United States

Some folks here may know this - the newer ones may not.

There is a TWO YEAR delay at the Library of Congress.
They are so unorganized there that the backup for new copyrights is now two years.

Unbelievable.

Technically you are covered from the day the Library of Congress receives your song.
But I've sent them so many songs (over 50 in the last few years) that I'm afraid of Bureaucratic screw-up.
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I submit my songs by the internet. That way it's $35/song, rather than $45/song. (or collection, whichever . . .)
So, now my songs are buried on a hard drive somewhere.
What if they erase it by accident?
. . . not that they could possibly make a mistake, or anything . . .
Ha!
I don't care if I am 'technically covered.'
I don’t trust those imperious bureaucrats. I want my copyright in writing,
I want what I paid for.
Otherwise, if I put a song in public - I lose the song; because people have no qualms about stealing another person's work, nowadays. None at all; no conscience.
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So I wait and wait - my new songs turning into old songs - while the government does nothing.
Hell - if they’re so busy - the should hire another 100 people.
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There's no good reason to have to wait TWO YEARS for a copyright from the government. They just keep taking my money, and I'm getting nothing in return.
For them (at $35 a song - and thousands of songs submitted a day) it's just free money. It's a cash-cow.
If any other company on Earth cashed your check immediately, and didn't give you what you paid for - for 2 years - they's be buried in lawsuits and out of business withing a year.

Read understood but................

I've known this for a while now and think that anyone offering me a copyright for a fee is complete rubbish. 2 years is a joke.

Yah know RM I've been thinking about this. (Dangerous when I think).
When you buy something from an on-line store you get a receipt. When you pay a bill on-line you get a receipt.

If all they are sending is a damned receipt then why can't you print the damned receipt thing off there and then? It's complicated as heck (as usual) to get anything done with anything gov related but I don't see the problem and in fact need to do this at all.

In the confirmation mail it says right before uploading.

You will be issued a paper certificate by mail after the registration has been completed.

This was my start date: The Claim was received on 08/31/2009.

It does beg the question that if they are so busy with work not to be able to send a friggin piece of paper for two years that data between now and then will obviously get lost. If they are busy because of new claims then there should be enough cash to update what is an archaic web site.

Either case seems to be impossible right now doesn't it? I've starting asking folks abroad now how they go about things? I mean it shouldn't matter if you were at the bloody north pole as to where the copyright was posted, if it does matter then conversely its probably rubbish abroad in which case its altogether a useless bloody practice!

There Saturday rant over and done with

This to me is an example of something the Government has no business doing in the first place.
The whole copyright organization should be privatized.
To think that a government office could somehow prove and guarantee creative ownership for the millions of people whom want to copyright or patent anything is just ridiculous.
Let the blood sucking lawyers handle this, and get them the hell out of Congress while we are at it.

I think I can understand gov involvement to a point but I cannot see the point if you don't have paper proof of anything other than your bank statement. How stupid is that? What would you buy from anywhere without having concrete proof that you paid for it?

There are other places. I'm checking on those later but I am starting to think its a waste of time and just to enjoy what I enjoying doing and to hell with it all.

This to me is an example of something the Government has no business doing in the first place.
The whole copyright organization should be privatized.
To think that a government office could somehow prove and guarantee creative ownership for the millions of people whom want to copyright or patent anything is just ridiculous.
Let the blood sucking lawyers handle this, and get them the hell out of Congress while we are at it.

enjoy what I enjoying doing and to hell with it all.

SEE !! Thats what I'm a talkin bout right there.

That attitude will not help one to obtain their goals, though . . .

Rm
I have so much stuff on the back burner it isn't true anymore.
Am I supposed to wait In the hope that things will (sort of) Stabilize should I sing?

That for me is everything because if I don't then I could but admonished as a 'ran the course but didn't finish person'.

Wish I had a job. I don't. This is all I have.

That attitude will not help one to obtain their goals, though . . .

