General Music Chat

Phil,

We are not disagreeing with WHAT children should be learning, but WHO should be teaching them. Dance lessons in middle school?

I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THAT WITH MY TAXES!

I would rather see the school get a few new computers.

Kids should be learning MANNERS from their parents and families. They can learn social skills from their FAMILIES, CHURCHES, PLAYGROUND, NEIGHBORHOOD, DOJOS, LITTLE LEAGUE, LIBRARIES, etc....

...to which I can only reply - "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

...to which I can only reply - "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Laugh all you want to smartass!

If you want the school system RAISING your children, there is something wrong with you. If you want to contend that some parents don't fulfill their parental responsibilities, then you are right, but trust me on this... there are no shortage of police and judges, who will happily teach them those things FOR irresponsible parents, who don't.

But you are NOT going to intrude on the rights of RESPONSIBLE parents, forcing us to relinquish that role, because of people like you, who want to abdicate their own responsibilities as parents. If you cannot teach your children manners, and enforce them, you are a poor parent. PERIOD!

Pay for dance lessons with your own dime.

Dance lessons. OMG!

Kids today send nude photos of themselves through their cell phones. College age kids invite people to parties where some of them have sex for everyone to video and post on the internet. Other kids buy guns through the internet, and learn how to make bombs and then USE THEM!

We are WAAAAAAAY beyond simple "manners" solving the problem.

START with "manners"... and TEACH THEM AT HOME, from the earliest ages. Give them VALUES. Talk with them EVERY DAY, about the news, and world events, and what is going on in their schools with their friends.

I am involved with giving my kids physical self defense classes at home, as well as psychological strategies, for dealing with bullies, and kids that want to beat them up IN GROUPS in the bathrooms of school, and how to respond to other kids their age, that are talking about sex with other kids in graphic detail, and putting peer pressure on them, and I am teaching them how to respond, so that they avoid it, STAND ON THEIR OWN, on PRINCIPLE, and WITHOUT looking like losers, or weak, or anything else that furthers ideas in other kid's minds, that MY KIDS can be taken advantage of. My kids have turned other kids in for bringing knives to school, and claiming to other kids that they are going to "stick" some kid they have a beef with, when lunch gets over.

My middle step son, who just turned 14, is having SERIOUS conversations with the athesists in his school "STARTED BY THEM" and they challenge his own faith in God, and he WIPES THE FLOOR with their arguments, thanks to his step dad!

Teach the cha cha in school, as a solution to where kids are today?

AAAAHHHHAAA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA!!!!

Backatcha!

You know as well as I do that I'm basically talking about ettiquette, so drop the dance rant, Craig.

I believe I said that manners won't solve all the problems, & I'll bet that your hearing is as selective as your reading, "smartass."

We obviously cannot depend on parents who haven't learned these lessons, themselves, to teach them to the children. It's been at least 5 scholastic generations since these lessons were offered to our nation's children, Craig. You & I obviously weren't taught them with any great success, either, or there'd be a LOT less of the knee-jerk reactions & a lot more thought before we started attacking each other.

I'd surely like to see the future generations to have access to the tools that we've all been lacking for so damned long. There has been a disastrous reduction in respect in our citizenry over these last 50+ years - respect toward each other, for the law & gov't, for thier jobs & bosses, for thier employees, for visitors to our country & the hosts of countries we visit, for just about everything & everyone.

Ppl keep wishing for our schools to "get back to the basics." Those lessons in better interpersonal relations are just as important as math, science, reading & writing & the arts, to our children. We've been remiss in teaching our children how to live in society on every level, & it's gotten worse & worse, for over 50 years. That was when we started experimenting with the system, turning it over to the psychiatrists & psychologists, & in thier tender care, we have taught our children to be cynical, & little more.

SG said the lessons he learned in school were all but worthless. I know a bunch more who would agree.

I'd love to be able to bring a great teacher from the past & put them into our present school system, & just watch the horror on thier faces as they saw the current curriculum unfold before them.

We've left these lessons of ettiquette to the parents for decades, but the parents are NOT the best to teach these things. Thier role takes place in the home, where the rules of behavior are more lax than they are in public, Craig. And now that those parents have no idea where to begin, you want THEM to teach these valuable lessons?

Again, all I can do is LOL, cuz it ain't happened for the last 50+ years for an awful lot of ppl in this country.

An apple a day fulfills your RDA of pesticides

Awe man, I just ate a humungous apple my wife picked up at the store yesterday, then I read your sig... sigh.

I hope you washed it, Chris! (for all the good THAT wil do!)

I believe I said that manners won't solve all the problems, & I'll bet that your hearing is as selective as your reading, "smartass."

