General Music Chat

We could be at the forefront of new technologies, alternative fuels, unthought-of new stuff, if we had the educated ppl to do the jobs.

That was exactly what I stated, wasn't it?

We don't need to continue to buy low-dollar low-quality merchandise from abroad. It's ruining us.

Low dollar products are wonderful! And it doesn't always mean that they are also low quality. You seem to want us to return to the 1950's, but that will NEVER happen, nor should it happen. Technology is too advanced. We don't need an iron that will last for 50 years and cost $150 dollars. New technology continues to make irons better, with better efficiency, better energy savings, better heat, and even safer, where they will shut off when left unattended accidentally. There are MANY benefits to products being improved through advances in technology. We end up buying the newest product every few years? So what? Find ways of recycling them, or donate them to charities or poorer families, etc...

Don't we want better energy efficiency? Better features? Safer products?

There was another guy who wanted to return to simpler lifestyles, and who bemoaned the rapid increases in technology... Ted Kaczynski, otherwise known, as The Unibomber.

What Ted seemed to dismiss, is how technology has improved our lives, our longevity, safety, productivity. And it holds the key as well, to overpopulation, dwindling resources, and eventually... world cooperation, and the very success of the species.

We could ALL live better, healthier, safer and more productive lives, if the world would embrace technology, as much for the betterment of the species, as the personal gain it affords us as individuals.

Once again, if we could work together to "Learn war no more" then much of the massive budgets of industrialized countries, could be reallocated to finding more efficient ways to feed ourselves, house ourselves, care for the ill and aged, etc...

People are living longer due to modern technological advancements. This certainly aids in creating an overpopulated Earth. The solution is not to kill more people, or let entire cities die of malnutrition, disease and starvation. The solution lies in the vast resources of the cosmos. the solution lies in INCREASING technological advancements, and making space travel ROUTINE, so that in a few centuries, we can find other worlds to settle and populate.

The person who purchased Alaska for around 7 million dollars, was DERIDED for the "costly" purchase of what was considered a wasteland back then. That state has since produced BILLIONS of dollars in revenues, and paid for itself, countless times over.

Space, would be that result, multiplied by infinity!

You don't really believe that do you?
Here's a byte count from this thread...

P = Page.

P 1. 18173
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= 258191
Roughly a quarter of a megabyte. Not much you might say, however..........

This thread has been viewed 1315 times at time of writing this.
Each time someone reads a post that post counts towards that megabyte usage at the same rate as that usage, in this case 258191 Bytes.

Its called bandwidth. This costs money too but whatever.

Ok lets assume they don't read the whole thing so we'll snap 3/4 from that total each time roughly equating to 64547.75 bytes meaning some 84880291.25 bytes are used each time it it viewed.

There I've just added to it too.

I'm a small time web host but have a good name and my prices are good with a good backbone in data transfer, solid team behind me. My megabyte cost is around 99c per megabyte to the customer over one year depending on the type of account.

Anyway this translates (Roughly) to 84880291 in megabytes. It is generally excepted that a Megabyte is 1,048.576 bytes.

Add that to the power we all use when turning on our dust collecting pc's, the electric, also that this place more than likely has a dedicated server which is not cheap at all.

******* I've not even accounted for the images used, font sizes formatted text. *******

It costs roughly a quarter to start a car engine so I just read somewhere thus costing someone else some more money to bring that data here.

As you can see it costs more than starting your car.
Right I'm off to look for a job at Mythbusters!


Page 10 now.

less than you turning on your keys for 5 minutes. it costs much more to bring a pound of butter to market than this thread does.
Butter is the one thing NASA is going to have a tough time making better.

Yes, Craig, you said that, too. But I said it in a single sentence. LOL

Low cost merch at the cost of the lesser lifestyles of others is not the answer, either, Craig, but that is what we as a nation are promoting every day & with nearly every purchase of foreign merch, while it costs another group of Americans a possible job.

We had the best steel in the world. We had the best cars in the world. We had the best everything that we made in the world. Now we have nothing but what others make, for the most part. They certainly aren't benefitting from thier labor as well as Americans did. Why not? Because we arent' willing to pay for thier labor like we do American labor, & now we seem rather reluctant to pay for American labor at all. This needs tp be addressed.

You mentioned recycling, & that made me guffaw out loud, dude. We live in a disposable country. Haven't you noticed? How many television repair small businesses are in YOUR neihgborhood? How many small appliance repair joints? Do you believe that this stuff is being RECYCLED? HAH!

