General Music Chat

Philby I have always valued your point of veiw and intellectual level. The post you just wrote is very well written. One thing I don't think you are taking into account is that a lot of those buisiness owners have made unbeleivable sacrifices to become buisiness owners and be where they are at. You see that is the American way! Free interprise if you will. You are born a U.S. citizen or you immigrate here LEGALLY just as OUR forefathers did, you work your @ss of for low wages save as much money as you can, make the sacrifices necessary, take the risk and start your own buisiness and you either succeed or fail. Then YOU become the wealthy buisiness owner and create jobs. These contemporary SLAVES that you are refering too, choose to take the easy way out and sneak into this country and demean and steal YOUR jobs instead of doing it the way OUR fathers did. By that I mean work hard and fight for your country and YOUR RIGHTS IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY! IMO there is no perfect system but the free interprise system seems to be working because 20 million illegal aliens want to sneak into this country and exploit it's free interprise system and demand a bunch of undeserved rights while they are here. They will get no SYMPATHY FROM ME. My wish is that they would all go back home and re enter the country legally and we will just see how the country doe's without them.

I wasn't making any claim for the illegals aliens, JH. What I AM saying is that by finding ppl willing to be underpaid for thier work, willing to live in less than good conditions, taht we are still no better than the slave-owners of the past.

I am against the illegals being here, both for thier benefit & ours. There is really no need for them, & if those who hired them were willing to pay legal prices for the work, they couldn't even be here, really.

Ours is still a pretty sick society, when this sort of thing is allowed. It's no better than slavery, in its effect. We are just as culpable for thier being here as they are, as long as we are giving them work & paying them petty cash & not helping out our own & paying what the job is worth.

It would seem then, that your "selfish" desire to live, would depend upon others, UNSELFISHLY not taking your life. Yet we are all selfish? You claim that life is meaningless, yet others have VALUED your life, apparently more than you value it yourself. It's illogical to fear death, yet you fear it. The reasons are insignificant. It's YOUR terminologies being used, not ours.

Of course others value my life. They created or helped raise me, and it makes them happy that they did so. In the end, I am alive because it makes my parents happy to have created something. They want to see it grow and progress, much like an artist does with their work. Creation is one of the most rewarding things in life. I do not see why it is hard to fathom that one would fear death despite their understanding of it, as you yourself fear death as well despite your belief that there is a God.

Which makes no sense, because life is cyclical you say, we are merely matter, subject to the laws of physics... no new matter is created, it only transforms. You literally have ETERNITY and potentially endless lifetimes, to write all the music you want. The matter in you, organized to produce an "artist" this go around.... why wouldn't it do so again, potentially, endless amounts of times over, since time is no object. And hey... maybe you would not have the distractions of having been hospital bound... maybe you will be a better musician, and even better looking, next time around.

Of course it makes sense. Sure, all things in life a cyclical but that doesn't mean I am ready to advance within the cycle. You keep questioning why my desires and actions contradict my beliefs, but I never said my beliefs completely influence the way I live my life. My beliefs are based on observation rather than some bullshit desire to explain things. If I wanted a defense mechanism,I would be an all American conservative Christian.

Either, your philosophies are bullsh*t, or you don't realy believe them yourself. Which is it?

I think what it is, is that you cannot properly understand the nature of parodxes. I'm going to use a silly example, but what I'm referring to is the concept of "doublethink" introduced in Orwell's 1984. The people of Orwell's world hate and resent their government, but at the same time they Love it because they have been conditioned and scared into doing so. The same concept could be applied to myself. I don't believe there's a meaning to anything. I believe it's all systematic and mechanical in nature, yet I still want to live because I was taught to value my own life and I am naturally avoidant of Death. But I think what you're trying to ask is why I am not pessimistic or Suicidal because of my beliefs. The concept of meaninglessness does not sadden me, it interests me. Hell, the idea that the universe, and God is a chain of actions and cycles is incredibly interesting to me and I may spend my life trying to figure everything else out. I don't feel depressed about my beliefs because I am an optimist. I view meaninglessness as a reason for me to make the most of things because in the end I'm just going to break apart, scatter, and make something else. You ask why, I ask "Why Not?".