That attitude will not help one to obtain their goals, though . . .

That all depends one one's goals Alan.

If one person's life is affected for the better by our music / mission.
If one soul finds the light.
If the Spirit moves in just one soul.

My goal has been reached, irrelevant of whom plays our music.


Perhaps a copyright would expand the area over which we cast our shadow.
But for sure, the lack of a copyright will not overshadow the power of the Holy Spirit.

Well they do say 'In God we trust everyone else pays cash!". Still annoying however if you want to do things properly.

I did find this which does list musical copyrights:
http://www.wipo.int/portal/index.html.en

Also this which clearly states they are NOT taking any more applications.
http://www.songcopyright.org/

This from Legal Zoom which lists again the Gov way of doing it.
http://www.legalzoom.com/legal-copyrigh ... rview.html

Which begs a question?
If they are bogged down do we assume then that EVERY song on the Internet is now up for grabs? What does that say about our plight in difficult times in any case? Of course its worth doing something you enjoy greatly but if you just want to put something to bed and be happy in the knowledge people will know at least that it was actually you.....?

Was it just the fact that people were securing what assets they had so as not to be plundered in the recession or just the inability to be able to pass one piece of paper across to another desk as in the Immigration Naturalization process.

Whatever your take on this is? You have to admit its highly annoying, it shouldn't happen in a growing and paperless world.

It's not that what I am writing will change the world, it won't but please allow me to say I did it.

I'll release demos again. Seems the only thing I can do at the moment, I might pass on before they get their act together.

To say "The Hell with it all" is not conducive to success, regardless of copyrights or your religion or your politics - or anything.
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Seems like it's swapping the future for instant gratification, eh?
Or maybe it just seems that for someone to say 'the hell with it all,' kinda shows little ambition, and zero determination.

It doesn't matter what our goals are; it's like giving up, and that's a loser mindset. . . . not a good thing to get used to; we deserve better than that.
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If someone has already achieved all their goals - that's different; and they're maybe more accomplished than me.
And - that's fine, really.
You are you, and I am me.
But - that has nothing to do with copyrights.
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" . . . the lack of a copyright will not overshadow the power of the Holy Spirit . . ."
Umm, yeah ok, whatever. But I don't see a connection between copyrights and religion.
I'm not gonna argue religion; I'm just observing that if we say "the hell with everything; I'm just gonna have fun" - then we don't have any goals in the first place.
But -
If someone doesn't have any goals, or if they feel they've reached all their goals or even feel like they just don't need any goals, then that's fine with me. That's their business.
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We all need to find our own motives for action.
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Back on topic - It's interesting to note that copyrights are $35, and they make you wait 2 years.
But, there IS a way to speed up the process.
For a mere $750 more, the government will "rush" your application, and you might get it within a month.
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So, for a total of about $800, they will process your application in a normal, timely manner.
. . . so generous of them.

But, there IS a way to speed up the process.
For a mere $750 more, the government will "rush" your application, and you might get it within a month.
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So, for a total of about $800, they will process your application in a normal, timely manner.
. . . so generous of them.

Alan

I like you would like to see an improvement in the whole situation.
I must however respectfully disagree.
A warrior can work toward his or her goal without "investing" in it emotionally.
As a matter of course a warrior must or he / she will fail.
This is not a "loser" mentality, any more than simply being present in the now of combat vs concern over winning or losing.

Become what ye resist or adapt and overcome.

Very difficult yet simple.

Well I guess laws are there for a reason. since its law here that you have to present your work to the Gov to secure some small hope. (And I mean some small hope). Of proving you did something then that's they way it just has to be.

I'll compile mine and send it all off next week, after some minor modifications. It doesn't mean I think its fair it means there is a law over here that states this is the way to do it if you want any hope of etc................

That's it for me.

Hey, that's life.
I accept it.
I don't see reason to be happy with bureaucracy; it has nothing to do with being a warrior.
Warriors have always detested bureaucrats, and always will.