General Music Chat

MySpace deleted their site.

Then their drummer uploaded my songs to his PERSONAL Myspace.

MySpace removed the songs from his site.

They have started a new MySpace site for their band now.

The songs will be removed from there too.

If they want to spend all this time creating new sites, only to get deleted, or at the least have my songs removed, oh well. That work takes hours, not to mention the time wasted to build up their friend's list again.

Formal complaints to get the songs removed takes only seconds.

You would think they would simply write their own songs, and record and uploade those. No one can stop that, and their fans get to hear THEIR band's music.

When they spend their time having to create new sites and send out new friend requests to their "old" fans, rather than use that time writing, and getting tight as a band....

I don't know how they expect to succeed?

Good for you. CDBABY wasn't as cooperative with me, & the sales kept up until they got tired of it.

Good for you. CDBABY wasn't as cooperative with me, & the sales kept up until they got tired of it.

Well, MySpace once again deleted my songs off their page. But now they have a message on their NEW page explaining the absence of the songs as a "copyright dispute" with a former member, and they claim they have copyrighted the songs themselves, in all their names, as well as mine.

http://www.myspace.com/mischiefrock

This is a serious crime, and I have trouble believing anyone can be that stupid about the legalities of intellectual property rights. They had NOTHING to do with writing ANY of the songs they played on. Most of the songs were written 13 years ago, and I can prove it. They would have to make some lame excuse to a judge for this, but he won't buy it. Why would anyone share copyrights with a recent band of theirs, when the songs were written 13 years ago, and have been played by TWO OTHER of my bands BEFORE this band! It's not like I would make such a foolish mistake, when I already had the eperience of two other bands breaking up. I know that bands break up, I would NEVER share MY COPYRIGHTS to MY SONGS, with ANYONE.

Former band members will testify that I was upfront from day one, that the ONLY way they would have their names on ANY songs that I wrote, was if they actually came over and wrote some songs "WITH" me. And they will also testify that I BEGGED.... BEGGED them to make some time to write songs with me, and NOT ONCE.... NOT ONE TIME... did they ever do that. Always too busy, jamming with their friends. And not only that, but when they made it an issue, to try and get me to share my copyrights with them, when we were HALF WAY through a debut album, and I wouldn't do it... THEY LEFT ME, and stopped communicating with me! And when they hired two new musicians, to replace me and the drummer, they now have put these new guys on their fake copyrights? Guys that joined their band, well after I was in it? What did these new guys do to earn any copyrights to MY MUSIC???? It's laughable.

They fired me, and then tried to steal my music.

The facts and testimony speaks for itself.

A judge is going to wipe the floor with their criminal behaviors.

I don't think they know what is in store for them!

I don't think you have anything to worry about

I don't think you have anything to worry about

Thanks Jonny.

It's still stressing me out to the point, I feel like I am going to have a heart attack! No joke. I'm trying to keep myself calm. But, it's really affecting my health.

It will be ok.

To quote Shakespeare... "The truth will out."

It always does, sooner or later.

I don't mean to be rude but it seems unlikely they'll suddenly start making tens of thousands let alone hundreds of thousands off your music overnight.

Might get them gigs but if someone wants to license the songs for a movie, commercial radio play etc. I seriously doubt they'd be foolish enough to sign away something they don't rightly own as it would get them more or less black listed in the industry aside from sued for every penny they make.

In terms of gigging, I can understand your anguish.
I'm reluctant to join someone elses band due to the fact that sooner or later, I know they'll urge me to give them songs I've already written. You get comfortable, start having fun and suddenly what you said was for YOUR project is now being used in an OUR project situation.
Part ways and you think they're going to stop using your songs?

The obvious answer is no and until they attempt to profit on a commercial level, you're helpless to do anything. You're likely even helpless if they make money because the cost of suing them and their label will be outrageous if they start churning out massive profits.
In the end it's just like a patent, you'd end up having to take a settlement and lose what is rightfully yours.

With your situation, I think you're just stuck living with these moochers rockin the clubs and your only retaliation is building a new band and showing them up.

And this post proving your narcissism.

I listened to your music, you have nothing to worry about because no reputable label would pay you for your music. It's boring and cliche, I can find a thousand versions of the same thing you're doing.

You think someone is going to steal that and make tens of thousands of dollars?
They'd be lucky to make TEN dollars.

That's redneck bar music that they can go hear for free in any small backwoods town all over America yet you're so in love with yourself, you think you have "it factor".

Here's a suggestion.
Lose 100 lbs.
Find the Doc and travel back in time 20 years.
Find someone with TALENT and follow their lead rather than riding your failure and lack of talent.

I've heard more seductive farts.

fixed.

I've recorded seductive farts on my profile page.

Mr. Deth, you can make your points without being so rude. There are many paths to success, and many definitions of success to boot. You have the advantage of being young with some modest chops but you also have an over-inflated ego and a less-than desireable social ability. You say that what Craig is doing is cliche and common, but based on what little you have on your profile the same could be said about you. You will never be able to prop yourself up by tearing someone else down. Ok I'm done.

I listened to your music, you have nothing to worry about because no reputable label would pay you for your music. It's boring and cliche

Cliche sells. It's what makes the biggest hits, dumbass.


I'm all for artsy, edgy music, and I write that too. But there is only a relatively small market for that. Songs that make the biggest hits (and the most money) are tried and true... cliched subject matter, simple and predictable melodies, and memorable hooks. It's why it appeals to the masses... it's accessible to ANYONE.

You think someone is going to steal that and make tens of thousands of dollars?

Nobody that can sell a gold record, is going to STEAL my music. But licensing it to someone who CAN sell Gold or Platinum albums, will be complicated if my old band has in fact, copyrighted my music, and there are DUAL copyrights. A big name will not touch a song without clear copyright.

