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Glen, yer killin' me!

If it is in the Bible, I DON'T ignore, (or) try to re-write anything written there.

I respect everything you said in your comment Groove.

This is part of the problem I encounter trying to help educate other Christians on how to use and understand the Bible properly, and KEEP it a moral force for good.

I do not IGNORE any parts of the Bible, and I do not encourage anyone else to IGNORE any parts of the Bible either.

I am not proposing IGNORING the Bible, but instead, putting the parts of the Bible in their "proper perspective".

As Phil mentioned before, there would appear to be TWO DIFFERENT GODS in the Bible... the Old Testament God, and the New Testament God. The traditional Christian rationale for this, is Jesus as a dividing line, but this cannot explain the dichotomy. People could be saved BEFORE Jesus' sacrifice on the cross. And God's heart towards us never changes. If God coming to Earth in the form of Jesus, would change all the rules, then why not do that IMMEDIATELY after Adam and Eve fall? Why wait thousands of years before sending us a Messiah?

No, it cannot be that "God changed" in all that time. It must be that "man's understanding" of God's heart changed. That the closer the prophets hearts got to God's, the more clearly they understood His revelations and His will for humankind.

It is not "God" who changed, but "mankind" who changed.

But, the fact that well-meaning men of the Old Tesatement in particular, were "filtering" God's message through the minds of their own fallen nature, and so, making occassional errors as a result, is clear enough, just in the story of Noah, and the Rainbow. Ancient men did not understand the physics behind how rainbows form in the sky, or anywhere else for that matter. And the real kicker, is the statement that God placed his bow there, not only as a covenant, but as a REMINDER TO HIMSELF, not to wipe out the world with water again! God, Creator of the Cosmos, does not require visual aids to remember ANYTHING!

This statement alone, contradicts with other passages in the Bible which claim God as omnicient (all knowing). But just because there is ancient "myth" contained in the Bible, is not a reason to disavow the Bible, or not to head it's moral messages. Myth after all, usually contains "truths" contained in the stories they tell. And there is no difference here. There are many valuable messages found in the creation stories, and early myths, like Noah and the Ark. They still have moral AUTHORITY, they simply need to be looked at, as MYTH, teaching moral lessons... much in the way that Jesus used PARABLES to teach moral lessons.

Throw it out, and witness even MORE moral decay.

I agree with you.

The Bible is the most powerful book of text, that exists for changing the hearts of humankind. It is profound. It is inspired by God. One can spend a lifetime, exploring it's depths.

But again, it is "inspired" of God.

Not God's own handwriting.

There "IS" a difference.

And when we recognize this difference, en masse, possibly some modern and educated people who don't even bother reading it, because of it's obvious scientific errors, may change their minds, so they can find it's "TRUE VALUE" which is an historic record, of God reaching out to the hearts of humanity, to save them, love them, and bring them to holiness and eternal life. It is a record that, for THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of years God has been seeking the restoration of our hearts, to His. He loves us, he wants us to grow and lead meaningful and product lives, and for His love to not only occupy the hearts of men, but occupy the world, and for this world to function together through LOVE above all else. To recorgnize, that not only is God our Parent, but that his children, this world, is a family!

Well, I have only read (two) pages of this thread. That was enough for me to decide to respond.
I am sorry to say, that at this time I don't attend church regularly. But, I did when I was a child. And, I was taught what is written in the Bible. If it is in the Bible, I DON'T ignore, (or) try to re-write anything written there. A so-called modern day minister, recently told me, that certain parts of the Bible are out-dated. And, there-fore he chose to ignore those parts, and re-arrange to suit todays life style(in other words re-write the Bible?)
Craig, it would be a very hard pill to swallow, I wouldn't want to have to consider it for myself. But, there was an example in the Bible, where a man was being tested by God. God, told him to kill his son as an offering.
Bottom line; if we choose to re-write the Bible, then the Bible is no good for us anymore. Throw it out, and witness even MORE moral decay.

Are you implying that the Bible hasn't ALREADY been rewritten and reinterpreted? Are you that naive to think that the Bible is worded the exact same way as it was written way back when?

Are you implying that the Bible hasn't ALREADY been rewritten and reinterpreted? Are you that naive to think that the Bible is worded the exact same way as it was written way back when?

It is pretty much worded exactly the way it was, way back when.

The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls between the late 40's and early 50's, testifies to this fact.

If you wanted to argue about the canonization of the Bible... The argument that men played with "which" manuscripts or books, to include or not include, based on personal motivations, you would have a better argument.

