jimmydanger wrote:
the final blow was that moron yelling "baby killer" while the rep from Michigan was speaking. He neither manned up and owned his remark nor sufficiently apologized for it.
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and it's OK by you guys
It's not ok by me bro.
I think his remarks were uncalled for, and uncivil.
But even still, you should appreciate the anger that pro-life individuals and groups feel, over the prospect of their tax dollars being used to fund abortions, when some of them believe it is "murder".
The language preventing federal funding of abortions, is not in the bill itself, but in an accompanying executive order. The problem they have, is that an executive order means little, when it can be rescinded AT WILL, by another executive order, whether from this president, or any that follow. There are other problems that lawyers for pro-life groups have found with the bill, that could allow other loopholes for federally funded abortions.
Stupak's group of hold-outs would have insured the bill died, forcing further deliberations and possibly, language preventing the use of federal funds for abortion, being included in the bill itself, which would be more difficult to over-turn. (if I understand all this correctly)
And pro-life groups don't trust Obama as it is, when he has previously overturned an executive order which prevented federal funding of international groups if they performed abortions overseas. So he already has a history of overturning executive orders such as this.
This is a HUGELY serious issues to those with pro-life sympathies. To them it is QUITE LITERALLY... life and death.
You have to understand the emotions, that those strongly held beliefs engender.
I think it was wrong, that he didn't own up to his comments right away.
But that makes him a
COWARD, not a liar.
Still, I don't think you should condemn an entire state for it.
And besides... Texas has a hell of alot more weapons than Michigan does. When the country divides into 5 or 6 smaller countries, and Ryan is running things in Texas... you don't want him nuking Michigan first, do you?