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#102676 by CraigMaxim
Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:22 pm


btw...

Don't misunderstand my comments to suggest that Hillary is not strong. She is an amazingly strong, smart and capable woman. She has a better education than Palin, and likely a higher IQ, but in all honesty, I see BOTH of them as two sides of a similar coin. Both feminist, smart and capable, but Palin being a conservative version, and Clinton the liberal version.

#102677 by ColorsFade
Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:25 pm
CraigMaxim wrote:You can't have it both ways bro.


That was my point...




CraigMaxim wrote:You want to blame Republicans for not supporting bills they DO NOT believe in.... rather than blaming the Dems for not passing the bills THEY DO believe in, when they had the majority to do just that.

Explain that reasoning to me... if you can. ;-)



You are so misguided...

I blame the Republicans for not coming to the bargaining table in good faith.

Everyone knows Democrats and Republicans don't see eye to eye on legislation. By their very nature they're opposed on everything. That's not the point.

The point is that it's your JOB to find solutions TOGETHER.

The point is, if you are an elected public servant, then you should be there to solve problems. And you cannot solve problems if you aren't even willing to come to the bargaining table to discuss and debate the problem and the potential solutions.

The Republicans played keep away on Health Care reform like a childish 5-year-old. They weren't interested in any sort of honest or open debate on the issue. They were only interested in stonewalling Obama, who they view as an adversary, and scoring points with Right Wing political talk show hosts. It's been disgusting to watch.


If you can't see that Craig, I can't help you see it. If you can see it and aren't appalled by it, I can't help you their either.

#102678 by Chippy
Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:42 pm
Tell you what.
If anyone can convince her to play some instrument live that would be cool wudnit?! :D

#102682 by philbymon
Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:10 pm
Oh, Craig! You woman-lover, you!

Imho, Hillary was almost ready for the pres job, having at least seen gov't at work, both from the inside of the Senate, & from her point of view in the White House. I would have voted for her in a heartbeat. Hillary at least HAS some federal gov't experience under her belt. I believe she could do the job even without the help that her husband could give her on how things work (which was yet another point in her favor - being married to an ex-pres).

But PALIN?!?!?! She knows too little about the job, or how to get anything done, or who to talk to when things get dicey, or virtually any of the inner workings of the federal gov't.

The very fact that she was "thrust onto the national stage in a twinkling of an eye, but dealing with very intimate family issues, being revealed IN THE MIDST of the campaign itself," shows just how unprepared she was. Her rhetoric during the campaign only proved that point, being at heart just racist & silly belittling tactics. However, she's had over a year to get educated about it all, & she's still holding onto the campaign rhetoric that so disgusted me & turned me against her in the first place, She hasn't learned a damned thing, except how to push the buttons of certain personality types. She hasn't improved, hasn't grown, hasn't made any progress toward being that leader you so desperately want her to be, Craig.

She has too many distractions in her personal life. She has too little experience in the federal gov't (as in NONE). She has too much bitter hostility for me to take her rhetoric as anything but what it is - racist, hate-filled crap designed to tear things down rather than build anything up. She may well be the destruction of the country if she does happen to get so damned-dumb-lucky as to win the presidential seat.

And that is why I consider her to be a political bimbo, a hate-junky, a fear-monger, & a serious threat as long as she keeps getting all this air-time. All I can hope for is that her over-exposure proves to be her political & popular doom, & her legacy shows her for the asshole she appears to me to be. I'd love to see her fade away like a bad dream. I truly believe that she deserves every epithet tossed her way, after hearing the hate-filled sh*t she's been spouting for two years or more.

Sorry, but I loathe the bitch...& that isn't likely to change until she does.
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#102684 by J-HALEY
Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:13 pm
Dang Philby! :shock:

#102686 by CraigMaxim
Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:16 pm
philbymon wrote:

If she did actually "sacrifice herself for the common good" in her actions in Alaska, well, I would be impressed. But I find that hard to believe when her message to us all is simply "hate Obama the teleprompter-reading guy with the moslem name & the terrorist affilliations who's such an elitist."




Yeah, I am unaware of her accusing Obama of terrorist affiliations, other than his friendship with a former Weather Underground leader who actually DID bomb police stations and other places. But those are facts, not speculations or false accusations. I don't even know if she commented on that directly, but she should have if she didn't. Obama is an unsavory character where his ambitions are concerned. He comes from the Chicago school of politics, so we shouldn't be surprised I suppose.