I would disagree with it, but it is a more reasonable argument.

Yeah, Like 2 leaders would arise,,,, Both with similar sounding names,,,,[obama ,osama] and they would lead the world to virtual mass destruction.

Hey man, It's to early in the morning for all these negative waves,"Kelly's Heroes".

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-24-noprom-ruling_N.htm

Judge: Lesbian student's rights violated



By Chris Joyner
USA TODAY

ABERDEEN, Miss. — A federal judge ruled Tuesday that the Itawamba County, Miss., school board violated the rights of a lesbian student by canceling the prom when the student challenged a ban on same-sex dates, but the judge stopped short of ordering the district to reinstate the April 2 prom.
U.S. District Court Judge Glen Davidson said he denied the injunction request because a private prom parents are planning will serve the same purpose as the school prom and because "requiring defendants to step back into a sponsorship role at this late date would only confuse and confound the community on the issue."


NIXED PROM: Lesbian gets day in court

Constance McMillen, 18, and the American Civil Liberties Union sued the Itawamba County school district when she was denied her request to bring her girlfriend, a sophomore, to the dance and to wear a tuxedo.

McMillen said she was saddened that the judge did not reinstate the school-sponsored prom, but she understood his reasoning since the private prom is scheduled for the same day in Tupelo.

"It would be hard for him to move it," she said. "A lot of people would be inconvenienced."

Davidson ruled the school board violated McMillen's rights. "The Court finds this expression and communication of her viewpoint is the type of speech that falls squarely within the purview of the First Amendment," Davidson wrote in his opinion.

Davidson said he will hold a trial on the issue later, but he did not set a date.

Parents of students at the Fulton, Miss., high school are organizing the private prom, and school officials testified all junior and senior students would be allowed to attend. It wasn't clear from the testimony whether gay couples would be welcome.

Another prom is being organized by the Mississippi Safe Schools Coalition, an advocacy group for gay and lesbian students.

McMillen said she is considering attending the private prom, once she knows a little more about it. "If I feel like I will be welcome to go, I want to go," she said.

ACLU Mississippi legal director Kristy Bennett called Tuesday's ruling a victory.

"This ruling clearly tells school districts there is a First Amendment right to bring same-sex dates to the prom," Bennett said.

Bennett said she is preparing to take the case to trial. McMillen has asked the judge to declare the board's actions unconstitutional and award her $1 in damages plus court costs.

Benjamin Griffith, an attorney representing the Itawamba County School District, said he was pleased Davidson did not overrule the school board's March 10 decision canceling the dance.

District officials said in court papers they felt not hosting the prom was the best decision "after taking into consideration the education, safety and well-being of our students." About 715 students attend the high school in the town of 4,000 in rural northern Mississippi.

SCHOLARSHIP: Gay Miss. teen gets $30,000 on 'Ellen'

McMillen has appeared on the The Early Show, The Wanda Sykes Show and The Ellen DeGeneres Show discussing the case. DeGeneres presented her with a $30,000 college scholarship from Tonic, a digital media company.

Didn't I say it was a violation of her civil rights?

She didn't take advantage of the situation. A single buck in damages, in spite of all her hassles in this!

Gee, that would make her kind of a *gasp* role model, wouldn't it?

Good person, that.

Well she did get a college scholarship out of it. Plus thousands of new Facebook friends!

FAQ her.
Just what we need more lameasses tying up the courts over silly crap.


Say I got no compassion ... damn straight.

FAQ her.
Just what we need more lameasses tying up the courts over silly crap.


Say I got no compassion ... damn straight.

So you're saying that discrimination is silly crap? I bet you would flip a lid if they banned some black kids from the prom and canceled it because they challenged them. Or, would you?

Just what we need more lameasses tying up the courts over silly crap.

Like Repub State DA's suing the Federal Government?

Asking someone to follow an established protocol or dress code is not discrimination.
This is nothing more than a poor confused and selfish child using a screwed up system to prop up her lacking self esteem.
The subject itself is not even worth of attention. Much less the waste of this much energy and time.

Oh poor pitiful me! (slings arm across forehead)

Just what we need more lameasses tying up the courts over silly crap.

Like Repub State DA's suing the Federal Government?

Neither are silly.


Determining the constitutionality of BOTH issues are HUGE matters.

The only silly crap is the stuff you are writing.[Dewy]
Craig ,I don't know how you have the genious to study this and come to such GREAT arguments.
Thanxs CRAIG!!!!!!!!!!