General Music Chat

You're just another stupid kid who thinks they know all.
Either that, or just a troll.


Anything on jw123's profile wipes the floor with what you have posted so far - and if you honestly cant hear that or realize that, then just go away.

One of the few things in this thread I agree with

+10000 agree'd ...

I could have fallen asleep with the repetitiveness ... if the sound wasn't so harsh .... way to be mainstream ....

oh to be 20 again ...

Hey guys I appreciate the props.

I just hope John Boy can channel his energy into a positive energy force to make some good music. I know Im a dinosaur weekend warrior but guys like this could actually learn some stuff from some of us on here. I mean I could give him a lot of advice on what not to do. I know Ive made every mistake in the book including burning a lot of bridges when I was in my 20s. I learned to regret those mistakes over time, cause even on here you never know who you are talking too that might could help you in some manner in your music whether its a hobby or a career.

Craigmaxim rather than disagree with me, attacks me then calls me a child?

If you don't agree with me, ok good for you but to carry on and on quoting me then attacking me puts you beneath me and is solely on you. You're retaliating like I attacked you when the situation is in fact the other way around. I stated my views on the Grammies and pop stars knowing full well I encounter the same childish losers on the more popular message boards and Craig is without question one of them.

I stated my observation and felt you were all naive for believing the story spun by Hollywood that you in no way can confirm then go on a tirade about how I'm an ignorant child that knows nothing about the business. Prove it!
You can't, you're just another Christian running on blind faith shooting your nasty mouth off.

If you believe what you see on TV, read in magazines, read online and hear around the campfire, that's your choice. I happen to have a different perspective based on what I've witnessed first hand.

The fact that you believe these people with limited skill, talent and knowledge on this business succeeded based solely on their hard work and talent is an embarrassment to yourself and anyone aggreeing with you. Simply watching their E! True Hollywood Stories discredits your observation and NOBODY believes that crap.
A major setback with these pop stars is only selling 100,000 albums and other nonsense like that. All of which appears in their oh so accurate bios.

You carry on about 20 something year olds being stupid, inexperienced etc. and believe you speak for everyone, that's childish and arrogant. You're a narcissistic asshole. You stated anyone younger than you is beneath you and that you are superior. I'm not simply name calling, I'm calling a spade a spade. You aren't debating me, you're attacking my perspective and crying to the peanut gallery to back you up.
Who's childish?

You then carry on about hiding details?
Tell me mr know it all, where do you get your facts about a celebrity?
What is your source?
And while your at it, please tell me if you could possibly be more full of sh*t?
The only thing you know is based on second hand information and that's sugar coating it since it's information that's passed from one ear to the next. You can't substantiate any of the claims.

Unfortunately, there is no ignore button but since I am the adult and you are the 40 year old know it all child that thinks anyone that disagrees with you is inferior and stupid, I'll have no problem with avoiding you.
You're one more loud mouthed coward hiding behind a computer that knows you can say anything you want without being confronted while a dozen losers back you up.
Who of course, you can prove are real people not simply secondary accounts you talk sh*t under.

You make endless statements that have no relation to anything I've said. You insist something I said means something completely different and write 15 paragraphs carrying on about how it is a case of my stupidity and your superiority. f**k dude, do you ever leave the house???
Talent in every genre?
WTF does that have to do with someone that doesn't write their music, doesn't choreograph their dancing, doesn't choose their wardrobe, doesn't do much of anything other than agree to what the producer has placed in front of them to choose from DO, that you equate to talent.
The only explanation is you have a vested interest in defending my distaste for these people.

They're performers that could be replaced by a million other people without the public noticing or caring.
Look at the Britney Spears porno.
Yeah, it looks like her but then again, could be just about any similar looking girl.
Then look at Britney Spears career-it could be just about any similar looking girl.
The same can be said about any of these people.

Grow up.
I don't care who I'm talking to, you're an arrogant sh*t talker that believes everyone owes you respect and should conform to your opinion and cater to your feelings. I don't care if you're Barack Obama or Britney Spears, you're a rude nasty little child that doesn't have the maturity to ignore someone you disagree with. You instead continue to talk sh*t and attempt to provoke fight after fight.

Your music is a failure, nobody would EVER sign you and you carry on about your music being stolen I mean get real buddy. Who would pay to see your fat jabba the hut smudge of a physique shift and puddle around on stage. Nobody is going to play that crap on the radio, pay to look at you, pay to hear you...I think your best opportunity is that someone will pay you to go away.