I'm still trying to figure that out, quite frankly. Why DO you want to live? Life is meaningless.... it's basic nature is selfishness. Nothing is consistent or enduring, it is fruitless to believe in anything. Why the hell would you want to remain in a place like that?

Because it's interesting, and I would like to see how far I can take things with my life. What sort of interactions can I trigger between myself and other human beings? What can I do before I return to that nothingness?

That sounds like you have sacrificed your own selfish instincts, to protect the efforts and feelings of others. Why would you betray human nature that way? Why would you betray the order of the universe? Why would their feelings or efforts matter to you? It's all about you isn't it?

All of this happened when I was a kid. I believed in God as a kid, and I was afraid of Death because I didn't fully understand it. It's not like I'm still hooked up to wires and machines anymore. I can live a normal life as an adult now.

And if there is truly no meaning to life, then why would you have this urge to continue in it? We are all motivated ONLY by selfishness, yet EMPATHY comes from somewhere. How is this possible? You claimed that doing good deeds for others is always selfishly motivated... I can prove that this is not true, but put that aside for the moment...

It is selfishness. I WANT to stay alive, I WANT to make others happy, I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT. ME ME ME ME ME. That's what it is about, my wants, me. I want to make people happy. It is viewed as selfless, but I am only doing it because I WANT to do it. You fail to understand this point, which has been explained in sufficient detail a few times already.

Where is the "selfishness" in EMPATHY?

Other people make me happy, and if I care about them and make them happy they will return the favor.

Because it is not an ACT which one can be praised for, but instead, a FEELING. A COMPASSIONATE feeling or emotion, of being able to put one's self into another's circumstances... into another's shoes, and CARE, and UNDERSTAND, how they must be feeling.

What is the selfishness in that?

In the end, you feel happy for connecting with them. You feel happy for being able to make them happy. You still benefit from it, and that is the point of being empathetic.

And quite honestly, those philosophies are going to DESTROY your life eventually, not save it, and not elevate it.

Just wait and see. As soon as I have some things taken care of, I will have an act together. In a few years, you may have the opportunity to see us perform. You can tell me if I have destroyed my life then.

Of course others value my life. They created or helped raise me, and it makes them happy that they did so. In the end, I am alive because it makes my parents happy to have created something. They want to see it grow and progress, much like an artist does with their work.

That's not a sufficient enough explanation.

Some children make their parents miserable. They are still loved by their parents. Some adults make their parents miserable, they are still loved. One of the most prolific serial killers in history, Ted Bundy, was a sociopathic murderer. He was convicted and put to death for his crimes. He never expressed sorrow for his crimes, that I am aware of. Killing many young women, depriving their families of watching THEIR children grow up. When he was executed, his mother was asked about her reactions to it all. She answered something like... "I know what my son did was wrong, but... he is still my son, and I love him."

Tell me her motivation was to see him grow up more, and achieve something... he was dead. Tell me she derived selfish benefit out of making a statement publicly that she never had to make, when virtually the entire nation LOATHED this man. You CAN try and tell me, that she derived some benefit from standing against the world merely to be proud of maintaining her love in the face of overwhelming accusations and detest... but that WOULD NOT explain it. And you would have to come up with an entirely different set of "selfish motivations" for OTHER parents, WHO DO NOT always do such things publicly... some who disown their kids, others who don't disown their kids but try and avoid any comment on their adult children.

At this point, you would simply be CREATING excuses, to justify your own fallacious reasoning, coming up with a NEW motivation that you could attribute to selfishness, in each instance... but you would be WRONG!

Some people, especially PARENTS, really do, simply LOVE for the sake of LOVING. Without expecting or demanding ANYTHING in return. They hope for the best for their children, but they LOVE regardless of the outcomes.