Over 2/3 of all recycled material ultimately ends in land fills, or the ocean. Check it out.

That's all I'm saying. I'm done here.

Oh, & thanks for the comparison to Ted Kaszinski. You always have the right thing to say to try to tweak anyone who disagrees with you, don't you?

Any idea just how much oil a wasted thread like this uses?

It's obviously not wasted.

People are posting to it.

As mentioned to you a dozen times, if you don't enjoy a particular discussion, you're free not to participate in it. There are threads that don't interest me, and I just don't comment them. I don't try to infringe on anyone else's free speech, because I find those topics boring.

Do you also call up the cable tv companies, because you don't like seeing news channels, or the weather channel, or shopping channels so close on the dial to Disney and Nick at Night?

Or do you just, not click on those channels, you don't care for, and stick with the ones you DO like?

Why wouldn't you employ the same strategy here?


I don't harp on you, when you post a subject like...

"Indian Curry!"

And the body merely reads...

"I like cooking with it!"


Live and let live Chippy.

Craig....
Dear Craig....
Search the index.
I've never started a thread on 'Indian Curry".

I think you are confusing the places that you/we visit maybe? Facebook/MySpace.
Anyway you are or will be gone from them for good as of tomorrow morning.

Please stop taking things SO personally!
Thank you.

Goodnight.

Yes, Craig, you said that, too. But I said it in a single sentence. LOL

True.

I'll never qualify for a job editing copy for the newspapers. That's for sure!

Low cost merch at the cost of the lesser lifestyles of others is not the answer, either, Craig,

It doesn't have to mean "lesser lifestyles" though Phil.

We are primarily in financial disarray for several reasons. One of which is the expense of managing TWO simultaneous wars, and the other is our own decisions, to live beyond our means and not prepare for the future. That second one is a HUGE factor. But just because a certain number of people are alcoholics, doesn't mean that all alcohol should be abolished. That is basically what YOU are proposing here.

"We can FORCE people to buy American, pay laborers exorbitant prices, throw tariffs on imports, and charge super high prices to compensate for it all. Which will FORCE Americans to buy products that will become outdated within 2 years, but will last us 50 years on our kitchen counters, while we simultaneously destroy our own exports to foreign countries!"

Setting fixed wages... Forcing people to buy only "approved" products, guaranteeing jobs for life...

It's called Communism.

Those living living under it, don't seem very happy with it though. Cause their leaders keep having to FORCE the people to remain in their own countries!

We had the best steel in the world.

What happens when the iron runs out, and we can't make steel anymore? Do we import iron and carbon from other countries (though you are against imported items), to keep our people producing steel, thereby securing those jobs?

When cars were only made out of metal, and they began switching to composite materials, should they have outlawed those materials, to ensure steel continued being used, thereby ensuring steel worker's jobs?

We had the best cars in the world.

Why did we lose that? Cause car manufacturers were LAZY and ARROGANT, and were NOT producing the automobiles people wanted and NEEDED (fuel efficient) and the government simply subsidized them, to keep this error going! And you want the government to step in even more! Wow! What was the result of having imported cars that we liked better? Natural trends in the market place FORCED the car manufacturers, to change their ways, and guess what? We make some of the best automobiles in the world... AGAIN!

When an area of land turns into a desert, and farmers cannot farm there any longer, what do you think? Should the government import dirt, or maybe vegetables from other states for these farmers to resell, so they can keep their jobs for life? Or should the farmers adapt, and buy land somewhere else, or maybe go into another industry?

Sam Kinison said it best...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKNoJ2BzSRU

You mentioned recycling, & that made me guffaw out loud, dude. We live in a disposable country. Haven't you noticed?

Yeah I did notice that actually.

That doesn't stop anyone from inventing new methods of using our disposable trash in productive and even PROFITABLE ways does it? In fact, there are scientists working on such things right now. Building houses out of it, building products out of it. I have seen sidewalks built with old tires. They are much more comfortable to walk on, and are a wise use of old rubber.

We are a creative species Phil.

We can find solutions, without inhibiting a more enjoyable, or less stressful lifestyle.

How many television repair small businesses are in YOUR neighborhood? How many small appliance repair joints? Do you believe that this stuff is being RECYCLED? HAH!