The bottom line is, you're a child picking a fight.
You're not trying to persuade my opinion, you're not ignoring me because I'm immature. You're carrying and on to pick a fight. Well tough guy, get off your cottage cheese lard riddled ass, go out into the world and pick a fight with someone like a man. Not like some cowardly child hiding behind a computer. If you were such an adult, you would ignore me. You wouldn't respond.
Instead, you antagonize me and have your boyfriends chime in. Since you want a fight, be a REAL man and go find one. Don't carry on and on like a child who is SOOOO much better than everyone and SOOOOO much more adult even though you're pursuing a fight you'll never have to face.
What you're doing isn't debating, it's what someone does to pick a fist fight and then when the other person hits you, you'll run and cry to the cops about how you're so innocent.

You're retaliating like I attacked you

Calling me an asshole several times in the same post, "IS" attacking me. All I had done at that point was disagree with you.

You are not completely wrong, about some of your assertions, but you are making "absolute" statements, which are not applicable to each situation. Some people sleep their way into higher ground. No surprise there. They do that even on the lowest levels of the societal ladder. But to claim it happens in all, or even most circumstances is unreasonable and inaccurate. More often, someone tries to sleep their way to the top, and when they don't get what they are promised afterward, they are told... "Welcome to Hollywood!"

You have to have SOMETHING to make it in the big leagues. You can't sleep with EVERYONE, like the millions of fans you collect. Again... you could sleep with the right people to provide an OPPORTUNITY, but these businesses represent BILLIONS of dollars in revenues. It would be the exception, to spend $150,000 dollars to cut a record, like the big labels do, just because you got someone in bed.

Your opinion is taken to such an extreme, it becomes untenable.

If you believe what you see on TV, read in magazines, read online and hear around the campfire, that's your choice. I happen to have a different perspective based on what I've witnessed first hand.

Did you "witness" Christian Aguilera's upbringing?

Taylor Swift's?

Balance my friend. The stories you read in newspapers are rarely fully accurate, but neither are they full of lies.

The truth almost always, exists somewhere in between.

The fact that you believe these people with limited skill, talent and knowledge on this business succeeded based solely on their hard work and talent is an embarrassment to yourself and anyone agreeing with you.

As I said previously, many people get doors opened for them, based on their relationship to someone else, but this is no guarantee of success. There has to be some talent there, likability, star factor, or some combination of these. Far too much money is invested in NEW and UNTESTED projects, whether music albums or TV shows, to make decisions based on someone being a relative of someone else, or sleeping with an executive. People at the top may LOVE their family members, but all too often, they love MONEY and keeping their jobs and status, even more.

Simply watching their E! True Hollywood Stories discredits your observation and NOBODY believes that crap.

So I can't trust newspapers, magazines, biographies or campfire stories, but I CAN trust the E! True Hollywood stories... or wait "Nobody believes that crap"... and yet you used it to discredit the other untrustworthy sources? You don't suffer schizophrenia do you? Alot of contradiction there, and in only a single sentence.

You're one more loud mouthed coward hiding behind a computer that knows you can say anything you want without being confronted while a dozen losers back you up.
Who of course, you can prove are real people not simply secondary accounts you talk sh*t under.

Well now, hmm... Let's forget narcissism and schizophrenia, and discuss a different mental disorder...

Paranoid Delusion

Now I get why your opinions are so black and white, and why you have conceived the idea that the ENTIRE music industry is pulling a con, faking people's life stories and all the rest...

That explains it to you doesn't it?

This is why you haven't made it yet, though you play better than Ingve Malsteem!

It's all, one big CONSPIRACY, against.... YOU!

LMAO!

Im a loser baby!

I love this guy Craig, hes great entertainment!

He deserves a GRANNY

I wonder how many gigs hes played?

I love this guy Craig, hes great entertainment!

(snip)


I wonder how many gigs hes played?

Not as many as he should have, cause after all, the ENTIRE MUSIC INDUSTRY is conspiring to keep him down and unknown, since he won't sleep with any of them.



Of course, not to ruin his paranoid delusions, but some good follow up questions might be...

1. How many professional demos has he made to showcase his talents? Well, the answer to that one is... "none" as he already admitted.

