compared yourself as a conservative communist. Even the republicans better run for cover.
This is not about healthcare reform....This about big govt not being the solution,,,, this about big govt being the problem.. AT all levels.

You can not mandate sharing,,,, Even the wealthy even the poor understand the value of sharing,,,,,It is the right thing to do. SHOULD I REPEAT THIS!!!

Mandating sharing by law goes against the very will of God,,,, Sharing has to come from free will, free spirit, and the deepest of love for your fellow man. SHOULD I REPEAT THIS ALSO!!!

All the communist history has just shown hate theft and murder.

No society is perfect,,, but Americans ,as we are now, seem to be the most caring, giving and loving people in the world,,,,WHY ARE YOU SO HELLBENT TO CHANGE THAT?

Health insurance co's show very little profit. Once you require them to cover more you are lowering an already small profit margin,unless you allow them to raise rates. If you put them out of business, there is less competition. rates will rise.

Don't bother me,,, any new costs ,taxes ,and expenses ,,,,will just be passed on my customers,, REMEMBER ,,,,,PASS IT ON DOWN THE LINE!

How about a musical question - At the end of Sweet Home Alabama, what does Ronnie say after "Smile, Pop..."

Ronnie says what?

Good idea for a thread though...

"Spoken Parts of Songs"

Dewy you just proved how brainwashed you are when compared yourself as a conservative communist.
So you're saying Communist Conservatives have brainwashed me? I don't even know what the hell that is... which party represents the Communist Conservatives? Please point out where I am communist in philosophy... because having studied communism I think its a fine plan, with no humans involved. Humanity will corrupt ANY system... and thus Pure Communism has failed every time. I do not suggest any differently.

Socialism is alive and well in many forms, but again, you nutcases have "redefined it" to mean something terrible. Social being the root word, any "national government" has programs that are based on "socialist" principles, without being a "Socialist" government. But I'm getting off track, because you called me a Communist, not a socialist, which I would actually be closer to.

Let me put some words in your mouth you can try to use against me. I could be compared to a PROGRESSIVE SOCIALIST... except that I am too conservative in many of my beliefs.

Mandating sharing by law goes against the very will of God
Ohh, I didn't know you were a Theologian. So its ok for GOD to mandate you tithe 10%, and to tell you to obey the laws of man... but not ok for the laws of MAN to mandate you see to your health.

I think you'd better stay clear of the religious angle... you froth too much.

Just curious, why are you suddenly challenging Federal Law with "God's Intent"? Do you personally know God and can get a note from him to excuse you from ObamaCare? I think you, and God Bless their Soul, the Repubs have little facts to fall back on now they have been routed from Waterloo, and are now calling forth the soldiers of God, the truly Brainwashed to step up and revolt.

Be careful when you call on God, because you can't call him off, and none of us are without sin my friend.

Health insurance co's show very little profit.
We've had that conversation before my "friend who doesn't listen". The figure you are talking about is PERCENTAGES... they show little "PERCENTAGE" of profit... a 5% profit on $1000 is more than a 30% profit on $50... get that?

Health Insurance companies report a 5% profit, after spending Millions in Lobbying congress, millions in advertising in areas with little or no competition, and spending millions in accounting tricks to show little profit. Still they show BILLIONS of Dollars in profit... much more than millions of small businesses they raised rates on.

The problem is clear... go read this "conservative" report:
http://conservativepatriothq.com/2010/02/13/obscene-health-insurance-company-profits-for-2009/
Notice they play down "reports" of amounts by only giving you the percentages... but they have hundreds of ways to play with "profit" numbers.

But lets get down to facts... you make a Million bucks this year? Well, Health insurance companies made Millions this QUARTER! Rest of the economy is in a slump and Health Insurance companies are showing nice profits.

UnitedHealth Group had reported its earnings for the second quarter of 2009, which beat analysts’ expectations with profit of $859 million. Still, other quarters have been more profitable for the insurer, such as the first quarter of 2008, when profit rang in at $994 million.
But for some reason you still want to poor mouth for them... do they pay you to post here? They certainly make enough to... and you spew their pathetic little numbers crunch like they are barely scraping by with $994 Million in profits over a 3 month period.