Parental love is the most UNSELFISH love that exists.

It is how GOD loves.

It is why he created us, and through childhood to adulthood, teaches us to LOVE, as he LOVES. To go from COMPLETE selfishness (babyhood) to COMPLETE UNSEFISHNESS (parental love).

It progresses through three distinct stages.

He creates us to be infants, where love is complete selfish. We can't even feed ourselves as children. We can't do ANYTHING for others yet. We just WHINE and CRY when WE WANT or NEED something.

1) Infanthood, is COMPLETE SELFISHNESS.

Then as adolescents or young adults, we learn about PEER LOVE. Romantic love with a partner or spouse. We learn that NOW, love cannot merely be one sided. We MUST give, in equal measure to what we RECEIVE, or the love will not endure... the relationship will disintegrate.

2) Romantic love is EQUAL LOVE. We give and receive EQUALLY now.

And finally of course, we become parents ourselves, and we learn to shower our love on this new life UNCONDITIONALLY. The baby cannot return anything to us. It needs CONSTANT care and supervision. It changes our existences. Many famous SELFISH people have testified how parenthood changed their lives. That for the FIRST TIME in their lives, they knew, they could DIE for another living being. That they would trade their lives INSTANTLY to protect this young innocent life they suddenly feel immovably connected to!

3) Parental love is COMPLETELY UNSELFISH!

We learn to love as GOD LOVES, and "THAT" my friend, is the exact POINT and PURPOSE, to what He created us for, and providing a PHYSICAL PLANE to accomplish this in. This world is a nursery of love. A school of LOVE... a VERY temporal school of love... long enough to grow and develop our spiritual nature (where LOVE resides) before returning to the source of that love.

There "IS" a plan, my friend.

There "IS" great meaning in all of this.

You have simply shielded yourself from it.

You have felt, burned and rejected in life, and you have fallen into a DEFENSE mode, where NOW, you decide... it will be ALL ABOUT YOU!

It's juvenile.

It is defensive.

It threatens your spiritual life.... the only part of you that can be eternal!

Of course others value my life. They created or helped raise me, and it makes them happy that they did so. In the end, I am alive because it makes my parents happy to have created something. They want to see it grow and progress, much like an artist does with their work.

That's not a sufficient enough explanation.

Some children make their parents miserable. They are still loved by their parents. Some adults make their parents miserable, they are still loved. One of the most prolific serial killers in history, Ted Bundy, was a sociopathic murderer. He was convicted and put to death for his crimes. He never expressed sorrow for his crimes, that I am aware of. Killing many young women, depriving their families of watching THEIR children grow up. When he was executed, his mother was asked about her reactions to it all. She answered something like... "I know what my son did was wrong, but... he is still my son, and I love him."

Tell me her motivation was to see him grow up more, and achieve something... he was dead. Tell me she derived selfish benefit out of making a statement publicly that she never had to make, when virtually the entire nation LOATHED this man. You CAN try and tell me, that she derived some benefit from standing against the world merely to be proud of maintaining her love in the face of overwhelming accusations and detest... but that WOULD NOT explain it. And you would have to come up with an entirely different set of "selfish motivations" for OTHER parents, WHO DO NOT always do such things publicly... some who disown their kids, others who don't disown their kids but try and avoid any comment on their adult children.

At this point, you would simply be CREATING excuses, to justify your own fallacious reasoning, coming up with a NEW motivation that you could attribute to selfishness, in each instance... but you would be WRONG!

Some people, especially PARENTS, really do, simply LOVE for the sake of LOVING. Without expecting or demanding ANYTHING in return. They hope for the best for their children, but they LOVE regardless of the outcomes.

Parental love is the most UNSELFISH love that exists.

It is how GOD loves.

It is why he created us, and through childhood to adulthood, teaches us to LOVE, as he LOVES. To go from COMPLETE selfishness (babyhood) to COMPLETE UNSEFISHNESS (parental love).

