General Music Chat

I like Bill's tone, what rig is that?

Mark, it appears the Blue 180 has been dis-continued? now what? shoot for the Blue 220?

just checked the 220/12...and other than being finished w a nice tolex instead of the fabric that my cats long ago shredded....it's appears to be the exact same amp w exactly the same layout in the front.

that...plus it's 220 watts instead of 180. and keep in mind that's 220 watts working the amp at 8 ohm using the internal spkr...couple it w another standalone cab and you're now down to 4 ohms and your amp is giving more _uck for the buck.

i'ts easily carried the truckstop gig...the 180 and one of those EDEN cabs . there's no bass in the PA...just vocals and kick drum, so i'm carrying a good sized room from the stage. and trust me, THE 121's are too often a LOUD BAND.


re. Bill's rig, keep in mind that what you're hearing there is rougly 80% of Bill and MAYBE 20% rig. he sounds very much just like that on his smaller Hartke Kickback or his very small SWR prct amp...i forget the model but it's like 50 watts into a 10" amp/combo.

the rig he's using there is a four x ten cab he built (he had dreams of building these and selling them when he retired....hasn't happened yet. and he was gonna be doing the same w about a half dozen basses he's been in the process of bldg (and stalled out on). he's got some very nice pieces glued up in the neck/body stage. both some neck thru's and some bolt ons*. remember....he built that bass he's using and it is up there w some very high end basses i've played.

he's using a very large (maybe three or four rackspace) heavier than a boat anchor SWR.....maybe an SWR 900? maybe it's a 1200...i dunno, he's got two of 'em the one lesser model that's like 750 watts and this one that's around 1000 watts. i've had to borrow ea of them and hated them both!

i couldn't get anything close to "my tone" and everything just sounded really "processed" and puny while at the same being STOOOPID LOUD>

Dayne...were i you and that was your budget.....yeah, i feel very comfortable recommending that ASHDOWN 220. if you can find somewhere that has one near you (most unlikely) it'd be great to compare the 15" model w the 12") more weight but you might prefer the response of that bigger spkr.

tell ya what though.... i regularly play a bass w a low B string ( and i USE it!) and not only does it handle that low stuff...it sounds great down there. you shouldn't have any problem get enough low end going on there. if you do...blame the bass!

*thread idea!

what i'm getting at is that i'm surprised you haven't been able to find a dozen bands in your area doing this at this level. i know you were looking for more qualified and more adventurous players playing more adventurous music

yep, they are around but they don't have connections to Nashville like Jesse does.. none of the local yokels can promise me $150.00 to $200.00 a night playing 4 hour sets.. granted, I will have to tour and live life on the road, but that money is all guaranteed written contract)s with a minimum of 4 nights a week 48 weeks a year..go figure.. that kind of money is hard to pass up whether being an architect, ditch-digger or bassist in a traveling show.. LOL.I would love to divulge more information ..you would sh*t a brick if you knew who Lane McBride's dad was in Nashville.. btw they all use stage names..

Orange, Marshall and Ampeg all have some nice (smaller) options. I jammed with a Bass Player a couple years ago who had turned his amp into four separate 12" speaker cabinets, all relatively light, and he could use as many of them as the gig required. Forget what the head was.

I'm still lugging around my SWR Working Man which weighs a ton. A truly blue collar amp. I usually keep the ten inch x 2 speaker cabinet at the rehearsal site and the 15" at the house and just lug the head (200watts) back and forth. It can get pretty awesome with both speakers and some volume. But it will never be an B-15 which weighs as much as my car but has sound that's hard to beat.

I wonder sometimes, if we weren't using more power than we needed back in the day? I saw Van Halen at the Whiskey and despite the fact that some of the amps were dummies I counted four Marshal stacks. The club was not that big. My own tawdry band at the time only had one Marshal stack...it was humiliating.

Talbot

that Fender Rumble 500 v3 sounds interesting..good or maybe even great reviews and 30 some lbs..I do not want to lug anything over around 40 lbs.

Orange, Marshall and Ampeg all have some nice (smaller) options. I jammed with a Bass Player a couple years ago who had turned his amp into four separate 12" speaker cabinets, all relatively light, and he could use as many of them as the gig required. Forget what the head was.

I'm still lugging around my SWR Working Man which weighs a ton. A truly blue collar amp. I usually keep the ten inch x 2 speaker cabinet at the rehearsal site and the 15" at the house and just lug the head (200watts) back and forth. It can get pretty awesome with both speakers and some volume. But it will never be an B-15 which weighs as much as my car but has sound that's hard to beat.

I wonder sometimes, if we weren't using more power than we needed back in the day? I saw Van Halen at the Whiskey and despite the fact that some of the amps were dummies I counted four Marshal stacks. The club was not that big. My own tawdry band at the time only had one Marshal stack...it was humiliating.

Talbot

thanks Mike, I will keep that in mind..wasn't this Ross bass amp I have a decent amp? I was thinking Ross was a subsidiary of Kustom.. I always thought Kustom amps were cool with the padding on them .. don't know if that's the correct nomenclature

Dayne - I wish you all the success you deserve, but a few things:

$200/night x 4 nights a week x 48 weeks a year = $38400. Pay your taxes, SS, and (mandatory) medical insurance out of that and you're talking less than $30K take home - hope they pay a stipend/all expenses while you are touring.

Listened to the video, I didn't hear any 'wow' factor, just sounded like another country-rock weekend dive bar band, but if 'Jesse' has connections, great!

