General Music Chat

Okay, you all might think I'm crazy, but I saw 9-11 in my dream about 6 month's before it happened, and when I saw the footage, I thought it had to be a movie. And no it's not at all inconcievable that it was a conspiricy. It's actually quite probable.

At this point? I believe that gaggle of criminal creeps is capable of ANYTHING.

Funny when people question Bush's action and decisions, he hides behind our brave men and women and states "if you critisize me , you're critisizing our troops"...........what a coward!!!!

As to conspiracy theories. Of course it's possible. Anything on that level of government is possible.

Wasn't it Stalin who said that the death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.

That sentiment is certainly not exclusive to Communists.

Even stranger was the Pentagon "attack". A plane full fueled (757),going 700 miles per hour , with that size and mass slamming in to a building would devastate the building more than just leaving a small damaging hole. You never see a section of any of the wings, no luggage, or an engine. I seen picture that were taken before the attack, some cars are still in tact but burning by the epi center of the crash of the building. Do a google search on the pictures and you'll see the proof. I think Bush and Co. allowed 9-11 to happen and motivate our country to war. The terror attacks saved Bush's Presidency and made his friends rich. Iraq was a diversion to not catch Mr. Bin Laddin, for Bush needs Ossama more than Al Qadda.

The Olympic massacre in Munich 1972, a plane blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, over 300 schoolchildren slaughtered in Bislan, Russia, innocent tourists blown up in Bali, numerous suicide bombings in Israel, the London transit bombings, massive transit bombing in Bombay, India, our marine barracks blown up in Lebanon, the Madrid bombings, Saddam invading Kuwait, Arabs hijacking a plane and landing it in Uganda and the subsequent rescue by Israeli forces (thank God), two of our embassies blown up in Africa, the original twin tower bombing in the early nineties (imagine what would have happened if the buildings collapsed back then?), the list goes on and on and on and on. It's a shame that most of the people on this thread refuse to face the reality that Muslims are at war with most non-Muslim nations. We have to face up to the FACT that we need a strong military presence in the Middle East. We have to use all our resources to either imprison or kill people who have so eloquently shown they are hell-bent on killing us. This is a clear cut black and white issue. I'd much rather go to their funeral than they go to mine. When you find out you have cancer cells growing in your body you try to eradicate them. That's exactly what terrorists are, a cancer growing on the Earth and they must be destroyed, it's as simple as that. Later...

bob, I'm guessing you watch fox news and not bbc, right?(hehe)
I'm no conspiracy theorist... although I believe/know anything/everything is possible...
I just don't think the actual bombing had to be a conspiracy to show corruption. There is plenty of legitimate and documented corruption to go around... but lets not debate that...

You say we need to strike against those who would harm us...
there are plenty of people who would love to harm the us that aren't muslim, and have tried and now have nuclear weapons(korea).
lemme guess - you'd say those crazy communists are right up there with the crazy muslims.
It almost sounds as if you wanna say muslims are ALL evil...
doesn't that sound a lot like the muslims saying we are infidels?

Seriously... step away from the argument for a second, let all emotion dissolve, and then reread your post and tell me you don't sound just as extreme. You even say thank god in the middle of your post... now, I like you, and I really want to hear you tell me that "ALL muslims aren't bad and it's just a few extreme nutjobs that are the real problem". so I'll be waiting for that.
thanks for the ear
mv

It's a shame that most of the people on this thread refuse to face the reality that Muslims are at war with most non-Muslim nations....

Bob, that's just plain false.

The vast VAST majority of world Muslims are good, educated, compassionate people who want the same things out of life that you do. The "war" is between a gaggle (and yes it is remarkably small) of fundamentalist nutcases on BOTH sides. We have them too....and if you doubt that, go check out what high ranking General Boykin said about Islam. You'd think the guy was a reincarnated knight from the First Crusades.

Bob the last thing we need in the Middle East are more soldiers. I don't know if you recall, but the primary reason for the 9/11 attacks stated by AlQaeda was US military in the Arab World...especially in BinLaden's
home turf of Saudi Arabia. Moreover, the attacks were a response to literally decades of intrusive, militarily beligerent and just plain wrong US interference in the Arab World. I have watched as, slowly over my lifetime, my beloved nation has kept inserting more and more of its soldiery and military hardware all over the world. This is not what a peacable, democratic nation should be up to, Bob. When you do this to peoples land and homes, they eventually get pissed. And they hit BACK.

So the next time you feel the urge to parrot the usual FOX News nonsense about the Arab Threat, ask yourself: What would YOU do if a large foreign power were stationing troops in your town....running tanks around YOUR streets.....waking YOUR family in the wee hours with arbitrary arrests and even mass killings. Put yourself in their shoes.