2. How many of his apparently spectacular original songs has he written and/or copyrighted?

3. How many bands has he been in?

4. How many fans has he signed up to develop a mailing list?

5. How many times has he gotten professional 8X10 pictures developed. Not to mention the rest of the press kits and promo packages contents. Does he even know what those things are?

6. How many producers, agents and A&R people has he contacted?

7. How many demos has he sent out to those same people (oh yeah... no demo yet)

8. How many radio stations has he submitted his demos to? (oh yeah... no demo yet)

9. How many contests has he entered?

10. If he is in a gigging band, how many CD's have they sold at their gigs? (damn it... that's right... no demo yet!)


Well, the evidence DOES speak for itself doesn't it?

Clearly those horny bastards at the all-powerful Record Labels, are conspiring to keep him down!

How could I have ever doubted him?

Like I said tough guy, if you want to pick a fight be a man about it and go out into the real world and do it rather than cry.

I said record companies are conspiring against me?

Where, please show me.
Contests entered?
If your music is desired, people come to you. You get exposure and clubs seek YOU to fill their business, not the other way around. You don't desperately enter contests, start websites and literally BEG for attention as you have since nobody wants to hear your crummy music.

You're a coward. Plain and simple. You're running your mouth trying to pick a fist fight while hiding behind a computer. You're such an adult that you carry on and on and on?
You're SO mature you don't just ignore me?

The simple truth is, you're a no talent failure with nothing to show for your efforts. Your music is hilariously untalented and boring. You think you can judge me based on a fight you're picking on an internet message board. Calling you an asshole isn't an attack genius, it's LABELING you.
Obviously you did about as well in school as you do with writing hit songs. Attacking someone is what YOU do. I pointed out your faults and failures, you on the other hand fabricate things about me and attempt to assault my character which you know nothing about.

Seriously, be a man and go outside and pick the fist fight you seek. Stop hiding behind a computer like a little girl and go find someone in person that can help you deal with that mouth of yours.
Nobody outside this message board is going to back you up. Take it to the street, play your childish game and see how long you can go without getting punched in the face.

I'm betting if you hit the same hot spot for musicians, pick this same delusional argument and keep harassing the same people, your ugly face will become uglier from being smashed in. Not that it matters since you'll eat your heart ache in the form of 2 dozen doughnuts and hide your now uglier face behind a mountain of chins.

The fact is a song I made in 15-20 minutes with no forethought, equipment preparation or composition kicks the crap out of the same shitty songs you've been riding to failure for the last TWENTY YEARS.

I said record companies are conspiring against me?

Where, please show me.

It's called hyperbole Jonny.

But since you bring it up, you "ARE" in effect saying that there is a conspiracy (albeit not against ONLY you, but poor people LIKE you) in this statement you made:

You're talking about people that have decent voices, poor instrument skills and BUY their songs from highly skilled and talented musicians like me.
I'll put my skills, talents and efforts against theirs any day of the week and absolutely humiliate any of them. The absolute reality is, they are in a social class several notches above mine which grants them both a specific respect and opportunity I'm not privileged to.

And it is a conspiracy you believe the Labels are involved in directly, since they are the ones only signing people of PRIVELEDGED social status, as you claim.

Like 50 Cent, whose father is actually a nuclear physicist. And Susan Boyle, who is actually a blacksheep sister of the royal family in England.

But forget 50 Cent or Susan Boyle!

Here is my FAVORITE Disney Star "rags to riches" story...

http://tinyurl.com/7vpzk3

Deth
You're a legend in your own mind.

No it's a blatant lie that has no relation to anything I've said.
I've not once mentioned record companies in anything I've said nor have I blamed them for failure such as yours.

You think while 1 person gets promoted there aren't 100,000 just as talented if not more talented that don't get work?
More delusion on your part. A record company can't make a hundred million dollars by promoting 15,000 pop singers but they sure can if they promote a single digit number of them.
But their arrogance and greed doesn't hurt the business and eliminate opportunity for others?

That's greed and elitism. It's monopolization and discrimination. It's more or less, a MAFIA that you're born or bought into. I can find countless beautiful girls that can sing extremely well and many that actually play an instrument but where is their record deal?
Why aren't they on a label sponsored national tour?
Why is it so many people work day in and day out on their music but for some reason, the labels blow them off?
These guys literally throw out a hundred demos a day without even listening to them.

The fact is, you are a failure. Your music is sh*t and you would lick the ass of ANYONE with money and fame if they'd give you a job.
Just the same, the fact that you believe these pop stars don't hurt the business is pretty ignorant on your part.