That's AFTER they spent 20-30% of income for administration costs to review cases for denial to increase profits. New Health Care Law prevents them from dropping folks as much as it can... and tells them to spend at least 80% of income to pay costs.

No society is perfect,,, but Americans ,as we are now, seem to be the most caring, giving and loving people in the world,,,,WHY ARE YOU SO HELLBENT TO CHANGE THAT?
Lets see... we were all of that when we established the Constitution... that still allowed for Slavery, and we changed and got better. I'm not suggesting we change being the most generous or free nation... I want to change the nation to be even better.

Do you suggest that we can no longer improve... that this is it, as good as it gets? Would not general Health Care better free us all up in our pursuit of Happiness? Why are you so dead set against improving a system that used to work, before the world changed around us?

Dewy, by the very things you say you put the rules of man above the thoughts of God.
I just plain feel sorry for people like you , you know everything and thats it.
Go back and look at your posts,,, You claim all your beliefs on how well you can twist them to fit your needs which seem to point to you proving your intelligence. That is not in question here.....
You are a very interesting person... When you are handed facts,you deny them,unless you can twist them.
When you are handed a different view you attack it, as stupid.
I can live with all that.......But ...
When you get up in the morning, and the sun is coming up, or the rain is watering the plants and providing again,,Life.
Do you really think that comes from MAN?
When you start to attack in a method that puts man first, God second, then you have taken the first steps down the slippery slope self indulgence,pride,and ego.
Of all the people up here, including Canadians,You are the one that needs prayers,,,,, You got some set, to come at me from that point of view.

hitler did that ,,,REMEMBER,,, OR DO YOU NEED THE FACTS!

Oh by the way Dewy I always try to share much more than a measley 10% and that is pretax and most of it is not a taxable write off any way.
"NO honey ,that's for the food pantry, I don't care if thats your favorite, leave those in the car, so I can drop them off tomorrow."
And No I don't just write a check to the church,,,, most church waste is worse than our govt.

I know this guy locally. His wife has SEVERE back pain.

She went to see a local dr. They prescribed 3 steroid shots over time.

The 1st one went very well. She felt better, even walked around for a while.

The next one, the dr informed them he was going on vacation and then gave her a different steroid (no one knows why still).

Long story short, she had an anaphylactic reaction and died. It took 24 hours and she screamed all the way down.

Now the dr. is saying he had nothing to do with it and it's not his fault.

IF YOU ARE A DR> YOU BETTER BE MORE WORRIED ABOUT YOUR HIPPOCRATIC OATH THAN HOW MUCH YOU CHARGE, ELSE YOU MIGHT LIVE TO REGRET IT.

Especially if you faq with the wrong people, you might regret an awful lot. Folks might even drive on over to your palatial mansion and do you up like a goose on xmas.

Do I care how much the stinking rich dr's charge? Not at all.
Do I care that you consider the hippocratic oath as so much wasted lip service? You bet.

DR. please remove your head from your ass unless you want to see if the crowd around Frankenstein's castle wants to come over to your place and it would not be for tea and cookies.

Oh and you better cut your vacation short, just in case one of your patients dies while you are gone, but under your care. (oops, NEXT ORGAN DONOR)

I thought anaflactic was where it swelled your throat shut?

Anyways... I agree.
Take your sh*t seriously or else.

I think it is.. gulp .. she slowly basically choked to death in the local hospital.

Shoot me please (in the face or in the heart) but don't asphyxiate me..

Ok maybe that Dr. was just unlucky, but they should remove 2 fingers and his Dr's license, maybe 1 testicle to drive the point home..

Or something worse.

He's just lucky it wasn't someone I am related to. That would make me kill, no question. He'd be lucky if I didn't water board him so it took 24 hours like that poor woman.

(On my list that is THE WORST way to go)