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#101098 by philbymon
Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:26 pm
I believe I said it rather clearly, Glen. Use the tax system as a carrot & stick for those who need that sorta treatment.

And frankly, from what I see, there is no way we can get around taxing ppl & co's to get over htis mess. As you're so fond of saying - the money hasta come from somewhere.

I say cut a lot of fluff, but even that won't cover the hole we've dug ourselves. We're all gonnq hafta chip in.

#101101 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:42 pm
And I say you are allready standing in that hole ,so deep , the sun won't shine on your butt ever again.
The only reason why your customer base is not as big as you need is because they don't have any money left. they are living off credit cards to afford a $5 box of cereal that should only cost$2.

Untill govt at all levels stops taxing at the levels now,,,,Phil , you better go find a govt job, Aint nobody gonna have any money and it isn't gonna be pretty.

#101102 by J-HALEY
Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:54 pm
What Glen Said!!!! :wink:

#101104 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:12 am
And Why Does Our Govt Keep Having To Raise Taxes???
BECAUSE THEY KEEP WASTING ALL OF YOUR, YOUR, YOUR ,HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS!!!!

Perfect ex. DESERT STORM. Our wonderful military went in and kicked the sh*t out of saddams battle hardened troops in 2 days. IRAN couldn't do it in 8 years. Did we finish the job? NOOOOO.george senior was to concerned with his standing with the UN.

Warp speed ahead,capt scott, we go in all over again, and blow another few pesos. That war was won by our military in 4 days.
Mission accomplished,NOOOOO. Now we make the major mistake. Lets just stay a while and hold their hands so we don't see 3 dollar a gallon gasoline.

The point is we wasted alot of yours and mine tax dollars,untill this crap stops, our economic future is not bright no matter how much you raise taxes. In the end it only gets passed on down the line!

#101107 by CraigMaxim
Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:42 am
GLENJ wrote:

DESERT STORM. Our wonderful military went in and kicked the sh*t out of saddams battle hardened troops in 2 days. IRAN couldn't do it in 8 years. Did we finish the job? NOOOOO.george senior was to concerned with his standing with the UN.



Amen to that!

How far along would we have been by now, if Sr. had half the balls of Jr.?

That was 20 years ago now!

20 years, and we could have watched a Democracy form, or pulled the f*ck out, and have been living in a better economy now.

But our hands have been tied by energy lobbies as well. Warnings were given DECADES AGO, that we needed to invest more in alternative energy, so as to decrease our dependence on foreign oil, and simultaneously created cleaner and more sustainable energy sources. You would think we would have learned this lesson during the carter years, of odd/even license plates, but nooooooo....

Too much profits being reaped by cheaper oil.

Now we are paying for theirs and our shortsightedness.

China develops plans for 100 years into the future. Now at the rate of technological advancement, that is not always practical, but even so, there is much to be said for PREPARATION NOW, to meet future needs!

#101108 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:46 am
I just want, what I am sure all us want, the reason so many immigrants ,leagal or not are willing to risk all to come here. Hope and Opportunity.
This Country is filled with people that have the American Spirit,past and future.

We are not left wing,nor right wing , democrat, or republican, we are people that care enough to allways reach out a hand to those in need. We will not tolerate those that seek to take advantage and twist a govenment that was established by some very wise men over two hundred years ago.

We will not allow the few to steal from so many.

If you take my last loaf of bread than I have nothing to share with my neighbor!

Remember the American Spirit ,, We love ,we share ,we prosper,,,,,, remember the dog also bites.

#101109 by CraigMaxim
Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:51 am
philbymon wrote:
You can't blame that on Obama.



I blame Obama for TRIPLING the national debt.

And he STILL has done little for JOBS, which is most American's number one concern.

#101113 by CraigMaxim
Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:24 am
philbymon wrote:

We can certainly go back into the steel biz, the tv biz, the appliance biz.