It progresses through three distinct stages.

He creates us to be infants, where love is complete selfish. We can't even feed ourselves as children. We can't do ANYTHING for others yet. We just WHINE and CRY when WE WANT or NEED something.

1) Infanthood, is COMPLETE SELFISHNESS.

Then as adolescents or young adults, we learn about PEER LOVE. Romantic love with a partner or spouse. We learn that NOW, love cannot merely be one sided. We MUST give, in equal measure to what we RECEIVE, or the love will not endure... the relationship will disintegrate.

2) Romantic love is EQUAL LOVE. We give and receive EQUALLY now.

And finally of course, we become parents ourselves, and we learn to shower our love on this new life UNCONDITIONALLY. The baby cannot return anything to us. It needs CONSTANT care and supervision. It changes our existences. Many famous SELFISH people have testified how parenthood changed their lives. That for the FIRST TIME in their lives, they knew, they could DIE for another living being. That they would trade their lives INSTANTLY to protect this young innocent life they suddenly feel immovably connected to!

3) Parental love is COMPLETELY UNSELFISH!

We learn to love as GOD LOVES, and "THAT" my friend, is the exact POINT and PURPOSE, to what He created us for, and providing a PHYSICAL PLANE to accomplish this in. A nursery of love. A school of LOVE... a VERY temporal school of love... long enough to grow and develop our spiritual nature (where LOVE resides).

There "IS" a plan, my friend.

There "IS" great meaning in all of this.

You have simply shielded yourself from it.

You have felt, burned and rejected in life, and you have fallen into a DEFENSE mode, where NOW, you decide... it will be ALL ABOUT YOU!

It's juvenile.

It is defensive.

It threatens your spiritual life.... the only part of you that can be eternal!

The flaw with that argument is that you are assuming that the selfishness I speak of is active selfishness. It is passive selfishness. You're not thinking about your selfishness because it's natural. It just happens. It's like breathing, you hardly ever think about breathing, it just happens. It's natural for me to be nice to others because it makes me feel good. Though kindness is admirable, it is still selfish because you still receive something from it in the form of euphoria. A mother that loves their son unconditionally loves their son ultimately because love itself brings them positive feelings. It is intrinsic motivation, which is also selfish motivation. She loves her son despite the fact that he's committed murder because love benefits her more than hatred or despair. she is denying society's imposed significance on the act of murder in favor of her own intrinsic desires because she is, on the most basic level, selfish.

The reason miserable parents stay to raise and love their children is because they are conditioned to. Abandoning a child just because they're difficult to raise isn't exactly popular in our society, is it? It could potentially bring more stress than relief, so the parent keeps on. Very little of this is manifest. The parent does not think in such a mechanical and precise way, but the pressures of society are very real, and they no doubt have an influence on whether or not a miserable parent continues to raise their child. They too are selfish because on the most basic level, they care about their social standing, and the amount of stress they will have to suffer if they abandon the child. There's that, and the fact that we're programmed to stay and raise our children like most other animals. (And there are some animals that do abandon, or even devour their children if they become too much of a burden. That is of course, because they have nobody to talk down to them if they take the easy way out.)

Romantic love is also selfish, although both parties tend to benefit equally
The concept of "You scratch my back, I scratch yours" is still selfish, and it's essentially what love is on an emotional level. You give positive emotions, you receive positive emotions.

Woh Craig...
Thats it - a love nursery.

Son of a motherless goat... Did you come up with this?

That fits it all - All of the triumph and tragedy of the world.

Love Nursery.

Because it's interesting, and I would like to see how far I can take things with my life.

Your existence is meaningless. Life is meaningless. Everything you do is meaningless.... But you want to see how far you can take meaninglessness?

Makes alot of sense.

What sort of interactions can I trigger between myself and other human beings?

Meaningless ones.... duh!

What can I do before I return to that nothingness?