You would win that bet, Phil. I spent 8 pages trying to clarify an argument I had and he kept picking sentence fragments out of context so he could write paragraphs ranting about how terrible of a person I am. He's all emotion and no logic.

I spent 8 pages trying to clarify an argument I had and he kept picking sentence fragments out of context so he could write paragraphs ranting about how terrible of a person I am.

The parts of your comments that reveal your character, or lack of it, cannot be misunderstood. You painted yourself as only a selfish person, all people in the world as only selfish as well, and you showed your lack of value of human life, throughout. Then you back-peddled when I pointed these character flaws out, and claimed that YOU DO actually help people and try to do good, but still, only for selfish reasons, primarily because it makes you happy... to be weak (following your flawed philosophies).

Your main argument concerning God, as I recall, is pantheistic, that all things are God.

But when I asked you ONCE to summarize your main argument, so I didn't have to look through 8 pages to determine if I overlooked it, you couldn't seem to do that, even though you had no problem making several more comments afterward, about how little intellect I have, as opposed to arguments made out of emotion.

I don't make arguments OUT OF EMOTION, but things I am passionate about, will certainly involve emotion. We are not having a scientific debate about God, you dumbass, because THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE in the strictest sense. So in dealing with unseen (by most) spiritual things, we can only make it an exercise in THEORETICAL pondering. We can not obtain EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE when dealing with ANOTHER DIMENSION that scientific tools have no access to, nor relevance in.

Clearly, you refused to summarize your MAIN position for me, that you felt I had avoided or else, made straw man arguments against, because I have already brought you out of the darkness, like a cockroach caught in the light, and made you look foolish, and worse really.

Now, you find it "safer" to not make arguments anymore, and just lob empty accusations, that anyone here, knows are patently RIDICULOUS! I am very logical person, and devoted thinker and seeker. It's for that very reason, that you won't find me LOYALLY in line with any GROUP. I am as likely to make logical and concise arguments in favor of traditionally CONSERVATIVE ideas, as I am traditionally LIBERAL ones. I generally VOTE as a conservative, because I believe in the CORE VALUES of conservatism, particularly, as TRADITIONALLY DEFINED... which is BEFORE the Christian Hard Right, began taking over the Conservative movement. Traditional strong suits of Conservatism, are SMALL GOVERNMENT - LOW TAXES - A STRONG MILITARY - FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY - A MORAL ORDER.

Our founding fathers OVERWHELMINGLY believed in all those points.

He's all emotion and no logic.

Anyone here, can tell you that I am VERY LOGICAL.

Now, go play somewhere else, or have real conversations.

I spent 8 pages trying to clarify an argument I had and he kept picking sentence fragments out of context so he could write paragraphs ranting about how terrible of a person I am.

The parts of your comments that reveal your character, or lack of it, cannot be misunderstood. You painted yourself as only a selfish person, all people in the world as only selfish as well, and you showed your lack of value of human life, throughout. Then you back-peddled when I pointed these character flaws out, and claimed that YOU DO actually help people and try to do good, but still, only for selfish reasons, primarily because it makes you happy... to be weak (following your flawed philosophies).

Your main argument concerning God, as I recall, is pantheistic, that all things are God.

But when I asked you ONCE to summarize your main argument, so I didn't have to look through 8 pages to determine if I overlooked it, you couldn't seem to do that, even though you had no problem making several more comments afterward, about how little intellect I have, as opposed to arguments made out of emotion.

I don't make arguments OUT OF EMOTION, but things I am passionate about, will certainly involve emotion. We are not having a scientific debate about God, you dumbass, because THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE in the strictest sense. So in dealing with unseen (by most) spiritual things, we can only make it an exercise in THEORETICAL pondering. We can not obtain EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE when dealing with ANOTHER DIMENSION that scientific tools have no access to, nor relevance in.

Clearly, you refused to summarize your MAIN position for me, that you felt I had avoided or else, made straw man arguments against, because I have already brought you out of the darkness, like a cockroach caught in the light, and made you look foolish, and worse really.

Now, you find it "safer" to not make arguments anymore, and just lob empty accusations, that anyone here, knows are patently RIDICULOUS! I am very logical person, and devoted thinker and seeker. It's for that very reason, that you won't find me LOYALLY in line with any GROUP. I am as likely to make logical and concise arguments in favor of traditionally CONSERVATIVE ideas, as I am traditionally LIBERAL ones. I generally VOTE as a conservative, because I believe in the CORE VALUES of conservatism, particularly, as TRADITIONALLY DEFINED... which is BEFORE the Christian Hard Right, began taking over the Conservative movement. Traditional strong suits of Conservatism, are SMALL GOVERNMENT - LOW TAXES - A STRONG MILITARY - FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY - A MORAL ORDER.