The only problem with that is, that it would lower our standard of living, as far as our buying power. No one on Earth can compete with China for manufacturing cheap appliances. When it is cheap, you can afford to have the latest gadgets or appliances. And maybe even buy several of them, even on a smaller income.

You have to decide if the trade off is worth it.

When products are produced here, from people getting high salaries, then that extras cost gets passed along to the consumer. That means alot less purchasing power.

You can find ill effects resulting from a global economy, but there are also numerous advantages to a global economy. Not the least of which is that WE WANT TO SELL OUR PRODUCTS to countries overseas as well.

What is happening, is that we have been transitioning to a service based economy, more than an industrial based economy. Much as England before us. This doesn't mean we become insignificant, it merely means the world is changing and our economy is changing. We have to adapt with these changes, by EDUCATING our children, and sending them to college, so that they can have well paying careers, and we are creating more high tech jobs. New energy technologies, that can be exported as well, requiring skilled laborers and executives to institute these technologies in other countries.

We should focus more on being LEADERS in new technology and new energy sources, and bringing new wealth from areas such as those, than worrying and crying over dead-end factory or manufacturing jobs, that merely maintain a person's level of existence, with little chance of growing it.

#101114 by CraigMaxim
Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:30 am
jimmydanger wrote:
1) raise tariffs on ALL imported vehicles to the point that it is much cheaper to buy American



The problem with that, is that these countries then raise tariffs on our exports to them in response. That is why an open global economy works best. Then it becomes, a matter of who is producing the cheapest stuff, or the best quality and newest stuff.

What can be fairer, than a level playing field?

We either believe in American ingenuity and creativity, or we don't.

#101118 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:07 am
Hey Craig, latest national poll shows that there are 5 people left in the country with civilian paying jobs.
If we raise their taxes to 100% it is calculated that after 40 trillion years we can reduce our national deficit by one dollar.

NO NO NO NO ,,,,NO. Don't you dare just blame obama, lets blame every one, including all the people that don't have jobs. How dare you all,to not be able to pay 100% of your income to support our great nation. YOUVE GOT SOME NERVE NOT PAYING MORE.

News Flash...... Russia on the verge of financial collapse,,,Too many fleeing Americans have put an unsustainable burden on the russian economy. Demands for higher union wages , shorter work weeks, [5 hours max] ,free health care,food ,and sex and vodka, have lead to the decision to raise taxes.
The only other solution that was raised was to bring back stallin from the dead. :lol:

#101120 by J-HALEY
Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:13 am
Very Well Put Craig! As for me I choose to believe in America!

#101136 by CraigMaxim
Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:11 am
J-HALEY wrote:

He just killed Nasa's Constellation program to spite the fact that 10 billion dollars has already been spent on the program and the City Of Nassua Bay Texas a suburban area south of Houston is going to be hit hard a lot of Engineers are going to loose their jobs.



This is a BAD MOVE on Obama's part. the space program, and space exploration pays dividends that are almost limitless. Everyone is aware of many of the products and technologies that have trickled down into the marketplace, but had their origins in the space program.

Space could prove incredibly lucrative, considering there is a virtually limitless supply of minerals which could be mined. This could begin with the Moon itself.

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One obstacle to such exploitation could be treaties which prevent private ownership of celestial bodies, and may also contain language preventing them being mined for profit (I would have to research this to be sure). But I do know that there are various treaties that make exploitation of space difficult. Perhaps Obama (or his successor) could work on updating such treaties, and then begin to offer opportunities to private industry, much in the way the government did in building the transcontinental railway, where land was virtually given away, to private industry to lay the tracks, and private industry footed the bill of trains and tracks.

This partnership worked out well, and has done so in other areas, bringing advancement to America as a whole, and benefiting individuals, corporations and creating a huge new job sector. This could work in space as well, where the most prohibitive expense of space exploration is simply LAUNCHING the rockets, shuttles, etc... Perhaps the government should find ways to cooperate with the private sector, toward the exploration and exploitation of the resources found in space?