Hmm....

"Before I RETURN to that nothingness"

Return to it?

You claimed that IT IS ALL meaningless. Life itself is meaningless.

How can you RETURN to something you haven't left yet?

You are full of contradictions.

How does this benefit you?

You fight what you suggest is the essence of life. You claim that all life is meaningless, yet SYSTEMATIC. What determines the systematic nature of this existence? How are you able to FIGHT this systematic nature, when everything is pre-programmed. Isn't that self defeating? How can meaningless life, produce so many variations of THOUGHT, where some people seek meaning, and others do not... where some people believe life itself is meaningless and others find great value in it?

This life is meaningless already, but you are avoiding RETURNING to meaninglessness... FROM meaninglessness. You claim to understand how life operates, while countless others are deluded, and you have the superior knowledge, yet you then BETRAY your alleged higher understanding, to pursue PURPOSE, where there can be none. To find meaning where there is none! You claim you seek to take meaningless as far as it can go, and yet in that VERY statement, you have CREATED meaning for yourself.... I will find meaning, in taking meaningless to an extreme.

Your inconsistencies are exhausting.... not to mention NON-PRODUCTIVE, as it prevents you from truly determining if there is INHERENT meaning in life, which you could then PURSUE to it's conclusion... the fulfillment of a GOAL... a worthy goal, that is aligned with that ultimate purpose of life itself (if there were a purpose... which you can never know, because you have determined there isn't)

Oh and Cretindillettante, I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you havent had any children. Havent had that bonding moment.
Because... all signs point to you not knowing what the f**k youre talking about.

Because it's interesting, and I would like to see how far I can take things with my life.

Your existence is meaningless. Life is meaningless. Everything you do is meaningless.... But you want to see how far you can take meaninglessness?

Makes alot of sense.

What sort of interactions can I trigger between myself and other human beings?

Meaningless ones.... duh!

What can I do before I return to that nothingness?

Hmm....

"Before I RETURN to that nothingness"

Return to it?

You claimed that IT IS ALL meaningless. Life itself is meaningless.

You are full of contradictions.

How does this benefit you?

You fight what you suggest is the essence of life. You claim that all life is meaningless, yet SYSTEMATIC. What determines the systematic nature of this existence? How are you able to FIGHT this systematic nature, when everything is pre-programmed. Isn't that self defeating? How can meaningless life, produce so many variations of THOUGHT, where some people seek meaning, and others do not... where some people believe life itself is meaningless and others find great value in it?

This life is meaningless already, but you are avoiding RETURNING to meaninglessness... FROM meaninglessness. You claim to understand how life operates, while countless others are deluded, and you have the superior knowledge, yet you then BETRAY your alleged higher understanding, to pursue PURPOSE, where there can be none. To find meaning where there is none! You claim you seek to take meaningless as far as it can go, and yet in that VERY statement, you have CREATED meaning for yourself.... I will find meaning, in taking meaningless to an extreme.

Your inconsistencies are exhausting.... not to mention NON-PRODUCTIVE, as it prevents you from truly determining if there is INHERENT meaning in life, which you could then PURSUE to it's conclusion... the fulfillment of a GOAL... a worthy goal, that is aligned with that ultimate purpose of life itself (if there were a purpose... which you can never know, because you have determined there isn't)

I think you're forgetting the fact that I'm a human being, and human beings are pre programmed to value things that are meaningless. Simply being aware of such things doesn't mean you're going to abandon all hope and just let yourself die. I'm a human, I live despite my insignificance because it is all I know.

Woh Craig...
Thats it - a love nursery.

Son of a motherless goat... Did you come up with this?

No bro... God did.

He designed it this way.

That fits it all - All of the triumph and tragedy of the world.

Love Nursery.

It really does FIT gtZip, all your mockery notwithstanding.

