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armstrong vs kraftwerk
http://pplmvr.bandcamp.com/track/tour-d ... -kraftwerk

Why did you butcher a really great Kraftwerk song?

Thanks for the compliment. I can tell from your music and age that you're disconnected from today's youthful sound in electronic music. I was paying homage to a great piece of work and a song that I carried with me from the 80's. Each element comes from the original track and I merely re:placed, re:mixed and re:produced Kraftwerk's version and gave it a new millennium feel. Don't worry I'm not offended.

Thanks for the compliment. I can tell from your music and age that you're disconnected from today's youthful sound in electronic music. I was paying homage to a great piece of work and a song that I carried with me from the 80's. Each element comes from the original track and I merely re:placed, re:mixed and re:produced Kraftwerk's version and gave it a new millennium feel. Don't worry I'm not offended.

I'm calling BS here

1) Electronic music is not 'youthful' Its been around longer than you have.
2) Dub-step is not 'music' Its a blender of sound/rythym and in many cases, badly done minimalism.
3) Hitchhiking on the back of somebody else's work and trying to pass it off as a 'new feel' is bullshit. Why don't you man -up and just create your own original work? OR at least admit you were attempting a cover.
4) There is a difference between a musician and a DJ. One doesn't get paid enough for what he does and the other gets paid a lot for doing absolutely nothing...

feel the love!

I never cared for Kraftwerk's music, BUT I will say that it was respectable, it had class and a smoothness, production, and refinement that made it great to those who enjoyed it.

The "remix" you did was horrible. Own up to that and take the criticism..

Accepting criticism only makes you better-

Denying criticism only makes you worse.

It's missing the smoothness of the groove. Your drums take away the mood of the original imo. I can dig paying homage and re-working an influence. But I have to say this one is missing the feel.
FYI
My oldest son creates dub-step, makes beats, composes etc... so even though I'm an old fart I am exposed to what you do. He spent last evening controlling what we listened to including Submotion Orchestra (love them), Excision, DRS, Calyx and Teebee Trapzilla & Riff Raff and many others.
Absorb the critiques harsh as they may seem they make you "Strong like Bull"!!
Keep at it!

Thanks for the compliment. I can tell from your music and age that you're disconnected from today's youthful sound in electronic music. I was paying homage to a great piece of work and a song that I carried with me from the 80's. Each element comes from the original track and I merely re:placed, re:mixed and re:produced Kraftwerk's version and gave it a new millennium feel. Don't worry I'm not offended.

Good for you.

I can tell from your three items;

'take a moment' (feat rush] Rap and sample sounds

'walk on by' Rap and sampled sounds

'fre:sh produce' Rap and sampled sounds

that you are completely disconnected from modern music.

Can you even play any kind of musical instrument?

I appreciate all your negative feedback. Never once did I say dubstep. I did say remix. I didn't say electronic music was youthful, the growth in the electronic scene now is youthful and I incorporate elements from new and old in my sound. My concept album "re:produce" is exactly what it sounds like hence the mutli sampled songs. It is a recreation of great songs and paying homage to the ones that carried me through life. I have a ton of original work without samples as I've been at this for almost 20 years and I'm no young buck at all and this is just the direction I'm going at this moment. I still appreciate the fact that you took time to listen and spark some controversy over these couple of songs. I will not change my approach because I haven't made any music for you, we as "musicians" do for self.

I appreciate all your negative feedback. Never once did I say dubstep. I did say remix. I didn't say electronic music was youthful, the growth in the electronic scene now is youthful and I incorporate elements from new and old in my sound. My concept album "re:produce" is exactly what it sounds like hence the mutli sampled songs. It is a recreation of great songs and paying homage to the ones that carried me through life. I have a ton of original work without samples as I've been at this for almost 20 years and I'm no young buck at all and this is just the direction I'm going at this moment. I still appreciate the fact that you took time to listen and spark some controversy over these couple of songs. I will not change my approach because I haven't made any music for you, we as "musicians" do for self.

Negative feedback? I thought we were all quite positive?
You did imply that electronic music was youthful, when you attempted to associate and juxtapose a poster's age here against the merits of 'youthfulness" in electronic music . Just own the comment . It was your passive aggressive stab at the dude... Its very transparent.

I'm glad to know you have original material. Now that you have clarified that your intent to remix, was a tribute...Its more sensible. The only thing then , which remains, is whether you were successful on the kraftwerk piece... It appears that you recieved opinions.
I've been doing music seriously for only 2 + years... I will tell you honestly, I wont listen to remixed renditions of anything, cause frankly, it doesn't change the story the audience derives out of the song. Remix is like theater. Same play, different performance each night... Nobody hangs around to see all the renditions. ...
Of course, any small circle of friends might indulge in it.. but the general public typically wont.