There is a single type of asteroid, known as as "S-type asteroids" for example, in which only a half-kilo of it's materials, provides iron, magnesium, cobalt, platinum and other metals and minerals. It's value has been estimated at 20 TRILLION for each one of that size.

20 TRILLION DOLLARS!!!

Supposedly, Obama's 2011 budget has provisions that may open the door to some kind of public/private partnership, but I have not researched it, to understand whether it has any real merit or not. But regardless of that, I think cutting the space program at all, is a HUGE mistake! And if the trend continues, it will eventually cause China to supplant us (and the Russians) as the preeminent leaders in space travel and exploration. The potential for profit in space, is simply astronomical (pun intended). And it would perhaps be, the single biggest mistake we ever made as a nation, if we allow any other nation to supplant us, in reaping the profits in resources, as well as the advances in technology, that space exploration offers us!

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It has been said that for every dollar spent in the space program, it has resulted in 7 dollars in return, in products developed, new technologies, etc...

If we are going to be forced to spend TRILLIONS of dollars in tax-payer money, perhaps a good portion of it, should be reallocated into ramping up our space program, and keeping us as a nation of pioneers! It could very well result in a brand new Gold Rush of epic proportions!


I found an interesting list of "SOME" of the spin-off products and technologies that have come directly from NASA research and development:


Computer Technology - NASA Spinoffs

GROUND PROCESSING SCHEDULING SYSTEM - Computer-based scheduling system that uses artificial intelligence to manage thousands of overlapping activities involved in launch preparations of NASA's Space Shuttles. The NASA technology was licensed to a new company which developed commercial applications that provide real-time planning and optimization of manufacturing operations, integrated supply chains, and customer orders.uu

SEMICONDUCTOR CUBING - NASA initiative led to the Memory Short Stack, a three-dimensional semiconductor package in which dozens of integrated circuits are stacked one atop another to form a cube, offering faster computer processing speeds, higher levels of integration, lower power requirements than conventional chip sets, and dramatic reduction in the size and weight of memory-intensive systems, such as medical imaging devices.

STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS - This NASA program, originally created for spacecraft design, has been employed in a broad array of non-aerospace applications, such as the automobile industry, manufacture of machine tools, and hardware designs.

WINDOWS VISUAL NEWS READER (Win Vn) - Software program developed to support payload technical documentation at Kennedy Space Center, allowing the exchange of technical information among a large group of users. WinVn is an enabling technology product that provides countless people with Internet access otherwise beyond their grasp, and it was optimized for organizations that have direct Internet access.

AIR QUALITY MONITOR - Utilizing a NASA-developed, advanced analytical technique software package, an air quality monitor system was created, capable of separating the various gases in bulk smokestack exhaust streams and determining the amount of individual gases present within the stream for compliance with smokestack emission standards.

VIRTUAL REALITY - NASA-developed research allows a user, with assistance from advanced technology devices, to figuratively project oneself into a computer-generated environment, matching the user's head motion, and, when coupled with a stereo viewing device and appropriate software, creates a telepresence experience.

Other spinoffs in this area include: Advanced keyboards, Customer Service Software, Database Management System, Laser Surveying, Aircraft controls, Lightweight Compact Disc, Expert System Software, Microcomputers, and Design Graphics.



Consumer/Home/Recreation - NASA Spinoffs

ENRICHED BABY FOOD - A microalgae-based, vegetable-like oil called Formulaid developed from NASA-sponsored research on long duration space travel, contains two essential fatty acids found in human milk but not in most baby formulas, believed to be important for infants' mental and visual development.

WATER PURIFICATION SYSTEM - NASA-developed municipal-size water treatment system for developing nations, called the Regenerable Biocide Delivery Unit, uses iodine rather than chlorine to kill bacteria.

SCRATCH-RESISTANT LENSES - A modified version of a dual ion beam bonding process developed by NASA involves coating the lenses with a film of diamond-like carbon that not only provides scratch resistance, but also decreases surface friction, reducing water spots.