I think you'll need to rethink the name though - "The Outlaws" have been a band with national audience for 40+ years and they are still playing/touring.

On the bass amp - lots of choices these days. If you are playing any "big" venues, the amp will need to be miked (or DI-ed) anyway. I've played the big brother to this Hartke amp, it's solid and loud, and this one is less than 30 lbs: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/KB12
There is also the Markbass amp line - not sure how reliable they are in the long run, but they pack a lot of punch in a small size.

Thanks Guitar Mike B,
there is a slim chance I am suffering from delusions of grandeur..

Mike believe me or not, that video/file was the first time we ever played together after Jesse played the cover tune Somewhere Between Right and Wrong.this was the 1st time I had ever seen the drummer and the lead guitarist, Grant.. have found out all these guys have either worked for Lane McBride or Jesse in some fashion..
yep, we heard it the tune once and all said basic 1-4-5 in A major and went to town on it, with one slight "trick" if you will, on the chorus holding the A on walk-down.. but proof was in the pudding when you look out and see a crowd of strangers has assembled.. in reality Mike this is what a crowd desires, I was even dancing later listening to the playback there.. creaming their jeans

what i'm getting at is that i'm surprised you haven't been able to find a dozen bands in your area doing this at this level. i know you were looking for more qualified and more adventurous players playing more adventurous music

yep, they are around but they don't have connections to Nashville like Jesse does.. none of the local yokels can promise me $150.00 to $200.00 a night playing 4 hour sets.. granted, I will have to tour and live life on the road, but that money is all guaranteed written contract)s with a minimum of 4 nights a week 48 weeks a year..go figure.. that kind of money is hard to pass up whether being an architect, ditch-digger or bassist in a traveling show.. LOL.I would love to divulge more information ..you would sh*t a brick if you knew who Lane McBride's dad was in Nashville.. btw they all use stage names..

I checked out the vid, too, and am kinda agreeing w/ what P-guy said (are we like twin brothers from diff mothers?), although I also recognize this is a clip from a rehearsal in a garage--not ideal conditions. I was a little bummed when I read you were buried in the back, playing bass, but that's ok. At the same time, it's clear the singer is somewhat tonally challenged; that can't be explained away so easy. That's why I'm always so wary of dedicated singers/front men--most of 'em aren't very good and are just looking to play out their fantasy, at the expense of real musicians. Not that I'm all that great a vocalist, but I'm the pianist; if someone else in the band can do better, I'm more than happy to step aside and focus on the piano. I'm more interested in the sound than being the focal point.

Listened to the video, I didn't hear any 'wow' factor, just sounded like another country-rock weekend dive bar band, but if 'Jesse' has connections, great!

Couldn't have said it better. If he does have those connections...but you still gotta deliver the goods. Having the right friends can only carry you so far. At the same time, I wonder what I would do in the same situation. Getting $600-$800/week for putting in < 20 hrs. on stage--and at good gigs--is a powerful inducement indeed.

Hope it all works out well for you.

DP....i'm saddened that you decided to spill the beans and let it be known that we are in fact one and the same person!

hey, obviously you're familiar w the first Fogelberg/Weissberg collab "Twin Sons of Different Mothers".....who's hip to the follow up they did like 15 or 20 yrs later?

like the original, it had the two of them on the cover but this time bearing no resemblance to one another at all. and the title?....wait for it. .....wait for it.

"No Resemblance Whatsoever"

Mike believe me or not, that video/file was the first time we ever played together after Jesse played the cover tune Somewhere Between Right and Wrong.this was the 1st time I had ever seen the drummer and the lead guitarist, Grant.. have found out all these guys have either worked for Lane McBride or Jesse in some fashion..
yep, we heard it the tune once and all said basic 1-4-5 in A major and went to town on it

dayne....as i said before i hope this works out for you but i'd be less than honest if i said i think it will.

why?

1. what you mention above about not playing before and just hitting it? sorry bro. that's nuthin' but Bar Band 101 stuff . take any 4 or five players who are seasoned vets w the requisite skills, and it matters NONE whether they've ever played or met before. it SHOULD BE 1-2-3-4...KILL IT! NO PRISONERS!
that's just a given w good seasoned players playing "bar band" material that we've played all our lives.

tough love and reality check....you guys are NOT "killing it". at least not in the GOOD sense.

2. now here's the deal. i dunno what connections this guy actually has. we all DO know that people will talk that $hit when trying to make their situation sound more happening than what the actual reality is.

bringing us to ...

3. the singer.

dayne, i tried to sugarcoat it before, but duuuuude! that guy is terrible! he's waaaaay out of tune and has the charisma and moves of a dying house plant! it's very hard for me to imagine he can keep a band that he's fronting working and commanding any decent money...REGARDLESS of whatever "connections" he claims to have.

sorry if you're put out by any of that....but that's me being straight with you and sharing MY views. obviously your's and other's mileage WILL vary.

hope it works out as you want it to, and i hope i'm wrong. (but i don't think so).

bon chance!

What is this, The Voice™?

If Dayne says they've got gigs lined up, good enough for me. I think the singer is playing it low key. Remember, he's working a crowd, during a rehearsal. For the record, I'd listen to Deputy Dog on the mic as long as that lead guitarist is next to him.

One last thing - does the rhythm guitar player have an electric? that acoustic is just not cutting through the sound.

Guitar Mike B. , that is what I wanted to tell the boss, but back-talking to the boss can get you fired .. ask the guy that is posting negative comments on Springfield, Mo. Craigslist musicians ad.. LOL