Her main accusations against him though, continue to be that he is instituting socialist like policies, he is tripling our national debt, and still has done little to nothing about job creation. He wants to toy with 1/6th or 1/5th of our national economy, by altering health care without a bipartisan approach (although lately, he began to accept some Republican measures as part of his newest effort at getting something passed)




philbymon wrote:The Tea-Party movement is based on that very message. It has had nothing to do with making anything better, it's just been to STOP THIS MAN WHO'S TRYING TO DO SOMETHING!!!!



Well, that's not accurate at all. The Tea Party movement is based on uniting voters around the restoration of true conservative principles. Many of them, if not most, believe that Bush himself abandoned true conservative philosophy. They believe in limited government, low taxes, freedom for small business (the main job creators) to thrive with less bureaucratic obstacles, based on the power of free market principles. They are not as concerned with voting current members of congress out of office, as they are, in holding ALL MEMBERS of BOTH PARTIES accountable for their actions. They want to stop wasteful spending in Washington D.C. that is suffocating our economy, devaluing the dollar, and burdening their children and grandchildren with record debt.

As one Tea Party leader put it...

"The Tea Party doesn't endorse candidates... candidates endorse the Tea Party!"

philbymon wrote:
Yeah, she likes to use all the conservative buzz-words & -phrases, like "conservative principles and common-sense solutions," but she fails at every turn to tell us exactly what they are, or how we may apply them to solve our problems.



That argument has "some" merit.

She believes in traditional conservative values, of low taxes, less government intrusion, free market based solutions, opening up new energy alternatives, like building nuclear power plants, domestic drilling for oil, natural gas and coal, particularly in Alaska where there is an abundance of resources, but much of it is in protected lands, where quite frankly, no one goes, and is a relatively small area of this protected land anyway. She believes in calling a war, a war, and doing what is necessary to win, and keep Americans safe. She believes in putting the brakes on any further bailouts. Companies should fly or fail, based on their own merits and business models. She believes in reducing taxes on businesses, one of the main reasons they relocate to more favorable places for tax purposes. She believes in a balanced budget, that the government should not SPEND more than it TAKES IN.

But you are right, in that these are BROAD generalities, and not specific plans.

If you want to say that, currently, Palin does not have a definitive PLATFORM on which to run for President, then I would agree with that. We have her former record in office to judge by, and her embracing of conservative values and positions, but not concrete measures.

That's what a policy team is there for. Professionals in each of their fields, who bring the ideas, and which are then embraced and conveyed by a political leader, who promises to do everything they can to enact them.

She would need a political team, as ANYONE running for President would, to assist in developing an actual platform.

She has honestly stated that she is researching the broader issues, things that affect the nation as a whole and the globe. She has her basic philosophies, but I don't see anything wrong in the fact that for the last 14 years she has been enmeshed in ALASKA issues, since that was her constituency.

But remember... so far... she is not running for any office. She is trying to be a force for conservatism, to rally it, and focus it, particularly for the upcoming congressional elections. She states quite succinctly that she doesn't need to hold any title, to fight for her values, and encourage the revival of conservative values nationwide.

It makes sense that she wouldn't have an election team of policy wanks in place, when she hasn't decided to run yet. And I believe that she is sincere about getting up to speed on national and world issues, and will arrive at her own conclusions FIRST, and THEN she would assemble a policy team around those ideals that she agrees with, who would craft, the specifics, of how it could be accomplished.

We'll see what happens.

But right now, she is not running for anything. She is working to get conservatives into elected office, and encouraging regular citizens to run themselves, and fight the establishment, and bring some common sense back to Washington D.C..
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#102688 by J-HALEY
Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:29 pm
Yeah! What Craig Said! :wink:

#102690 by CraigMaxim
Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:42 pm
ColorsFade wrote:

You are so misguided...

I blame the Republicans for not coming to the bargaining table in good faith.




I'm misguided?

No I'm not. A major health care bill sponsored by Dems has already passed the house. They just have to pass it in the Senate, the President will sign it, and it become law.

Simple.

Blame the Democrats.

They are the ones not passing the bill in Senate, when they have the votes to do so, if they are united.

Why have some balked?