POOL PURIFICATION - Space technology designed to sterilize water on long-duration spacecraft applied to swimming pool purification led to a system that uses two silver-copper alloy electrodes that generate silver and copper ions when an electric current passes through them to kill bacteria and algae without chemicals.

RIBBED SWIMSUIT - NASA-developed riblets applied to competition swimsuits resulted in flume testing of 10 to 15 percent faster speeds than any other world class swim-suit due to the small, barely visible grooves that reduce friction and aerodynamic drag by modifying the turbulent airflow next to the skin.

GOLF BALL AERODYNAMICS - A recently designed golf ball, which has 500 dimples arranged in a pattern of 60 spherical triangles, employs NASA aerodynamics technology to create a more symmetrical ball surface, sustaining initial velocity longer and producing a more stable ball flight for better accuracy and distance.

PORTABLE COOLERS/WARMERS - Based on a NASA-inspired space cooling system employing thermoelectric technology, the portable cooler/warmer plugs into the cigarette lighters of autos, recreational vehicles, boats, or motel outlets. Utilizes one or two miniaturized modules delivering the cooling power of a 10-pound block of ice and the heating power of up to 125 degrees Fahrenheit.

SPORTS TRAINING - Space-developed cardio-muscular conditioner helps athletes increase muscular strength and cardiovascular fitness through kinetic exercise.

ATHLETIC SHOES - Moon Boot material encapsulated in running shoe midsoles improve shock absorption and provides superior stability and motion control.

Other spinoffs in this area include: Dustbuster, shock-absorbing helmets, home security systems, smoke detectors, flat panel televisions, high-density batteries, trash compactors, food packaging and freeze-dried technology, cool sportswear, sports bras, hair styling appliances, fogless ski goggles, self-adjusting sunglasses, composite golf clubs, hang gliders, art preservation, and quartz crystal timing equipment.



Environmental and Resource Management - NASA Spinoffs

MICROSPHERES - The first commercial products manufactured in orbit are tiny microspheres whose precise dimensions permit their use as reference standards for extremely accurate calibration of instruments in research and industrial laboratories. They are sold for applications in environmental control, medical research, and manufacturing.

SOLAR ENERGY - NASA-pioneered photovoltaic power system for spacecraft applications was applied to programs to expand terrestrial applications as a viable alternative energy source in areas where no conventional power source exists.

WEATHER FORECASTING AID - Space Shuttle environmental control technology led to the development of the Barorator which continuously measures the atmospheric pressure and calculates the instantaneous rate of change.

FOREST MANAGEMENT - A NASA-initiated satellite scanning system monitors and maps forestation by detecting radiation reflected and emitted from trees.

SENSORS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL - NASA development of an instrument for use in space life support research led to commercial development of a system to monitor an industrial process stream to assure that the effluent water's pH level is in compliance with environmental regulations.

WIND MONITOR - Development of Jimsphere wind measurement balloon for space launches allows for making high resolution measurements of the wind profile for meteorological studies and predictions.

TELEMETRY SYSTEMS - A spinoff company formed to commercialize NASA high-data-rate telemetry technology, manufactures a high-speed processing system for commercial communications applications.

PLANT RESEARCH - NASA research on future moon and Mars bases is investigating using plants for food, oxygen, and water to reduce the need for outside supplies. This research utilizes Hydroponics (liquid nutrient solutions) instead of soil to support plant growth and finds applications for vegetable production on Earth.

FIRE RESISTANT MATERIAL - Materials include chemically-treated fabric for sheets, uniforms for hazardous material handlers, crew's clothing, furniture, interior walls of submersibles and auto racer and refueler suits.