Our founding fathers OVERWHELMINGLY believed in all those points.

He's all emotion and no logic.

Anyone here, can tell you that I am VERY LOGICAL.

Now, go play somewhere else, or have real conversations.

See? You've just proven our point. You cannot argue without resorting to petty things like name calling, you have poor reading comprehension (And yes, I summarized my ideas several times in that thread. The only way I could simplify it anymore is by telling you my personal philosophy draws from existentialism, some minor parts of nihilism, and objectivism (And by that I don't mean I've read Rand, Kafka, etc. I mean my ideas are very similar to the general concepts of each philosophy.) And another thing, just because I believe these things does not necessarily mean I act on them. I do not sway towards extremes, I like to middle myself (Don't we all?).

See? You've just proven our point.

Our?

Are you schizophrenic too?

LOL

I'll address your (however many of you there are) other comments later.

It's almost 8:30am and I've been working on a song most of the night.

Gotta get some rest now.

See? You've just proven our point.

Our?

Are you schizophrenic too?

LOL

I'll address your (however many of you there are) other comments later.

It's almost 8:30am and I've been working on a song most of the night.

Gotta get some rest now.

Ours, as in Phil and I. He said something, I agreed with it, etc etc etc.

Getting back to your stance on this issue, Craig - who's going to pay for these extra "fluff" classes, you ask.

Well, if we replaced the fluff we have, say, "Guidance Class," with ettiquette, I doubt it would cost anything at all. Remember guidance class, Craig? That's the one where they work on the kids' self esteem & teach 'em to "take a bite out of crime." This class obviously isn't working, from viewing our crime stats, & I defy you to explain how you can improve one child's self-esteem when this is "taught" to a roomful of 25-30 children. It was a ridiculous idea that hasn't worked.

As I said - the parents aren't as capable to teach this. Hell, at this point I wonder if the TEACHERS are qualified to teach it, but I'm willing to give 'em a chance, with the proper teaching materials. Parents haven't learned it either, Craig. Did YOU learn proper ettiquette? You had a better chance than many of us, with your worldly travels as a youth. The rest of us were back here learning to laugh at what was considered "polite behavior & society."

It's time we caught up with the rest of the world in education, in the behavior of our citizenry, in our tolerance for those who are different, in manufacturing, in health care...hell, you name it, & we're behind, which is pretty bad, considering we're the "best damned country in the world," to so many of our citizens.

I'll repeat myself, in case you missed my point - learning better manners can NOT hurt our children, & it CAN help them throughout thier lives, as they interact with bosses & employees, Dr's & lawyers & injun chiefs, with thier spouses & other family members, & with the world at large. I think it's rather irresponsible to suggest that it isn't needed in our schools, & downright stupid to think it's unnecessary to learn at all.

Teaching our children proper mannerly behaviors will help the teachers to teach, & the students to learn. There would be fewer classroom interruptions, for one thing.

Students that are being graded on for thier manners are more likely to be mannerly, especially in the earliest school years. These behaviors will go with them throughout thier schooling.

Some of the "old ways" were, in fact, better than that with which we replaced them.

I'm sorry for you if you cannot see that.

I just saved a bunch of money on car insurance by switching to...


no car insurance.

Move to Hedgesville, WV, Zip. Cops around here told me that, as recent as 5 yrs ago, 1 in 3 ppl around here had no insurance. At least that's what they found at check points & random stops.

Phil bro, we will never agree on this. Kids throw chairs at teachers today, they punch them, and they bring knives and guns to school and KILL them.

Etiquette classes, in school, are not going to help... IN THE LEAST!

Kids don't do most of what they are asked or required to do NOW! Why would they obey rules of etiquette? They can't obey "sit down in your chair".

Parents are letting VIDEO GAMES and CABLE raise their kids... that is... WHEN they know where there kids even are. And teachers are having sex with their students.

Our society has a MORAL problem Phil... a MORAL PROBLEM!

Not an "etiquette" problem.

This is why SCIENCE is only "one" method of solving society's ills, and not sufficient alone in doing so. God, and CHURCH have never been needed more, than TODAY!

Science can answer "HOW" life came to be, but only religion answers "WHY" ... what the PURPOSE of life is. Without that grounding in faith, which is based on prophets LISTENING TO GOD, then PURPOSE becomes meaningless, and society will follow the paths that some here, already have... LIFE IS ALL ABOUT SELFISHNESS. I AM THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, AND ONLY MY DESIRES MATTER.

Western Civilization in particular is suffering a MORAL CRISIS, and this is almost in direct proportion to the decline of belief in GOD.

The glass of the world's MORAL COMPASS is clouding, and it will become FAR WORSE before it gets better.