You have thus received invaluable feedback on this thread... It is what it is... Grow, or don't grow, Accept or reject... Its up to you entirely. We did our part.

With all due respect, words like "horrible" and "butchered" are negative. Feedback is great and I welcome it but when it is negative, it's negative and when it's constructive, then that is where we can accept it without defense and attempt to grow.

So, thanks for caring enough to humor me on this post and critique my music but again, with all due respect, my genre of music is a separate path than that of which you follow so your words are accepted as your opinion and I will keep on "creating" the way that I see fit.

It's great that you don't like remixes, you shouldn't listen and comment on them if you're biased against them, there's no justice in that. I don't like mushrooms so I don't eat them.

In the end, hold the youthful comment against me as you wish, I stand behind the claim that electro music is a youthful movement, not originated by this generation but carried on and magnified by it.

Love is love and I appreciate the convo either way, it feels good to discuss and debate my music with people who are not my "yes" people. It's just funny that none of my critics are of the same genre or anywhere near it.

Respect,
Matt Rogers

Oh you've been eating plenty o shrooms, lemme tell ya.. lol

With all due respect, words like "horrible" and "butchered" are negative. Feedback is great and I welcome it but when it is negative, it's negative and when it's constructive, then that is where we can accept it without defense and attempt to grow.

So, thanks for caring enough to humor me on this post and critique my music but again, with all due respect, my genre of music is a separate path than that of which you follow so your words are accepted as your opinion and I will keep on "creating" the way that I see fit.

It's great that you don't like remixes, you shouldn't listen and comment on them if you're biased against them, there's no justice in that. I don't like mushrooms so I don't eat them.

In the end, hold the youthful comment against me as you wish, I stand behind the claim that electro music is a youthful movement, not originated by this generation but carried on and magnified by it.

Love is love and I appreciate the convo either way, it feels good to discuss and debate my music with people who are not my "yes" people. It's just funny that none of my critics are of the same genre or anywhere near it.

Respect,
Matt Rogers

Ok lol.. since I'm the one who used the term "horrible", I guess it's time to chime in.

You say you've been doing this for 20+ years? How exactly can I honestly critique it constructively, when it has so many basic flaws? Let me start and see where it goes-

You see, the recording quality is lacking in several ways. First the "electronica" is not smooth, it's dirty and reminds me of a $10 casio keyboard I had when I was a kid. That would be okay actually if not for the audio effects, specifically the reverb, where the gate cuts out very harshly before the effect can even resolve itself. THAT is very much like the canned reverb of that same $10 casio keyboard. There are other more organic and better keys in the recording, so I understand that you probably desired that specific dirty sound, but at the same time, you also made the same effects mistakes on the delay, where more of the instrumentation got caught up in the delay than should have- as if you didn't have everything properly tracked, and then applied the delay to a group of tracks or bounced several tracks together first(?), which comes off as more of an after-thought than a production decision.

So here's the summary- It's like some of the crappiest grunge where some bands used cheap gear and cheap mics just to try and sound like crap- nobody was fooled.. it was crap, and I'm thankful to whatever god or spaghetti monster in the sky allowed most of that crap to stay underground where it belonged. Same wen't for "weird" music, where bands would intentionally write senseless melodies and arrangements that instead of being edgy or truly artistic, were written to be weird for the sake of being weird, diluting the pool for the true artists of that type of music.

Just because *I* don't personally make electronica doesn't mean I'm ignorant of it, or the basic application of recording do's and don'ts regardless of genre.

You didn't break into any new territory here. You took something unique and made a mockery of it, intentional or not doesn't matter. That's how and why I summarized it as "horrible". I stand by that.

My own home recordings are pretty horrible as well, but I understand that and accept it. If I got on here and asked an opinion, as if I intended to "release" that material, I'm sure people here would have lambasted me as well.

What else is there to say?

You know, I'd love to tell Keith that he's wrong about your music.
Sad fact is that I think he's spot on.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA "10$ keyboard".. That's a kick in the balls..
Ewwww "Medic to aisle 3 for cleanup".. lol Bring a mop..

The last time I heard of a "peoplemover" was in the 6th grade.
Some chick was trying to sell us all on some Bus type transportation where everyone had their legs sticking out of the bottom, you know like a "Flinstones" bus or some such sh*t.
It was a debacle.. lol Glad to see you keeping the tradition alive..

At least he called it "electronica"....

You guys are doing better than me, I couldnt even listen to it.

Wow, can't wait until I'm old too so I can waste all my free time sitting at my computer talking sh*t on the internet to people who have nothing to do with my life. I'm sorry you have nothing better to do, get out of the house, go exercise, make a friend and live life a little. It's unhealthy to sit around and project negative energy on people who haven't impacted your life in any way. Respect.