RADIATION INSULATION - Aluminized polymer film is highly effective radiation barrier for both manned and unmanned spacecraft. Variations of this space-devised material are also used as an energy conservation technique for homes and offices. The materials are placed between wall studs and exterior facing before siding or between roof support and roof sheathing. The radiant barrier blocks 95% of radiant energy. Successful retrofit installations include schools and shrink wrap ovens.

Other spinoffs in this area include: Whale identification method, environmental analysis, noise abatement, pollution measuring devices, pollution control devices, smokestack monitor, radioactive leak detector, earthquake prediction system, sewage treatment, energy saving air conditioning, and air purification.



Health and Medicine - NASA Spinoffs

DIGITAL IMAGING BREAST BIOPSY SYSTEM - The LORAD Stereo Guide Breast Biopsy system incorporates advanced Charge Coupled Devices (CCDs) as part of a digital camera system. The resulting device images breast tissue more clearly and efficiently. Known as stereotactic large-core needle biopsy, this nonsurgical system developed with Space Telescope Technology is less traumatic and greatly reduces the pain, scarring, radiation exposure, time, and money associated with surgical biopsies.

BREAST CANCER DETECTION - A solar cell sensor is positioned directly beneath x-ray film, and determines exactly when film has received sufficient radiation and has been exposed to optimum density. Associated electronic equipment then sends a signal to cut off the x-ray source. Reduction of mammography x-ray exposure reduces radiation hazard and doubles the number of patient exams per machine.

LASER ANGIOPLASTY - Laser angioplasty with a "cool" type of laser, caller an excimer laser, does not damage blood vessel walls and offers precise non-surgical cleanings of clogged arteries with extraordinary precision and fewer complications than in balloon angioplasty.

ULTRASOUND SKIN DAMAGE ASSESSMENT - Advanced instrument using NASA ultrasound technology enables immediate assessment of burn damage depth, improving patient treatment, and may save lives in serious burn cases.

HUMAN TISSUE STIMULATOR - Employing NASA satellite technology, the device is implanted in the body to help patient control chronic pain and involuntary motion disorders through electrical stimulation of targeted nerve centers or particular areas of the brain.

COOL SUIT - Custom-made suit derived from space suits circulates coolant through tubes to lower patient's body/ temperature, producing dramatic improvement of symptoms of multiple sclerosis, cerebral palsy, spina bifida and other conditions.

PROGRAMMABLE PACEMAKER - Incorporating multiple NASA technologies, the system consists of the implant and a physician's computer console containing the programming and a data printer. Communicates through wireless telemetry signals.

OCULAR SCREENING - NASA image processing techniques are used to detect eye problems in very young children. An electronic flash from a 35-millimeter camera sends light into the child's eyes, and a photorefractor analyzes the retinal reflexes, producing an image of each eye.

AUTOMATED URINALYSIS - NASA fluid dynamics studies helped development of system that automatically extracts and transfers sediment from urine sample to an analyzer microscope, replacing the manual centrifuge method.

MEDICAL GAS ANALYZER - Astronaut-monitoring technology used to develop system to monitor operating rooms for analysis of anesthetic gasses and measurement of oxygen, carbon dioxide, and nitrogen concentrations to assure proper breathing environment for surgery patients.

VOICE-CONTROLLED WHEELCHAIR - NASA teleoperator and robot technology used to develop chair and manipulator that respond to 35 one-word voice commands utilizing a minicomputer to help patient perform daily tasks, like picking up packages, opening doors, and turning on appliances.

Other spinoffs in this area include: Arteriosclerosis detection, ultrasound scanners, automatic insulin pump, portable x-ray device, invisible braces, dental arch wire, palate surgery technology, clean room apparel, implantable heart aid, MRI, bone analyzer, and cataract surgery tools.



Industrial Productivity/Manufacturing Technology - NASA Spinoffs

MAGNETIC LIQUIDS - Based on the NASA-developed ferrofluid concept involving synthetic fluids that can be positioned and controlled by magnetic force, the ferrofluidic seal was initially applied in a zero-leakage, nonwearing seal for the rotating shaft of a system used to make semiconductor chips, solving a persistent problem‹contamination due to leaking seals.

