General Music Chat

Stuff about reading all the holy texts, etc.

Well, I am glad you are at least intelligent enough to read from many sources rather than claim that only one book has all the answers. I do not find any "spiritual" value in mythology, I simply appreciated it as art. As for the historical aspects of The Bible, I have no doubt that many of the things in the bible (that are actually possible.) happened. History is interesting, especially analyzing motivations, the meaning, and context of certain events. It is, however, unrelated to the concept of God. My interpretation of God is not the traditional "all knowing creator" that people idealize. To me, God is the interactions of all the matter in the universe. (Gravity, smell, touch, happiness, sex, etc.) God is the cyclical nature of these actions. Matter comes together and bonds, and eventually those bonds break and the matter is separated only to be pieced together into something else. You can see it in all aspects of life: Birth results in Death, radioactive material decays, leaves turn to dust, animals are eaten, digested, and turned to waste which is eaten, digested, and turned into waste by smaller creatures. It's all cyclical.

Well, I am glad you are at least intelligent enough to read from many sources rather than claim that only one book has all the answers.

Yes, Cretin, fortunately, I am at "least" that intelligent.

I'm glad you approve from way up there in your intellectual superority.

I do not find any "spiritual" value in mythology

Of course not. Why would you? You are a pantheist. You don't believe in the spiritual. You only believe in physical matter.

A strawman argument is an argument based off your misinterpretation or deliberate misrepresentation of the opposing argument. I was referring to your extremely hilarious conclusions and interpretations on Obama's ideas.

I said that it was a statement made by one of Obama's czars, not Obama himself. The statement was made IN THE PAST, well before this individual became a czar. It was a useful example of how otherwise intelligent people, come to MORALLY WRONG conclusions, beliving they are being LOGICAL.

My definition of morality is that there really is none.

Which means you are a sociopath.

I do things that benefit me because I am selfish.

Which means you are a narcissist.



You really won't benefit from debating me, it appears.

What you need is serious mental health counseling.

It amuses me that you would rather focus on making ad hominem attacks on me rather than actually addressing my argument.

It also amuses me that you could assume that I am both Narcissistic and Sociopathic without actually knowing me. It also seems that you don't fully understand what selfishness is. It's natural, and it's ultimately why you allow yourself to live.

Well, I am glad you are at least intelligent enough to read from many sources rather than claim that only one book has all the answers.

Yes, Cretin, fortunately, I am at "least" that intelligent.

I'm glad you approve from way up there in your intellectual superority.

I do not find any "spiritual" value in mythology

Of course not. Why would you? You are a pantheist. You don't believe in the spiritual. You only believe in physical matter.

I do not see the pretense in my statements. I did not imply that I was superior to you because of my beliefs as I have previously implied that nothing has any real value to it.

I do only believe in physical matter, but that covers pretty much everything in the universe. It means I also believe in the interactions that occur between physical matter, including the processes inside the brain.

My "spirituality" is in communication through Art, Music, written language, and physical action. Interaction with other people is what makes me feel human, rather than perceived interaction with a deity.

And sure, I believe nothing is of value and that there is no point to life but I am an optimist. My ideas simply rid me of any hesitation to live my life to it's fullest. (of course I'm law abiding, because I am selfish.) I live to make myself happy, which includes making other people happy, drawing, painting, making music, writing poetry, kissing, hugging, intercourse, etc. Sure my happiness is meaningless, but that's really all there is to life. I may as well make the most of nothingness.

Does the venom ever stop bubbling out of your mouth?

A direct spawn of Satan is what you are.

You are the exact opposite of what a person should be.

Even a wasp has more love and respect for human life than you do.

Does the venom ever stop bubbling out of your mouth?

A direct spawn of Satan is what you are.

You are the exact opposite of what a person should be.

Even a wasp has more love and respect for human life than you do.

Are you trolling me? That's the worst, and most stereotypical argument anyone could ever give to someone with different views than them.

" I believe in God, and of course I am right because the bible says so. He must be dumb, evil, and a spawn of Satan if he disagrees"

Promise me that you won't stalk and kill me if I become successful.

EDIT: A Behemoth fan calling me a spawn of Satan? HA! Also, if you like Behemoth you may like 1349, Dissection, Windir, and Carpathian Forest.

It amuses me that you would rather focus on making ad hominem attacks on me rather than actually addressing my argument.