Then tell me who's at war with whom.

I have started a reply to this 3 to 4 different times before and decided to keep my opinion to myself, But I will give my 2 cents worth. Everyone here has very interesting, & different views on the way the US should conduct Military interventions toward hostile & Barbaric countries. Maybe we should give the Presidency to 'Jimmy Carter'....(Again). How do you think 'Ronald Reagan', 'George Washington, Say.. Even Abraham Lincoln, etc. would react if they were the current Presedent of the United States. Toward Iraq, Afgan'., Iran, North Korea, etc.? {All the other Presedent in our countries history, In our present times of war, How would've they reacted to 9/11} In my personal opinion, It doesnt matter who are the Presedents, of the future. Because they are loseing their power more & more as 'Comander In Chief' of the Military, With every Presedential Election. [In the field of battel, A cmmander is left in full charge to react at their own indescretion. To attack without thinking. Any hesitation could result, With disaster]. No one wants to have wars, But their will always be wars raged for years to come... In My Opinion. We should had moved forces in on 'Somolia, Africa' With the loss of 13 of our finest soilders, All for nothing! And Right! 'Clinton' was Presedent. I guess its obvious that what I am triying to suggest is, That in my opinion. When our Commander in Chief losses all control of our Military. (At least until the world has become more evolved & civilized, No more Genocides, etc.)...... "GOD SAVE US ALL"!!! When our 'Commander in Chief' Loses his full authority to react toward hostile aggression toward our Homeland............. VB.

was the first sign of him loosing control the fact that we needed a paper reason to justify our actions... something like the intelligence that they had "weapons of mass destruction"?

and yet there were none...

See how easily they can sidestep the "checks and balances".

With all due respect vandb, I really don't think our presidents ability to send out our millitary is at stake here... not even close.

was the first sign of him loosing control the fact that we needed a paper reason to justify our actions... something like the intelligence that they had "weapons of mass destruction"?

and yet there were none...

See how easily they can sidestep the "checks and balances".

With all due respect vandb, I really don't think our presidents ability to send out our millitary is at stake here... not even close.

Everything is at stake Brother, I think you misunderstood the content of my reply. I meant it as to reflect on our histories past wars, Leaders, & The future of our country, & Leaders to be. I dont watch much news, & I dont believe anything they report. But Ive been around long enough, Since the late 60s. From the Veitnam war until now, & Ive seen things change. ["We would all like things to stay as they are, Without change, But history will not permit it"] {Quote} John F. Kennedy.

sorry if I misinterpreted... seemed to me you were saying that our president is in jeapardy of loosing effective control of the military because of all of the (bleeding heart)liberal foot stomping and protest to the situation in the middle east... wich is a common theme among less liberal politicians... not that I know anything about politics... if that isn't what you meant than I have missed your point.
Glad to hear you don't believe what you hear on the tv ONLY. We all need to temper our views with a variety of sources, myself included.
Nice quote by kennedy - brilliant speaker.

Consider the following.

"From 1945 to the end of the century, the United States attempted to overthrow more than 40 foreign governments, and to crush more than 30 populist-nationalist movements struggling against intolerable regimes......In the process, the US caused the end of life for several million people, and condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair."

– Rogue State by William Blum.

Check out the looooong list of nations that we interfered with militarily, or used clandestine plots to overthrow ->

http://www.doublestandards.org/enemies.htm


I crossed checked these with other sources so I didn't just give you one ridiculously biased link. Now, who is the real world threat, at present?

I don't know much about politics... but one need not look further than the example of communism vs. democracy to see how "one-sided" things are.
When I was young... schools taught that communism was bad...
"look at all the people waiting in line for bread"...
Reagon said we needed to fight communism...
over and over again...
look at communist russia... stalin... etc.
now, while most of that is true on some level or another (ppul do wait in line for bread)...
it's sad how many ppul think that THAT is what communism/socialism is all about (not that i know).
once in college and I actually read some socialist philosophers...
I realized that in theory the ideas were just as valid and well intentioned as ideas found in the core of democracy...
but the corruption of those principles - the same corruption we see in our democracy - is what makes it so easy to shrug off the ideas as left-wing-commie-pinko-liberal-crap... so why are we taught that communism is so wrong? Because no one wants to go die in a war fighting against people who are really "just like us" and "not so bad except for a few corrupted leaders".
BTW I bring this up because communism was said to be a "cancer on society" too(reagon again I think).

When the government declares a new "cancer on society" or "threat to our lifestyle", beware. Those are typical memes which suggest they are up to no good.