WELDING SENSOR SYSTEM - Laser-based automated welder for industrial use incorporates a laser sensor system originally designed for Space Shuttle External Tank to track the seam where two pieces of metal are to be joined, measures gaps and minute misfits, and automatically corrects the welding torch distance and height.

MICROLASERS - Based on a concept for optical communications over interplanetary distances, microlasers were developed for the commercial market to transmit communication signals and to drill, cut, or melt materials.

MAGNETIC BEARING SYSTEM - Bearings developed from Space Shuttle designs support moving machinery without physical contact, permitting motion without friction or wear, and are now used in electric power generation, petroleum refining, machine tool operation, and natural gas pipelines.

ENGINE LUBRICANT - A NASA-developed plasma-sprayed coating is used to coat valves in a new, ten-inch-long, four-cylinder rotary engine, eliminating the need for lubricating the rotorcam, which has no crankshaft, flywheel, distributor, or water pump.

INTERACTIVE COMPUTER TRAINING - Known as Interactive Multimedia Training (IMT), originally developed to train astronauts and space operations personnel, now utilized by the commercial sector to train new employees and upgrade worker skills, using a computer system that engages all the senses, including text, video, animation, voice, sounds, and music.

HIGH-PRESSURE WATERSTRIPPING - Technology developed for preparing Space Shuttle solid rocket boosters first evolved into the U.S. Air Force's Large Aircraft Robotic Paint Stripping (LARPS) system, and now used in the commercial airline industry, where the waterjet processing reduces coating removal time by 90 percent, using only water at ultra-high pressures up to 55,000 psi.

ADVANCED WELDING TORCH - Based on the Variable Polarity Plasma Arc welding technology, a handheld torch originally developed for joining light alloys used in NASA's External Tank, is now used by major appliance manufacturers for sheet metal welding.

Other spinoffs in this area include: Gasoline vapor recovery, self-locking fasteners, machine tool software, laser wire stripper, lubricant coating process, wireless communications, engine coatings, and engine design.




Public Safety - NASA Spinoffs

RADIATION HAZARD DETECTOR - NASA technology has made commercially available new, inexpensive, conveniently carried device for protection of people exposed to potentially dangerous levels of microwave radiation. Weighing only 4 ounces and about the size of a cigarette pack, it can be carried in a shirt pocket or clipped to a belt. Unit sounds an audible alarm when microwave radiation reaches a preset level.

EMERGENCY RESPONSE ROBOT - Remotely-operated robot reduces human injury levels by performing hazardous tasks that would otherwise be handled by humans.

PERSONAL ALARM SYSTEM - Pen-sized ultrasonic transmitter used by prison guards, teachers, the elderly, and disabled to call for help is based on space telemetry technology. Pen transmits a silent signal to receiver that will display the exact location of the emergency.

EMERGENCY RESCUE CUTTERS - Lightweight cutters for freeing accident victims from wreckage developed using NASA pyrotechnic technology.

FIREMAN'S AIR TANKS - Lighter-weight firefighter's air tanks have been developed. New back-pack system weighs only 20 lbs. for 30 minute air supply, 13 lbs. less than conventional firefighting tanks. They are pressurized at 4,500 psia (twice current tanks). A warning device tells the fireman when he or she is running out of air.

PERSONAL STORM WARNING SYSTEM - Lightning detector gives 30-minute warning to golfers, boaters, homeowners, business owners, and private pilots.

SELF-RIGHTING LIFE RAFT - Developed for the Apollo program, fully inflates in 12 seconds and protects lives during extremely adverse weather conditions with self-righting and gravity compensation features.

Other spinoffs in this area include: Storm warning services (Doppler radar), firefighters' radios, lead poison detection, fire detector, flame detector, corrosion protection coating, protective clothing, and robotic hands.