Haven't you wondered WHY we have consciousness? Philosophers have posited that ALL WE CAN KNOW, IS THAT I EXIST... I HAVE THOUGHT. But why do we think? Why do we dream? Where does matter, suddenly give us CONSCIOUSNESS? A big bang occurs, cosmos expands outwardly, particles bind together into heavenly bodies, where they rotate around one another through gravitational pull... Later, brains are formed? Grey matter? With electrical impulses, controlling our physical actions? We have the ability to conceive the universe.... does the universe have the ability to conceive us? Why is the highest intelligence we are aware of, existing ON the floating crust of this Earth, inside relatively tiny heads, compared to the size of PLANETS and other universes for that matter. It's very convenient, that SMALLER being in this cosmos, get the INTELLECT so that their physical lives are supported through the LARGER bodies that exist.... planets, suns, solar systems. In other words, a limited smaller form (humans) have the intellect and consciousness to embrace the COSMOS, explore it.... but a larger body (planets) with MORE MASS, far more material that could be organized into electrical impulses and conscious thought.... DOES NOT? Why not?

God created the physical world PURPOSELY, gtZip.

He imbued His SPARK into us, at a certain stage of our biological development, to give us a soul, a consciousness... to make us SPIRITUAL BEINGS!

It's done in a process. It's done for a PURPOSE.

Now that He provides us a SOUL, a SPIRITUAL NATURE, we are suddenly existing in TWO SIMULTANEOUS WORLDS.

We exist in a MID-WAY POSITION, between TWO DISTINCT worlds.

One is temporal and physically based.... This Physical COSMOS

The other is ETERNAL and spiritually based... Heaven - God

In placing us in a MID-WAY positions BETWEEN two worlds, God then can relate to us SPIRITUALLY, without being enmeshed in our sinful nature, which is PHYSICALLY BOUND to the physical plane.

ALL SIN COMES FROM A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PHYSICAL WORLD!

OUTSIDE OF THE PHYSICAL WORLD - SIN IS NOT POSSIBLE!

God being perfect, cannot occupy the presence of SIN or EVIL or SELFISHNESS. Through His genius, we are able to STILL RELATE with him, relate with His goodness, though we at times are bound to our physical state. In other words, it allows God to have a relationship with us, WITHOUT being in the presence of sin itself.

Sin and Evil are concrete, they are HEAVY, whereas Love is PURE and LIGHT and RISES... If it could be seen. And in fact, it CAN be seen!

The reason people have seen spirits RISE from a body, is this very reason! As a spirit is SEPARATING from it's physical bonds, and MIGRATING to a completely SPIRITUAL existence... when it is separating from a dual existence, away from the physical plane and toward only the spiritual plane, it will appear to rise... The love is returning to it's source... it is rising as it transitions, because it is lighter, purer, than the physical form that housed and restrained it.

Love is pure and light!

Think of a glass of water with a small amount of dirt in it. The dirt, sinks to the bottom, and it is eventually CRYSTAL CLEAR at the top. The lighter elements rise.

I mentioned that LOVE passes through THREE distinct stages:

1) Infancy: Love is Complete Selfishness
2) Adolescence & young adulthood: Love is Equal
3) Parenthood: Love is Completely Unselfish

Similarly, HUMANS pass through THREE STAGES of life, or THREE ENVIRONMENTS as they develop... Each lighter than the one before. Each more PURE than the one before... Each sustaining and protecting our life, through our development!

1) In the womb, we are surrounded by WATER (liquid - Amniotic Fluid)
2) After birth, existing as independent individuals, we are surrounded by AIR
3) When we pass to the spiritual world we are surrounded by LOVE

THREE ENVIRONMENTS:

1) LIQUID
2) AIR
3) LOVE

Each LIGHTER and MORE PURE than the one before!

We are LITERALLY "BORN" into EACH NEW EXISTENCE. We are first born into an atmosphere, consisting of oxygen, shockingly, with light and sights... breathing AIR now, and we could not have IMAGINED what life outside the womb would be, from the darkness inside our mothers. We are later BORN into the spiritual world, a completely unique existence, and similarly, we cannot imagine that world, from WHERE WE ARE NOW! At that time, after death, we are literally BORN into another DIMENSION... not another PLACE!