They are afraid. The last time Health Care came around, it got loaded down, and after months, didn't go anywhere. Less than a year later, Republicans got back control of Congress. the public had blamed the Democrats for making promises, and then not delivering. It took Dems two decades, ater that, for them to even bring the issue back up again.

So, we have a DIVER in control, on a diving board, and a group of kids on the sidelines shouting "You suck!" and "What, are you afraid?!"

And you believe it is the jeerer's fault, for the DIVER not diving, rather than the DIVER HIMSELF, who chooses whether he dives or doesn't dive, and is in FULL CONTROL of that decision.

But I'm misguided?

LOL

Dive or don't dive. They have the power. You can't rationally blame anyone else.

If they believe in the bill. Pass the damn thing. When it becomes law, they can then prove (or not) that the fears were unfounded, and it's working out great!

The Democrats are cowards.

THAT is the truth of the matter.

#102693 by Chippy
Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:01 pm
Politics sucks.
Nuff said.

#102696 by ColorsFade
Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:04 pm
My life is so wonderful right now, I simply don't have the inclination to engage with you anymore Craig.

I don't know what you get out of this... I think somewhere in there, you might be a good guy. But these posts of yours make it really difficult for me to like you.

And right now, there's so much positive energy in my life, I just don't want it derailed by something as negative as conversing with you.


So... sorry. You'll have to debate without me...


I'm returning to my bliss-filled life.

#102699 by CraigMaxim
Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:30 pm
ColorsFade wrote:My life is so wonderful right now, I simply don't have the inclination to engage with you anymore Craig.


:roll:

ColorsFade wrote:I don't know what you get out of this... I think somewhere in there, you might be a good guy. But these posts of yours make it really difficult for me to like you.



Yeah, "somewhere in there" I might have something good about me. ;-)

LOL

You'd have to know me better I suppose. I'm the guy that will step in front of a bus to save a stranger while everyone else stands with their mouths open, waiting for the poor guy to get run over.

I've had ministers tell me that I am the most honest person they have ever met.

I have faults, like anyone.

But I try... I try reaaaaally hard in my life, to be the best person I know how to be. To love others. To not seeking vengeance on people, no matter what they have done to me.... and some have done alot.

I fall short at times. But I determine to try harder and never quit being a work in progress.

I'm sorry if I come across in ways that allow you to misunderstand my character, but if you knew me personally, you would probably trust me above just about anyone else, and know that if I could help you in some way, I would, even if it meant taking the shirt off my own back.


ColorsFade wrote:And right now, there's so much positive energy in my life, I just don't want it derailed by something as negative as conversing with you.

So... sorry. You'll have to debate without me...


I'm returning to my bliss-filled life.



I'm glad things are going well in your life.

Truly.

I hope they continue and only get better for you.

#102704 by CraigMaxim
Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:51 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/05/books/05arts-SARAHPALINAN_BRF.html

New York Times
Sarah Palin and Tony Blair Working on Book Projects
Compiled by DAVE ITZKOFF
Published: March 4, 2010


While Sarah Palin completes a swing through the West Coast, she is keeping busy with more than just talk-show appearances. HarperCollins, which released her best-selling memoir “Going Rogue,” said that Ms. Palin is writing a second, as-yet untitled book that would be a “celebration of American virtues and strengths,” and “include selections from classic and contemporary readings that have inspired her,” according to a statement reported by The Associated Press. For a take on politics from the other side of the Atlantic, Tony Blair, above, has offered more details on his coming memoir, which Random House signed up in 2007 (at an advance of nearly $9 million) and which will be released by its Alfred A. Knopf imprint in September. Mr. Blair, the former British prime minister, said that the book, to be called “The Journey,” would give his perspectives on the lead-up to the Iraq war, peace negotiations in Northern Ireland and his relationship with his successor, Gordon Brown. “I have tried to write a book which describes the human as much as the political dimensions of life as prime minister,” Mr. Blair said in a statement.

#102873 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:22 pm
Colors,,,We just had the HIGHEST LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY, basically tell us that we the AMERICAN PEOPLE , DON"T COUNT!!!!

He is so much smarter than all of us.

After listening to some very valid points, He basically said you have six weeks to do it my way or hit the highway..

WHY THE FLOCK DO YOU WANT TO BRING A DICTATOR INTO CONTROL.

WARNING!!!!! DO NOT MESS WITH MY CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOMS>>>>EVER!!!!!! :evil:

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