Transportation - NASA Spinoffs

STUDLESS WINTER TIRES - Viking Lander parachute shroud material is adapted and used to manufacture radial tires, increasing the tire material's chainlike molecular structure to five times the strength of steel should increase tread life by 10,000 miles.

BETTER BRAKES - New, high-temperature composite space materials provide for better brake linings. Applications includes trucks, industrial equipment and passenger cars.

TOLLBOOTH PURIFICATION - A laminar airflow technique used in NASA clean rooms for contamination-free assembly of space equipment is used at tollbooths on bridges and turnpikes to decrease the toll collector's inhalation of exhaust fumes.

WEIGHT SAVING TECHNOLOGY - NASA research on composite materials is used to achieve a 30-percent weight reduction in a twin-turbine helicopter, resulting in a substantial increase in aircraft performance.

IMPROVED AIRCRAFT ENGINE - Multiple NASA developed technological advancements resulted in a cleaner, quieter, more economical commercial aircraft engine known as the high bypass turbofan, featuring a 10-percent reduction in fuel consumption, lower noise levels, and emission reductions of oxides of nitrogen, carbon monoxide, and unburned hydrocarbons.

ADVANCED LUBRICANTS - An environmental-friendly lubricant designed to support the Space Shuttle Mobile Launcher Platform led to the development of three commercial lubricants for railroad track maintenance, for electric power company corrosion prevention, and as a hydraulic fluid with an oxidation life of 10,000 hours.

ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM - The Flywheel Energy Storage system, derived from two NASA-sponsored energy storage studies, is a chemical-free, mechanical battery that harnesses the energy of a rapidly spinning wheel and stores it as electricity with 50 times the capacity of a lead-acid battery, very useful for electric vehicles.

NEW WING DESIGN FOR CORPORATE JETS - NASA-developed computer programs resulted in an advanced, lighter, more aerodynamically-efficient new wing for Gulfstream business aircraft.

AIDS TO SCHOOL BUS DESIGN - Manufacturer uses three separate NASA-developed technologies originally developed for aviation and space use in their design and testing of a new school bus chassis. These technologies are a structural analysis computer program infrared stress measurement system, and a ride quality meter system.

Other spinoffs in this area include: Safer bridges, emission testing, airline wheelchairs, electric car, auto design, methane-powered vehicles, windshear prediction, and aircraft design analysis.

#101144 by Chippy
Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:47 am
Bloody nora. :shock:
What do some people do for a day job? :roll:

Even the news is the same on Google/others daily. 15 articles, 11 politics perhaps one thrown in about some offshore calamity, war, fat zero about other places.

Any idea just how much oil a wasted thread like this uses? :wink:

#101145 by ANGELSSHOTGUN
Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:35 am
less than you turning on your keys for 5 minutes. it costs much more to bring a pound of butter to market than this thread does.
Butter is the one thing NASA is going to have a tough time making better. :)

#101183 by philbymon
Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:35 pm
The general thing I keep hearing from you guys is that we shouldn't lower our personal buying power...but that is exactly what got us into this situation. We need to bite the bullet & start to return to a more normal way of living. We cannot continue to live high off the hog anymore. The hog is simply too thin to feed our greed.

We are all going to have to cut back on the fluff we keep buying, if we are to be able to live in a market where Americans can work.

We must stop living beyond our means, & we must get ppl back to working, & I'm not talking about fast food jobs or service industry. I'm talking INDUSTRY.

We could be at the forefront of new technologies, alternative fuels, unthought-of new stuff, if we had the educated ppl to do the jobs. We don't need to continue to buy low-dollar low-quality merchandise from abroad. It's ruining us. It's spoiled us. We've become that group of folk who think they are entitled to get everything in the world. We need to change that sort of mind set.

Americans need to relearn the very meaning of the word "work."

We also need to work on learning the value of a dollar.

So do our corporations & our gov't, fopr that matter.

We could do it, but it will take sacrifice that ppl don't seem to be able to accept.

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