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#10236 by Franny
Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:25 am
I agree with everyone else, don't worry about a major deal. To tell you the truth i wouldn't want a to get a major deal; i really don't want to contribute to the sickening salaries the Record Exec's already steal from musicians.
It's easy to think and feel that way, if the offer came...?
Like others have said, with all the technology at our fingertips and dyi info out there who really needs it?

#10435 by N1GHTM4R3GR33N
Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:31 pm
just think about it if you cant make money you bills dont get paid and apart you head splits.
#10465 by CJ40
Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:21 am
You need to have your own lyrics and a commited band to work with. Plus, on top of all that you need to open minded and have a lot of money for new equipment so you have a good sound. Then you have to go out and pound the pavement and get well known in a couple of hundred mile radius of where you live. When they start calling you to do gigs, then you know you are getting the ball rolling. From here on it is just keeping your band tight and being available!
God Bless!
Chris

#10499 by nonna3@mac.com
Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:12 pm
I NEED EVERYONES HELP; I AM A ASPIRING COUNTRY SINGER IN MARYLAND AND I NEED EVERYONE WHO READS THIS TO GO TO WWW.WPOC.COM (A LOCAL RADIO STATION)

THEN CLICK ON "VOTE NATIONAL ANTHEM" THEN CLICK ON MY NAME
KELLEY LARSON

THEN CONTEST ENDS FRIDAY @ 5PM. YESTERDAY I WAS IN FIRST PLACE WITH 32% NOW I AM IN 4TH. I REALLY WANT THIS BAD. SO PLEASE EVERYONE WHO IS A PERFORMER KNOWS THE RUSH YOU GET ON STAGE ESPECIALLY IN FRONT OF 25,000 PEOPLE. AND SOMEONE IMPORTANT MIGHT SEE YOU. PLEASE HELP

PLEASE HELP

#11988 by Glassimages
Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:52 am
I'm glad to see every one seems to be on the same page. I do agree taking the "indie" route is the thing to do these days. In fact the place our band rehearses at was founded by a guy who used to work for Capitlal Records as an A & R guy. He left the company to pursue his own business which is booming within the last few years. However he shared very interesting points that I thought I would throw out there.

Number one, exposure is key. Gaining enough exposure despite the location will draw numbers to your fan base, which in return will help sell your own albums. With this all profits will go to the band and not spread out across the board to pay for some guys stretch limo he takes to work every day.

Second, what makes the difference between going "Indie" or main streaming with a "label"? The funds. On an "Indie" label potentially you could open up for your favorite band but never have your own head lined tour. Although with the right amount of "investment" put into your band you could wind up jumping from an "Indie" label to a major one.

"Investment" not just money, but time, and dedication. It was mentioned in the beginning of all this topic you have to look "perfect" . Taking yourself to the gym, eating right and giving the image helps get you there. Face the facts....about 75% of the music purchased are between the ages of 13-25. If your face was on a magazine now, would it catch thier eye? Just like models and actors, music has been pushed in that direction. Of course we can all thank the fashion industry for getting into the scene. (Whatever happened to looking like a bum?) Face it that's why Rap and Hip Hop artist do so well, is from all the endorsements from big clothing designers. Think of it in terms of music videos, every time you see one some one has thier shirt off and some one is bound to have really short shorts. Fashion and the music scene is blending steadily. IF you can't put on a pair of tight pants and shirts without seeing excess fat, forget it. I know at some point you all can agree that you've seen that "rocker" playing without a shirt on and thinking "wow it's a good thing he's talented". Again "Investment" how bad do you want it? Way the options in your hands. You could be a damn good artist at whatever you do and know your stuff and take the rebel way out and take the easy route by going "Indie" or as they say "selling out" Discuss this with your band mates. Because if they don't want it as bad as you do, there is no worth putting your effort.

Third, if you have what people like, age won't be the factor. Your items sell which equals revenue. Revanue equals more oppurtunity to advertise your material wether it's on the web or more commmercial. Which in turn will equal more revenue. What draws major labels to bands? Revenue! Think if you were an investor and put your artistic opionion aside. Would you invest in a band that sold 500 copies in a year? Or a band that just placed their second order to reprint the last album for another 1000 copies because they sold out within half a year? Personally I'd place my bet with the second option.

So as I get off my soap box....Age is not a factor.....it's money. :P

#11994 by Craig Maxim
Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:46 am
Let me get the painful stuff out of the way...

I have been reading your posts and listened to your recordings, and I want to be completely honest with you. You are not a very good singer yet. I believe in dreams, and I don't want to discourage you, but honesty is best, because you want more than a hobby. You are looking to make this a career.

That said. Irminsul is dead-on. The majors are looking for hot looking 20 somethings, for solo artists, and even for bands. 40's is almost impossible to hope for a major record deal, even 30's is really pushing it. Yes, there are 30 something artists that get signed, but they have usually been at this awhile, and already have self produced CD's and have shown the majors, that they have x amount of people signed up on their mailing list, and have sold x amount of CD's on their own, then the Majors "may" get interested, because she is already a somewhat proven commodity. A major label spends over 100,000 dollars to produce and distribute a CD. Maybe 90% of the acts they sign go nowhere, and they lose whatever amount of that money that has not been made back through sales and touring. The deal you sign with a major, and whatever advance they may pay, comes back off to them off the top, including touring expenses, travel expenses, everything. It's not the dream world most imagie it to be. That is how groups like TLC are multi-platinum selling artists, with hit songs, and travelling in limos, and seem to be on top of the world, but 3 years into their fame, are still relatively poor. Because the record company designs it's contracts, to recoup ALL expenses they have paid out, and make some kind of profit, within the first 2 or 3 years. That is done, because they don't expect most artists to be famous and still selling big, past the 3 year mark. And most don't. The record companies aren't that stupid. They have been doing this a long time. They are going to their money before you do. They are going to control what goes on your records, your image, everything they can, because they are going to follow their formula for what they think will make them money. That is why, it is not until you negotiate your next contract, and have outlived the first contract and are still going strong, that you have a chance at real money, and even more importantly, artistic freedom. Air Supply for example, used to bemoan the fact, that their label would not let them put rocking songs on their albums. In concert, they had some rocking music, but the label felt that it was the mushy ballads, that people wanted, and made the label money, so that's all they would allow on the records.