That is what I am concerned about.

Having to go to court, and endure that whole process, just to get back, what was always MINE to begin with.

They'd be lucky to make TEN dollars.

When I was with them, we had built up a solid name, and were on the way to becoming a regional act. From $400 gigs, we had worked our way up to getting $1500 and $2000 dollar gigs. We had write ups in Biker Magazines and had been offered a 10 show deal for Sturgis. My music had been played on half a dozen FM stations, and in several of those markets, they were requested for weeks afterwards. One station in Savannah played us every day, but the station manager pulled the song, when they could not find us listed with ASCAP or BMI. This was just before we broke up. We had discussed joining one of them, but hadn't signed up yet, when this station started playing one of my songs.

We had a label come see one of our shows, and the head of a well financed band site online, paid $3000 bucks to fly out several of the execs to come see us play at "The Loft" in Atlanta.

Good things were happening for us. Which is a big part of why their greed reared it's ugly head, I'm sure.

That's redneck bar music that they can go hear for free in any small backwoods town all over America yet you're so in love with yourself, you think you have "it factor".

We were a Southern Rock band. Of course Rednecks loved us. So did Country Music fans, and just about everyone else. We had teenagers and 20 somethings going NUTS for us, in a big Battle of the Bands we participated in early on. These kids screamed louder for us, than the metal and screamo bands they had come to see. Music that says something, or makes you groove, is appreciated by just about everyone, whether they realize at first, that they will get sucked in by it, or not.

In fact, one of my band members had overheard a phone call by another band's member, before that Battle, and he was telling someone "Yeah, the only band we had heard of was Southern Mischief, but they are just a bunch of old guys... we'll end up kicking their asses... I think we have this in the bank!"

Well, turned out, that we kicked THEIR asses, and at the end of the show, it was a tie between us and one other band (not the band that had dissed us). Every one of that band's "fans" walked over to OUR SIDE of the venue, when the host of the event tried to determine a clear winner, by having the fans go to one side of the room or the other. In fact, every band that was there competing, but had been knocked out... came to OUR SIDE! Which was a HUGE compliment. We so impressed one really good singer of a metal/alternative band, that we later found out, he quit his band, and started a classic rock band instead!

Here's a suggestion.
Lose 100 lbs.

That's about the only insightful comment you have made. And it doesn't take a lot of insight to realize that I should lose some weight.

Find someone with TALENT and follow their lead

I haven't heard any of your stuff yet, but based on the opinions of people I know and respect here... It appears you wouldn't know talent if it took you to dinner, lubed your asshole and gave you a golden shower afterwards.

Ok, I'm sorry for that last comment.

You DID say that you were above sleeping your way to the top after all.

My apologies.

As I said, this thread is simply more proof of your narcissism AND your desperation to get people to listen to your crappy music.

You feed this sob story about how your music was stolen and what happens?
Everyone that reads it is like WOW, I wanna hear this stuff that must be so good since people stole it from him.

Then we hear it and are like "wtf is this guy talking about...tens of thousands...hundreds of thousands of dollars for THIS??!"

Nobody is going to pay you enough for music to ever be your only source of income. I'd be impressed if anyone was desperate enough to pay you to clean their gutters.

So feel free to cry and carry on. Praise the likes of Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus, Beyonce Knowles and swear they're misunderstood talents that I just can't see clearly.

Meanwhile I'll go out into the real world where any adult or even teenager with slightly sophisticated taste LOATH these people and doesn't want to acknowledge that they even exist.

As I said, this thread is simply more proof of your narcissism AND your desperation to get people to listen to your crappy music.

You feed this sob story about how your music was stolen and what happens?
Everyone that reads it is like WOW, I wanna hear this stuff that must be so good since people stole it from him.

Then we hear it and are like "wtf is this guy talking about...tens of thousands...hundreds of thousands of dollars for THIS??!"

Nobody is going to pay you enough for music to ever be your only source of income. I'd be impressed if anyone was desperate enough to pay you to clean their gutters.

So feel free to cry and carry on. Praise the likes of Britney Spears, Miley Cyrus, Beyonce Knowles and swear they're misunderstood talents that I just can't see clearly.

Meanwhile I'll go out into the real world where any adult or even teenager with slightly sophisticated taste LOATH these people and doesn't want to acknowledge that they even exist.

You do know about this, right, Johnny Boy?

I'm not sure death metal or metal or heavy rock is in the list.
Like it or not, this is what the "majority wants"
Just sayin'


TOP-SELLING ALBUMS of 2009
1. Kings of Leon, 'Only By the Night'
2. Various Artists, 'Twilight (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)'
3. Lady GaGa, 'The Fame'
4. Taylor Swift, 'Fearless'
5. Dave Matthews Band, 'Big Whiskey and the GrooGrux King'
6. Michael Jackson, 'The Essential Michael Jackson'
7. The Fray, 'The Fray'
8. Jay-Z, 'The Blueprint 3'
9. Eminem, 'Relapse'
10. Black Eyed Peas, 'The E.N.D. (The Energy Never Dies)'


Its kind of like, do we want Pizza or Lutefisk

My god, RG! That says a lot about the world & the state of music, today, doesn't it?

My god, RG! That says a lot about the world & the state of music, today, doesn't it?

Even worse than that.

Lets talk Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame

Key words here......ROCK AND ROLL

In 1997 when The Jacksons were inducted you could feel the ground tremble.

In 2002 when Isaac Hayes was inducted it was like huh, wtf Isaac Hayes R&R.

The final blow.......2007 RAP INDUCTED.

The Integrity of music now days is right down there with todays work ethics.