General Music Chat

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There's a conservative side to me that thinks that accepting the GLBT agenda sets bad precedents...but there's another side that wants some sort of "fairness."

I'm not at all sure that my conservative side has solid ground to stand on.

No matter how this issue would be handled, there's sure to cause ill feelings somewhere. The way they handled it seems very wrong to me, though.

Lucky she's not in Texas.
She'd probably taken an ass whoopen.
Not for being lez, but for being a selfish bitch.

But, is it "selfish" for a student to want to attend a prom with his or her preferred date? Should we be forcing ppl into our traditional roles, or making an example of them when they speak up for themselves? This student did not cause the cancellation of the prom. It was the school board's decision to do that in the face of what they would consider an embarassment, should they allow her to go to the prom in a tux with her gf.

I have no idea what's really right or wrong in this. Obviously, compromise is not the answer.

Lucky she's not in Texas.
She'd probably taken an ass whoopen.
(...)
for being a selfish bitch.

Many probably felt the same about Rosa Parks.


What's wrong with these people, huh? Fighting for their civil rights, rather than accepting the status quo. It certainly was selfish. I mean, they cancelled the damn thing for EVERYONE now, and for that one night, of trying to take a stand, she gets to enjoy the hatred of an entire school, and the disdain of her entire community, for LIFE! And maybe even have people taking pot shots at her house, or at her family before long! She knew she would get to enjoy all those selfish benefits too, I bet!

So friggin' selfish!!!!

It's selfish to be so bullheaded as to make all your classmates to suffer over a childish whim.
There is nothing sooo important about what she is trying to "gain".
And to equate it with civil rights movements of the past is weak at best.
Even Rosa Parks was smart enough to know when to make concession.
Besides a prom in not public transportation.

Lame lame lame.

Compromise is never the answer apparently for the individual.
No they expect the whole society to kiss their ass because they are "special".

I don't buy that bullshit for one freakin second.

This is how you nurture losers.
You cant always have your way. Fact of life.
Cry me a river build a bridge and get over it.
Next you'll be telling me pedophiles have a right to hang out at day-cares.
There so special.

Well, it "IS" a civil rights issue.

In the past, I tended to believe that NO ONE was born of any sexual orientation... that it was ALL learned behavior. Modern science has PROVEN that wrong.

And, it was the school board that cancelled the event, not her.

She merely wanted to attend the event like anyone else. She shouldn't have to hide from her identity, be afraid because of her identity, or be DISCRIMINATED AGAINST because of her identity.

It wasn't all that long ago, historically speaking, that people were KILLED because they were left handed, for being satanic. They were DIFFERENT. What else could it be but Satan? Same for people with RED HAIR in some places.

In some ways we have progressed as a society, and in others, not so much. Christians are in control in certain localities, NOW, but this will not always be the case. At one time, Christians were put to death for being DIFFERENT too.

Either we are a FAIR society to ALL PEOPLE, or we aren't. No one is safe, until ALL people are safe.

And the pedophilia comment is inappropriate.

Sexual orientation, is a completely different matter, than adults preying on children.

Our government has ruled that people have a RIGHT "NOT" to be discriminated against for their sexual orientation. This should be applicable to homosexuals no matter what their age. If a homosexual couple can go to a bar together as adults, there is no logical reason why adolescents can't go to proms together.

I don't think schools should be holding proms anyway. THAT is part of the problem. There was a young girl who was just raped by many kids, beaten badly and almost died... AT A PROM!

I don't send my kids to school to socialize.

I send them to LEARN something.

They can socialize OFF my tax-paid funding. Same with sports. Maybe if money for SOCIAL ACTIVITIES were being spent on computers, and other things having to do with EDUCATION, it would help actually TEACH our kids something, so they will be better prepared for COLLEGE.

The schools aren't in control of the kids as it is. The less SOCIAL contact, in an unmonitored environment, the better. Socializing should be done ELSEWHERE! Kids are cruel. They have too little supervision in school, and get into fights, and worry more about being popular, or who is dating who, or who got dumped by who...

It's f*cking ridiculous!

But... if you are going to let teachers be social directors, or pseudo-parents, rather than worrying about TEACHING, then... you are going to have to stop discriminating.

It would solve alot of problems to have PARENTS and COMMUNITIES and CHURCHES or PRIVATE GROUPS sponsoring PRIVATE social events, and "THEN" you can be more in charge of what the rules are, and enforce moral etiquette that you agree with, and have your children going to the SOCIAL FUNCTIONS that "YOU" as a parent, deem right for your own child.

It's selfish to be so bullheaded as to make all your classmates to suffer over a childish whim.
There is nothing sooo important about what she is trying to "gain".
And to equate it with civil rights movements of the past is weak at best.
Even Rosa Parks was smart enough to know when to make concession.
Besides a prom in not public transportation.

Lame lame lame.

Compromise is never the answer apparently for the individual.
No they expect the whole society to kiss their ass because they are "special".

I don't buy that bullshit for one freakin second.

This is how you nurture losers.
You cant always have your way. Fact of life.
Cry me a river build a bridge and get over it.
Next you'll be telling me pedophiles have a right to hang out at day-cares.
There so special.

There's a difference between gays and pedophiles. Pedophiles are actually harmful to society because sexual acts towards a child can be both physically and emotionally damaging. Gays are basically normal people that don't make children (which is a good thing, we could use less child births in this crowded place.). The fact of the matter is, the school was being biased against a gay couple because they didn't fit their perception of what's normal. I can't help but wonder what their reaction would be if they both wore dresses though...

"I don't think schools should be holding proms anyway."

"I don't send my kids to school to socialize.

I send them to LEARN something."



Socializing is also a learned process. I really wish that public schools still taught ettiquette & dance. Too few Americans have any concept of how to relate to others in different situations, & act inappropriately far too often. We have become the ultimate "rude society," imho.