If it's being fixed, and then used by people who can't afford new appliances, then IT IS effectively being recycled, isn't it?

Oh, & thanks for the comparison to Ted Kaszinski. You always have the right thing to say to try to tweak anyone who disagrees with you, don't you?

I think you are much more interesting than Ted is Phil!

Search the index.
I've never started a thread on 'Indian Curry".

Yeah. I said a subject "like" that, meaning similar. Sorry for the misunderstanding. You DID post one on Margerine though, which was very much similar.

Somehow it is ok, for YOU to post subjects that have nothing to do with music, but others cannot do the same?

Anyway you are or will be gone from them for good as of tomorrow morning.

Again?

You have to be able to TAKE, the same arguments you dish out Chippy. That's just common sense.

Please stop taking things SO personally!

It "WAS" personal Chipster. You were bemoaning the "wasted" bandwidth, of a thread, I have made many responses to. Which means that "I" and anyone else who posted in it, were wasting bandwidth in YOUR mind.

Though text uses VERY LITTLE bandwidth to begin with.

It was YOU that opened this door back up though, wasn't it? You refuse to live and let live, and when I comment about your re-hash of an old complaint.... you delete me as a friend.

Does that action really place you on the higher moral plane?

Think about it.

Geeze, we got more important things.
The fed just announced a 25 basis point increase in fed lending, at the end of the day, with no prior announcement. This is not standard practice. The stock market is so jittery right now this could put a damper on so many American retirement accounts.

Dollars up, sounds good right,,,,. Now it will cost business more to borrow if they can find those loans. That is a minor point. This is just a way for the treasury to print more money,and in the end the dollar is actually worth less.

That $5 dollar box of cereal I keep talking about,,,,, get ready to pay $6.

Taxes, the word is that the only people that can help reduce the the national debt are you and me . Are we bleeding enough ,yet?

Text character = one byte, so it does.

No you brought something into here from another place where I chat with family and friends that I've known for years. This isn't fair and tells a story, I posted about the usage because I thought it funny that was all. Its a fact too but I know it won't rest easy.

What bothers me is that topics like this keep rearing their ugly heads like a serpents arched back as it swings through the water, thus jamming down musical topics with a well honed and deliberate wedge.

I don't know? You appear to be the one with all the answers here.

Does that action really place you on the higher moral plane?

Think about it.

Chippy ,these are the problems that are stopping everyone from having enough free time, and lack of worries , to concentrate on the arts.
If you are insulted by all this ,don't get involved in the thread.
I wish everyone was in great financial shape. These threads would DRY up very quickly.
It is hard to concentrate on being creative when so many people are struuggling just pay their bills,mortgages,and working so hard to keep up.
Mark ,if you don't like these threads don't get involved. There are many , many threads that have nothing to do with religion or politics. Don't get pissed off because of this. Notice I had some some simple fun with your thread about BUTTER.

The Margarine thread was a joke too.
I don't know Glen? Depends what sort of character you are really right? Cup half empty, cup half full?

When times are tough and they are then I try to seek solice in something that might cheer me up, doesn't always work but I at least try. Yes I get down too and yes my creativity is suffering, also, it is so annoying. However I do not pour boiling oil on a fire, those who play with it will eventually get burned. (Something a mentor used to say). He was hardly ever wrong.

No you are right I'll just STFU.

Notice I had some some simple fun with your thread about BUTTER.

Don't feel bad Chippy this thread was also started as a joke. I know I've laughed my butt off at most of it.

No worries Jimmeah. Don't mean no trouble, only got a mag light and a catapult anyway. Mind I'm thinking about the man traps and Gatling gun. Oh AA guns too these days

Don't feel bad Chippy this thread was also started as a joke. I know I've laughed my butt off at most of it.

I've posted a lot of musical threads that just die, but the religion and political threads hang around like a cat you shouldn't have fed.

Chippy, you don't have to stfu bro.

That's the point really.

I don't want to be censored, so I don't censor others.

I know it depresses you to read bad news, or things that people have arguments over, but pretending problems don't exist, doesn't solve them. We may not be solving anything by merely discussing these issues either, but if nothing else, it improves UNDERSTANDING when several points of view on the same issue is discussed. And it also gives people a chance to vent if they need to. Better for someone to vent online, than with a gun, right? Or with an airplane! (IRS building)

People need to be able to discuss issues with civility anyway.

This could be good practice for some.

LOL