You think a kid handing in someone elses homework with their name on it isn't cheating?

That's exactly what these people are doing. They promote themselves as these amazing talents when they are merely puppets having their strings pulled from behind the curtain. An army of people are behind their success yet they are the face of that success and in every moment they are in the spotlight, take that credit as their own and never comment on the people actually composing their music, booking their tours, designing their wardrobe-the list is absolutely endless.

So why is it you've yet to actually prove a point?
Because you don't have one.

I could be wrong, but I really don't think i am. A lot of you that are downing these show, may not say it, but would love to be up there getting a award for their music. We all know that there a lot of big names out there that really are not all that good, but they knew how to sell themselves, and they must not be that bad of a entertainer to go with it. I never thought Kiss was all that good, but man they put on a hell of a show. Look at all the great jazz artist that never made the money that some of these rappers, or rockers made, its not because they are not good, its more that they don't appeal to the masses. So in closing i will say don't hate. yime for me to get off my soap box. hahehahahahaha

I could be wrong, but I really don't think i am. A lot of you that are downing these show, may not say it, but would love to be up there getting a award for their music. We all know that there a lot of big names out there that really are not all that good, but they knew how to sell themselves, and they must not be that bad of a entertainer to go with it. I never thought Kiss was all that good, but man they put on a hell of a show. Look at all the great jazz artist that never made the money that some of these rappers, or rockers made, its not because they are not good, its more that they don't appeal to the masses. So in closing i will say don't hate. yime for me to get off my soap box. hahehahahahaha

It's due to the fact that they are getting promoted on television, radio, shopping malls, magazines etc.

How many HORRIBLE movies have you gone to see that were glorified in the advertisements and reviews?
It happens to all of us. Corporate imperialism dictates the taste of America. They choose every item on the menu and either you find something you like or you go without.

People like Craig are absolutely disgusting. He thinks ONE person getting millions of dollars invested into them every year doesn't effect the careers of others.
That's like saying BurgerKing doesn't effect the sales of McDonalds.

Fact is, nobody that is a millionaire through the entertainment business before they can legally vote or buy alcohol did so through hard work, struggle, sacrifice, etc.etc.etc.
They did so by being in the right person's pocket. Coming from the right family or finances to begin with. The fact that a CHILD has a professional career says an awful lot about the facade America is subjected to through the corporate market.
Nobody with some basic singing and dancing skills can just walk into a record label or studio and in a few months, get their name plastered all across the television, magazines, radio etc.

That's how a PRODUCT is sold. And that's exactly what these people are and how they came to be so "successful". They are the success of a MARKETING SCHEME and a LOT of work done by OTHER people.

A talented performer gets to this level over a long period of time. Not a year or two of small gigs and then suddenly a major corporation snatches them up like a diamond from the rough?

Absolute bullshit. Craig you're an embarrassment to the profession just as these people are.

I could be wrong, but I really don't think i am. A lot of you that are downing these show, may not say it, but would love to be up there getting a award for their music. We all know that there a lot of big names out there that really are not all that good, but they knew how to sell themselves, and they must not be that bad of a entertainer to go with it. I never thought Kiss was all that good, but man they put on a hell of a show. Look at all the great jazz artist that never made the money that some of these rappers, or rockers made, its not because they are not good, its more that they don't appeal to the masses. So in closing i will say don't hate. yime for me to get off my soap box. hahehahahahaha

Agreed.
And I will say it. It would be awesome to get an award for music.

Appeal equals money and awards, not necessarily talent.

I doesnt matter if you are rich or poor at all.
It does however matter where you live.
You need to be where the A & R saturation is. The times are changing but its still a huge leg up if youre in the right neighborhood.

People like Craig are absolutely disgusting. He thinks ONE person getting millions of dollars invested into them every year doesn't effect the careers of others.

EVERYTHING affects everything else, to varying degrees Jonny.

And the effort to control the public's choices is found ANYWHERE there are huge amounts of money to be made. That, in itself, does not stop exceptional talent (as long as they have exceptional self promotion skills) from being heard.

Artists who are exceptional and work hard, can and DO break through such barriers. Of course, once they do, and PROVE salability, then the big labels DO try to make deals with them.

The labels just want to make money Jonny. They don't care WHO is the one filling their coffers.

Wake up Jonny. This is not the way of the music industry... this is the WAY OF THE WORLD, and has been since time immorial!