First off... I'm pleased I "amuse you", oh royal one. Every "king" needs a court jester to keep him amused, after all.

Secondly, I'm not making any attacks on you. I am stating an honest opinion as to your mental state. Nothing more, nothing less.

And third, I have been addressing your various arguments, well, in between watching Jericho (First series on DVD) for a few hours now!

It also amuses me...

You should see me juggle!

that you could assume that I am both Narcissistic and Sociopathic without actually knowing me.

People reveal FAR MORE about themselves in their statements, and even in their choice of individual words (as opposed to selecting another word), than you are aware of.

It also seems that you don't fully understand what selfishness is. It's natural, and it's ultimately why you allow yourself to live.

You can find examples of selfishness in nature, absolutely. You can also find examples of empathy and many other traits as well.

To appeal to nature for an excuse for your narcissism is beneath you Cretin. You have more than enough mental disorder, to make up your own rules as you go. You are a god after all, you don't need my approval, or nature's example. Your word is law. We will certainly ALL realize your great value one day, you're sure of it.

It amuses me that you would rather focus on making ad hominem attacks on me rather than actually addressing my argument.

First off... I'm pleased I "amuse you", oh royal one. Every "king" needs a court jester to keep him amused, after all.

Secondly, I'm not making any attacks on you. I am stating an honest opinion as to your mental state. Nothing more, nothing less.

It also amuses me...

You should see me juggle!

that you could assume that I am both Narcissistic and Sociopathic without actually knowing me.

People reveal FAR MORE about themselves in their statements, and even in their choice of individual words (as opposed to selecting another word), than you are aware of.

It also seems that you don't fully understand what selfishness is. It's natural, and it's ultimately why you allow yourself to live.

You can find examples of selfishness in nature, absolutely. You can also find examples of empathy and many other traits as well.

To appeal to nature for an excuse for your narcissism is beneath you Cretin. You have more than enough mental disorder, to make up your own rules as you go. You are a god after all, you don't need my approval, or nature's example. Your word is law. We will certainly ALL realize your great value one day, you're sure of it.

Of course I'm a God, I'm an artist. What is more God like than creating something?

Again, it disappoints me that you continue to avoid actually addressing my arguments. My intent is to get people thinking, not to make people upset or uncomfortable. Sure, my ideas are not popular, but neither was heliocentricism. And you know what? It turns out that the earth DOES revolve around the sun! And *gasp!* the Earth is actually round!

No, it has nothing to do with you disagreeing with me, believe me.

JimmyDanger disagrees with me on almost all issues, but he also wouldn't kill someone just because it was inconveniencing him or costing him money, you self-centered bastard.

I am not trolling you, sir. I am more serious right now than I've ever been...

Everything you say is wrong, and that is not just my opinion; it is fact. Everything you believe is wrong.

But hey, if there's no God, then you don't have to feel any guilt for your sin. You get to rape and murder someone whenever you want! ENJOY!

No, it has nothing to do with you disagreeing with me, believe me.

JimmyDanger disagrees with me on almost all issues, but he also wouldn't kill someone just because it was inconveniencing him or costing him money, you self-centered bastard.

I am not trolling you, sir. I am more serious right now than I've ever been...

Everything you say is wrong, and that is not just my opinion; it is fact. Everything you believe is wrong.

But hey, if there's no God, then you don't have to feel any guilt for your sin. You get to rape and murder someone whenever you want! ENJOY!

I believe you are forgetting the part where I said that violence and barbarism were out dated, and no longer a necessary part of society because we live in a technological world. Also, rape and murder have no benefit to me. If I want to kill something, I'll play an FPS game or draw something gruesome. If I want sex, I'll go somewhere and pick out someone who is blatantly displaying their desire for sexual contact and woo them.

Does the venom ever stop bubbling out of your mouth?

A direct spawn of Satan is what you are.

You are the exact opposite of what a person should be.

Even a wasp has more love and respect for human life than you do.

Are you trolling me? That's the worst, and most stereotypical argument anyone could ever give to someone with different views than them.

" I believe in God, and of course I am right because the bible says so. He must be dumb, evil, and a spawn of Satan if he disagrees"

He's disgusted by your antisocial and unempathetic demeanor, as displayed through your comments, and belief system. However, it is likely the product of various mental disorders, but even if he understood that, knowing Ryan, he would not appreciate you any more for it. You would still appear to be a blight on society. Sociopathic behavior scares most people... it at least upsets them, and makes them very cautious, even angry.