So, I disagree with you, Craig, on that one.

A boy who's taught the "correct" or sociably acceptable way to approach a woman (or vice versa) is less likely to feel too awkward as a man, & is less likely to make a fool of himself. So teaching ppl manners is going to fulfill at least one "extremely important" liberal issue - self esteem, while possibly giving our children a leg up in the areas of career advancement, teaching them non-violent ways of handling social problems, & (& I think this to be an area we REALLY need help in) how to relate to others unlike ourselves, which will help our world-wide image of being such idiots who don't even know how to ACT in someone else's home or country, let alone how to treat guests in our own.

School dances were originally intended for just that - to teach proper sexual roles in social situations (which, I'll admit, have changed, but the need for these lessons in acceptable behaviors has not), to help the wallflowers & the exhibitionists tp learn proper ways of acting in public (which, let's face it -this is rarely taught at home), to be an aid, as practical experience, in thier life lessons which mold proper behavior as adults.

I think that the prom was originally supposed to be the ultimate "test," if you will, of how well someone learned thier lessons in ettiquette, sexual roles, & communication skills. The children have to dress up & act as though they are in a high class event, where manners matter, where they have to apply all of the lessons in ettiquette. This, along with all of our other social skills lessons, have become ignored in our schools, to the detriment of our society.

No, this prom could have taken place, & the attendees could have been allowed to interact with thier classmate in her role as the person she is, but only after they had been taught how to act in these situations. The groundwork had not been laid for this, & this is a serious failing in our school system. I suppose the School Board made the only decision they could have, considering how poorly they have fulfilled thier duties as providers of knowledge.

This is no failing on the part of the student. This is no "cry for special attention," nor is it an unfair request. We have come to the point in our society where we are expected to interact with everyone, no matter thier race, creed, or sexual orientation, & it is the duty of our citizens, our churches & our schools to promote the proper treatment of others, to at least appear to accept ppl for being who & what they are. The school & the community have shown that they are not willing or able to prepare thier children for adult life. They have failed in thier duties as the wardens of these children, as the teachers of these children, & as good citizens of this country. This is a sad commentary on that community.

The school had no right to cancel the prom simply because this couple did not fall into their narrow definition of what is normal. What would have been the harm of letting them attend? Canceling the event will not change their orientation, and it only punished the rest of the school who had nothing to do with it. I hope the ACLU forces this backward-ass school to hold the prom, if not I hope someone sues the hell out of that school district.

This is the reason our gov't is not a "democracy," ruled by the majority. It was set up to protect the rights of the individual. No group should be able to control the very being of others, whether they be of any particular race or creed or sexual orientation.

As far as I can tell, the rights of the individual would override the choices of the majority on this issue, in a fair & unbiased society.

Obviously, we have a need to grow much more than we have.

Craig, you say "It would solve alot of problems to have PARENTS and COMMUNITIES and CHURCHES or PRIVATE GROUPS sponsoring PRIVATE social events, and "THEN" you can be more in charge of what the rules are, and enforce moral etiquette that you agree with, and have your children going to the SOCIAL FUNCTIONS that "YOU" as a parent, deem right for your own child." I don't think that this would solve any problems at all, other than shutting up those who would promote that separatism in our society.

The fact remains, that our children will have bosses & coworkers of myriad races, religious affiliations, & sexual orientations throughout thier lives. They will need to know how to interact with "that black cop who talks funny," too. They will likely, at some point in thier lives face off with a lawyer or a judge who seems "different" to them. Our citizens need to be able to interact with everyone. By leaving the lessons in social interaction to the parents or the churches, you are only promoting like with like interaction. They will be unprepared to practically & politely handle a homosexual's request for a date, or wait on a mixed race cpl in a restaurant, or so many different social situations that I haven't the time to describe them all. The fact remains - ppl must be able to handle social situations in a socially accepted manner with everyone, no matter what your religion may think of certain individuals, or what your father may think of other races, or whatever.

The public school system should be set up to prepare our children for working & living with the public.

The school system in question failed in that task, & it is the children who are paying, by losing thier prom.

Meanwhile, the girl in question is likely to be villified for years to come, & for what?

For simply being. A damned shame, that.

I respect your right to your opinion.
But I disagree.
Homosexuality is an perversion of the normal function of human sexuality as is pedophilia, necrophilia, ETC.
And history proves it's pervasiveness has been detrimental to any society that tolerates it.

Man shall not lay with man nor animals as he would with woman.

There are real mental, physical and social heath issues at risk.
The LAW of God was given to strengthen the human race and to protect us not only from our selfish behaviors, but from disease.
Not arbitrary rules laid down just for the hell of it.
It's no more a civil right issue than allowing men to commit murder because that's their "life style" would be.

This is the anarchy I was talking about. enough said

I havent even read this whole thread yet, buut let me jut say -"Science hasnt proven sh*t and life is not fair, fucers"

I respect your right to your opinion.
But I disagree.
Homosexuality is an perversion of the normal function of human sexuality as is pedophilia, necrophilia, ETC.
And history proves it's pervasiveness has been detrimental to any society that tolerates it.

Man shall not lay with man nor animals as he would with woman.

There are real mental, physical and social heath issues at risk.
The LAW of God was given to strengthen the human race and to protect us not only from our selfish behaviors, but from disease.
Not arbitrary rules laid down just for the hell of it.
It's no more a civil right issue than allowing men to commit murder because that's their "life style" would be.

I agree. And there isn't anything elsewhere in that book that says any different. That is the reason people hate that book. It wants all of us to change. And as humans, we generally don't want to change.

But all of life is like that. If it tastes good, it's fattening or bad for you. If it's fun, you aren't supposed to do it.