If someone is on top, they want to REMAIN on top, and get a piece of anything new that comes down the pike. The big labels have been FOLLOWING the indie labels for DECADES, trying to get their finger on the pulse of the next "big thing".

Yes, there are monopolistic type practices. Just like Microsoft. But even with Microsoft, it hasn't stopped new developers from creating amazing applications and profitting from them. Microsoft simply buys them up though, to keep on top.

The developer still made a fortune selling the company.

With the internet and advent of unfiltered and uncensored information, there is nothing stopping a worthy talent from succeeding eventually, other than that artist themselves.

The big thing that the labels USED to have over everyone else, is DISTRIBUTION. The internet has changed that.

That said, many people ARE basically brainwashed by high pressure or psychologically powerful media imagery. And THEY WILL often follow what they ARE TOLD is big and important, more so than following talent alone.

It is a celebrity driven culture that WE have created for ourselves.

But some form of this has ALWAYS existed.

You can either check out, from the entire culture itself, and stop desiring fame and fortune, or you can find a way to operate WITHIN the system to get what you want.

But you won't change the structure and motivations themelves. They are rooted in thousands upon thousands of years, of HUMAN NATURE.

The only way it changes, is when HUMANITY itself changes. And when that happens, no one would care any longer about fame or fortune.

And now that you've painted yourself into a corner and made a fool of yourself Craig, you're trying to back pedal and save face.

You said I was delusional and believing the record companies were sabotaging me. Hindering my success.

The fact is, that's exactly what they are doing yet I never said it.
Nobody can get their album stocked on store shelves all around America, let alone the world, without the backing of a record company be it an independent or commercial that functions on a corporate level.
Oh, they're going to play our music on their radio stations without it benefiting them because they love music so much?

Some guy producing bands on a local level with a small warehouse and recording studio isn't going to get you national distribution.

The fact is, the people I've justifiably criticized hurt the business and they hurt others working to have a career in this more or less, glorified blue collar profession.

The fact remains that for every single pop singer signed, literally 1 million singers will go without a career. People with the skills, talent, discipline and dedication to be viable in the commercial market, it's simply because they are not afforded the luxury of opportunity by these billion dollar corporations.
You have thoroughly made a complete fool of yourself Craig, hence the label of asshole you so justly deserve which in truth, is a polite one.

Obviously they want to make money, it's not as though they are out to LOSE money or give what they have away for free. So do they choose someone to market as a product with values, scruples and dignity OR, do they choose someone that is naive, selfish, stupid and arrogant. Obviously they need to choose someone with less than noble qualities to fill the position of what is more or less, a fraud.

Even for those that don't fit this criteria that get promoted on a corporate level, they hurt the field. I'll repeat it as many times as you deny it, a corporation can't make a few hundred million dollars marketing 1 million versions of the same product but they sure as hell can if they only manufacture and market a half dozen of them.

So they have them sing someone elses songs, dance someone elses dances, feed the public a story of rags to riches and since there's no way to disprove it and for that matter, compete with the product they're slinging, the consumers accept the charade at face value and begrudgingly embrace it.
The fact is, it hurts far more than the business, it hurts society. The lie that ANYONE can make it sold by these people, such as the Jonas Bros., is very insulting and degrading.

I'm so disgusted by you as a human being I'd like to see people like yourself exiled from America. You're a feeble minded little rat out to defend the greed and corruption of big business and sabotage the common man.
While people like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Justin Timberlake and for that matter, a lot of no talent rock bands selling records with songs written by producers and passed off as their own sit in mansions that cost literally tens of millions of dollars, they ensure MILLIONS of hard working people seeking a career in the same field are left with no opportunity and a complete inability to compete in the commercial market.

He who has all the gold, makes all the rules.
So while you carry on with your lies and childish nonsense, the fact remains the same. There are a limited number of slots to be filled and they will be filled by people who are favored for all the wrong reasons by the people running these corporations. People that will lie down, do what they're told and have their careers run for them in whatever direction this corporation chooses.
They're not musicians, they're PRODUCTS.

You carry on about fame and fortune which is amusing.
There are really only two levels in this business. Wide scale success which produces enough money to pay your bills and obscurity which might make you some extra money but it's not going to feed, cloth and shelter you.
Yet you think I'm the one that's wrong for pointing out the monopoly hindering opportunity for millions of people. According to Federal Legislature, it's in fact a crime.