Promise me that you won't stalk and kill me if I become successful.

I really think you shouldn't worry much about that.

Even if he did, he would only be helping you "transform", like an icecube to water.... right?

Don't tell us you're doubting your own philosophies already?

Does the venom ever stop bubbling out of your mouth?

A direct spawn of Satan is what you are.

You are the exact opposite of what a person should be.

Even a wasp has more love and respect for human life than you do.

Are you trolling me? That's the worst, and most stereotypical argument anyone could ever give to someone with different views than them.

" I believe in God, and of course I am right because the bible says so. He must be dumb, evil, and a spawn of Satan if he disagrees"

He's disgusted by your antisocial and unempathetic demeanor, as displayed through your comments, and belief system. However, it is likely the product of various mental disorders, but even if he understood that, knowing Ryan, he would not appreciate you any more for it. You would still appear to be a blight on society. Sociopathic behavior scares most people... it at least upsets them, and makes them very cautious, even angry.

Promise me that you won't stalk and kill me if I become successful.

I really think you shouldn't worry much about that.

Even if he did, he would only be helping you "transform", like an icecube to water.... right?

Don't tell us you're doubting your own philosophies already?

Just because I understand what death entails doesn't mean I have any desire to die now. I still have things I would like to do, and I would be pissed off if someone interrupted that. I never denied my own humanity, silly.

Just because I understand what death entails doesn't mean I have any desire to die now. I still have things I would like to do, and I would be pissed off if someone interrupted that.

How could you be pissed off if you're dead?

If there's no God, then there's no heaven and hell, so your heart and brain would just die, and you would cease to exist.

Just because I understand what death entails doesn't mean I have any desire to die now. I still have things I would like to do, and I would be pissed off if someone interrupted that.

How could you be pissed off if you're dead?

If there's no God, then there's no heaven and hell, so your heart and brain would just die, and you would cease to exist.

You understand what I meant. I don't want to die, not many people do. I am afraid of death just as much as everyone else because I want to do so many things BEFORE the time comes for me to die.

As for "ceasing to exist". You are ignoring the Law of Conservation of Matter. Nothing is ever destroyed or created, only bonds are formed and broken. Matter joins together, and scatters over and over again. It's a cycle, you know?

Just because I understand what death entails doesn't mean I have any desire to die now.

But we are all selfish.

No one cares what YOU desire. It's all about "ME". Caring about YOUR desires, requires some measure of respect for you as equally important to "me", and as you stated, you are the most important person in the universe, and your happiness takes precedent over anything else. If this is an example of superior understanding or enlightenment, then we should all feel the same way. So save your desires for yourself. They are meaningless to the rest of the enlightened people of the world.

I still have things I would like to do

Oh, I see. So murder, which is merely accelerating someone else's transformation, is not looked badly upon, merely because of "fear" as a motivation (the concept that I fear death, so I desire to remain in this form, and I accomplish this by extending the same courtesy to others, in the hopes they won't kill me) but additionally, there could be OTHER motivators for avoiding death.... like... "I still have things I would like to do"? Hmm... so, even though this life is "meaningless", you WANT to remain in it longer, well... remain longer in your current form. How meaningless could life really be, if you cling to it, and want to remain? I thought you were enlightened? Why do you fear transforming? You occupy a brief and limited area, in space time currently.

Shouldn't we speed up your "transformation" for you, and leave you in a field somewhere, so you can decompose, be absorbed into the ground, where you can then fertilize the soil, rising back up as your nutrients are drawn into grass roots, which can then be eaten by cattle, whose milk will then be extracted into cartons to be sold at the supermarket and consumed by THOUSANDS of people, so you can then be THOUSANDS of places at the same time? Well, until parts of you are pissed into toilets, flowed through pipes and hopefully released into the river, where fish can inhale you through their gills, and maybe parts of you could then make the spawning season, where commercial fishermen might catch you in nets, and freeze you, and hopefully, sold all over the world.... You really could be like God then! You'd be EVERYWHERE!!!

Why you would want to occupy such a limited form now, and cling to it so dearly, when you could be in the bowels and digestive systems of MILLIONS of people potentially, is beyond me. You are only a single artist right now.... You could be a friggin' SYMPHONY then!!!

You don't seem very enlightened to me.

Or consistent, for that matter!