These days however, the majors are shaking in their boots. They are becoming more and more irrelevant with music sharing sites like Limewire eating into their profits, and Indie labels taking more and more of a share of the pie. Also, because of their long set cookie-cutter way of thinking, the majors do a far worse job of finding the pulse of modern music listeners, than the Indies do. In another 5 to 10 years, it will be even worse, and the majors will not have a stranglehold any longer in the music business. They are losing that hold even as we speak. The major record label deal is becoming a thing of the past in terms of importance or significance. With the internet, people can find and share the music they like bypassing the majors altogether.

But, back to your singing career...

The majors are looking for 20 somethings, but there are certain genres where you can push that a little, such as Country music, Gospel, etc... While those genres want young artists too, they are much more forgiving of the age barrier, if they are moved by what you do.

The reason I laid it on the table about your abilities like I did, is because you are talking about major record deals and such. At your age, and with your current abilities, it is an impossibility, unless you are a novelty act like William Hung. But you don't want to be laughed at do you? You want to be taken seriously and appreciated.

Put impossible dreams on the shelf for now. Persue realistic dreams first. You need to concentrate on developing your skill first. There are too many good singers out there, and too many of them will be younger and prettier than you. Your goal right now should be to become a decent lead singer. One good enough to front a local band. That will get you in front of people and on a stage. A performer thrives on being in front of an audience. That's what we do. Sure, singing for 100,000 people is amazing, but singing for 100 people that are appreciative, feels pretty damn good too!

You're not going to get a major deal and become famous. You are not good enough, and you are starting far too late. But you CAN get good enough to become "known" and appreciated locally, and maybe make a living at it. For most people that don't even try, YOU ARE living a dream in many of their minds. They will see you on stage and wish sometimes it was them, but.... they didn't even try. You have the balls to try, which is more than most people will ever do. And if you work at this, which you seem to be doing, and don't give up, and continue getting better, I think you could find success on the local level, and develop a touring circuit.

You said you were offered a role as a back-up singer. Get your ass in that band, and get your feet wet. There is MUCH more to being a performer than the sound you make. You need to learn stage presence, learn to work a crowd, take them on a journey, entertain them! Start there, and develop your skill and confidence, until YOU are the one, that everyone sees should be on the main mic. Tell the band, that you will do back-up vocals, but would like to sing a few songs on lead once in a awhile. See how it goes, see how it feels, see how you like it. Learn the craft. If you really love it, as most of us here do, you will not feel a failure, because you are performing for a few hundred in local clubs, rather than tens of thousands in a stadium.

If you love it, you'll find satisfaction, even without stardom.

#11998 by TheCaptain
Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:04 pm
whether for good or bad . finally someone who spilled the beans about how it all works.



:?

#12272 by RhythmMan
Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:15 pm
Yep. ya gotta be young, determined, willing to play what you're told to, and pretty.
:shock:

#18095 by RhythmMan
Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:19 pm
Well, I'm determined, anyway . . .

#18226 by Irish Anthony
Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:29 pm
well from my own experience i was sighed to a label by the time i was 28 and released my first album by the time i was 29 like most people i thought that all my problems were over once you get signed but in truth thats when the real problems start,its a kind of pressure that nothing in life can prepare you for,your life is not your own and you become a commodity to be bought and sold...getting signed is not the light at the end of the tunnel,i would never agin wish to be signed to a label that i didnt own...so thats what im doing now and believe me its alot more satisfying.

#18229 by Irminsul
Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:58 pm
Yup.

Getting "signed" really doesn't mean that much. It's just the beginning of your troubles, really, because then you have to go promote the living hell out of the album so the company at least makes its investment back, and hopefully a profit. That rarely happens.
#18493 by On A Sun
Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:11 pm
There is a movie called "Before The Music Dies". I t interviews artists like Dave Mathews, Bonnie Raitt and My Morning Jacket, as well as many others. The premise is that the "world" needs great music. It is up to great artists of any age to create great stuff. I believe that if you put out amazing music that the world will soak it up. It's not as hard these days to get stuff heard. There are many markets out there including the "sexy pop youth" market. There is also the chill stuff you want to listen to on your home stereo. Write the best stuff you can imagine and get great recordings of it made and get it out there. Many producers are quite approachable. More so than major labels. If you build it they will come. Good Luck with huge amounts of perseverance
#18589 by Irminsul
Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:40 pm
On A Sun wrote:There is a movie called "Before The Music Dies". I t interviews artists like Dave Mathews, Bonnie Raitt and My Morning Jacket, as well as many others. The premise is that the "world" needs great music. It is up to great artists of any age to create great stuff. I believe that if you put out amazing music that the world will soak it up. It's not as hard these days to get stuff heard. There are many markets out there including the "sexy pop youth" market. There is also the chill stuff you want to listen to on your home stereo. Write the best stuff you can imagine and get great recordings of it made and get it out there. Many producers are quite approachable. More so than major labels. If you build it they will come. Good Luck with huge amounts of perseverance


Good point. Moreover, the definition of "great music" is so diverse now that it doesn't even serve to try and define it anymore. What many people are actually saying when they say "great music" is "popular music that makes money".

We have thankfully grown beyond that.

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