God is using this method to develop our SPIRITUAL growth.

This PHYSICAL world is temporary. The second law of thermodynamics states that every system is in a state of change and DECAY. We are literally born DYING in this physical plane. Everything is TEMPORARY and has an END. Even our Cosmos will eventually collapse upon itself, most scientists tell us.

But the SPIRITUAL WORLD is ETERNAL and DOES NOT DECAY!

The basis of THIS world is DARKNESS. Darkness is the NATURAL STATE of this world. Take away the few lights we have... the sun, etc.. and it is nothing but DARKNESS! Whereas the Spiritual World is ONLY LIGHT. The Bible claims THERE ARE NOT EVEN SHADOWS IN HEAVEN! That statement is true, because it is ONLY LIGHT... ONLY THE PURE ENERGY OF "LOVE"!

PHYSICAL WORLD:

1) Naturally dark
2) Dying, Temporal

SPIRITUAL WORLD:

1) Naturally light
2) Eternal, Nothing decays or dies


Which world is of God? Which world would be our TRUE HOME, if a God of love was presiding over it? The physical world is meant to be a REFLECTION of the spiritual world... a negative image almost, because it is DESIGNED to be TEMPORARY ONLY!

It is HERE for a SPECIFIC PURPOSE... a TEMPORARY PURPOSE!

It is here... YES... like a NURSERY OF LOVE!

A School, where we have a set amount of time, to GROW SPIRITUALLY. To grow, while observing FREE WILL around us, and realize that free will can be used for GOODNESS or for HARM. That there are CLEAR CHOICES in front of us, and it is COMPLETELY OUR CHOICE, which lifestyle, which heart we adopt as our own path!

There are trials and challenges, even for the good among us.

It helps us OVERCOME... it helps us GROW... it strengthens our HEARTS and our LOVE... "IF" we choose for it to have that effect, by fighting to maintain our character and love, in the face of adversity!

THERE IS A PLAN!

A BEAUTIFUL and INTELLIGENT PLAN!

Recognizing it, is the most crucial first step in USING IT FOR GOOD in your lives, and good in OTHER'S LIVES!

Our destination is PERFECTION, and LIGHT and LOVE, FOR ALL ETERNITY! But "ONLY" the love we allow in our lives HERE, transcends death, and lives for eternity.

LOVE "IS" ETERNAL.

It is God's ESSENCE... it is God's POWER... It is why He is SELF-EXISTENT and ETERNAL!

When His love, consumes our souls, dwelling in them, working THROUGH us, it becomes ONE WITH US, and... WE BECOME ETERNAL, because being ONE in God's love, allows us to SHARE IN HIS NATURE! To be ETERNAL "WITH" Him, in absolute ONENESS. Not as selfish individuals, but as a co-existing WHOLE! There will be no difference in where WE END and where GOD BEGINS!

So when are you going to write your book, Craig?

Actually, I think you already have...It's in pieces all over this forum! We need to gather it all up, put it all together, and get it published

So when are you going to write your book, Craig?

Actually, I think you already have...It's in pieces all over this forum! We need to gather it all up, put it all together, and get it published

LOL


I actually had a similar thought bro...

"Heck... I feel like I am already writing pieces of that book! Must be at least a couple chapters by now!"

Guess I won't need to offer it for publishing before long... Everyone can just read it on Bandmix!

I can hear them now...

"Man, dude... I just got some profound insights into God, the Bible, the Purpose of Life... All kinds of thing!"

"Where? On those relgious sites you are always combing through?"

"No man... on a MUSIC FORUM!!!"

LOL

Delusions, everywhere.

Delusions, everywhere.

Says Cretindilettante.

Delusions, everywhere.

Says Cretindilettante.

Who better to say it BUT me?