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#7791 by darockguitar1
Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:27 pm
!. Esteban Herrera
1. Jimi Hendrix* - Jimi Hendrix Experience
2. Eric Clapton - Yardbirds, Cream, Derek & The Dominos, Solo
3. Jimmy Page - Yardbirds, Led Zeppelin, The Firm
4. Jeff Beck - Yardbirds, Jeff Beck Group, Solo
5. Eddie Van Halen - Van Halen
6. Stevie Ray Vaughan* - Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble
7. Joe Satriani - Solo
8. Ritchie Blackmore - Deep Purple, Rainbow, Blackmores Night
9. Steve Vai - David Lee Roth, Whitesnake, Solo
10. David Gilmour - Pink Floyd, Solo
11. John Petrucci - Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment
12. Randy Rhoads* - Quiet Riot, Ozzy
13. Allan Holdsworth - Solo
14. Paul Gilbert - Mr. Big, Racer X, Solo
15. Yngwie Malmsteen - Rising Force, Solo
16. Phil Keaggy - Glass Harp, Solo
17. Jason Becker - Cacophony, David Lee Roth Band, Solo
18. John Mclaughlin- Mahavishnu Orchestra
19. Duane Allman* - Allman Brothers Band, Derek & the Dominos
20. Chuck Berry - Solo
21. Eric Johnson - Solo
22. Steve Howe - Yes, Solo
23. Neal Schon - Santana, Journey, Solo
24. Brian May - Queen
25. Gary Moore - Thin Lizzy, Colosseum II, Skid Row, Solo
26. Bo Diddley - Solo
27. Steve Morse - Deep Purple, Dixie Dregs, Steve Morse Band, Solo
28. Carlos Santana - Santana
29. Tony Iommi - Black Sabbath
30. Buckethead - Solo, Praxis, Thanatopsis, The Deli Creeps, Cornbugs, GNR,
31. Mark Knopfler - Dire Straits, Solo
32. Marty Friedman - Cacophony, Megadeth, Solo
33. Nuno Bettencourt - Extreme, Mourning Widows
34. Shawn Lane* - Black Oak Arkansas, Willy, Solo
35. Kirk Hammett - Metallica
36. Uli Jon Roth - Scorpions, Solo
37. Terry Kath* - Chicago Transit Authority
38. Alex Lifeson - Rush
39. Frank Zappa* - Mothers of Invention, Solo
40. Rory Gallagher* - Solo
41. Dimebag Darrell* - Pantera
42. Peter Green - Fleetwood Mac, Solo
43. Robin Trower - Procal Harum, Solo
44. Slash - Guns N' Roses, Velvet Revolver
45. Mick Taylor - John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, Rolling Stones
46. Robert Fripp - King Crimson
47. Tom Morello - Rage Against the Machine, Audioslave
48. Michael Schenker - Scorpions, UFO, MSG, Contraband
49. Ry Cooder - Solo
50. Angus Young - AC/DC
51. Keith Richards - Rolling Stones, Solo
52. Michael Angelo Batio - Nitro, Solo
53. John Squire - Stone Roses
54. Pete Townshend - The Who
55. Steve Hackett - Genisis
56. Zakk Wylde - Ozzy Osbourne, Black Label Society
57. George Harrison* - Beatles, Traveling Wilberys, Solo
58. Alvin Lee - Ten Years After
59. Dave Davies - Kinks
60. Jerry Cantrell - Alice In Chains, Solo
61. Steve Stevens - Billy Idol
62. Johnny Winter - Solo
63. Dickie Betts - Allman Brothers Band, Dickey Betts & Great Southern
64. John Cipollina* - Quicksilver Messenger Service
65. Kenny Wayne Shepherd - Kenny Wayne Shepherd Band
66. Steve Cropper - Booker T. & MG's/Stax sessions
67. Adrian Belew - King Crimson
68. Joe Bonamassa - Solo
69. Steve Lukather - Toto, Solo
70. Jerry Garcia* - Grateful Dead
71. Joe Perry - Aerosmith
72. Prince - Prince & The Revolution
73. Kim Mitchell - Max Webster, Solo
74. Adrian Smith - Iron Maiden
75. Dave Murray - Iron Maiden
76. Neil Young - Buffalo Springfield, CSNY, Solo
77. Billy Gibbons - ZZ Top
78. Tony MacAlpine - Solo
79. Mike McCready - Pearl Jam
80. Adam Jones - Tool
81. Gary Hoey - Solo
82. Leslie West - Mountain, Solo
83. Peter Frampton - Humble Pie, Frampton's Camel, Solo
84. Dick Dale - Del-Tones
85. Vito Bratta - White Lion
86. Mickey "Guitar" Baker - 50's sessions/ Mickey & Sylvia
87. John Frusciante - Red Hot Chili Peppers
88. Ronnie Montrose - Montrose, Edgar Winter Group
89. Mick Ronson* - David Bowie, Solo
90. Roy Buchanan* - Solo
91. Warren Haynes - Allman Brothers Band, Gov't Mule
92. Vinnie Moore - Alice Cooper, Solo
93. Robbie Krieger - Doors, Solo
94. Chris DeGarmo - Queensryche
95. Jake E. Lee - Cutting Crew, Ozzy, Badlands, Solo
96. Glen Tipton - Judas Priest
97. Joe Walsh - James Gang, Eagles, Solo
98. K.K. Downing - Judas Priest
99. Eddie Hazel* - Funkadelic
100. Alex Skolnick - Testament
101. Doug Aldrich - Burning Rain, Dio, Whitesnake, Solo
102. Michael Romeo - Symphony X
103. Vernon Reid - Living Colour
104. Gary Richrath - REO Speedwagon, Solo
105. Link Wray - Link Wray and his Ace-Men
106. Allen Collins* - Lynyrd Skynyrd
107. Larry "Ler" Lalonde - Primus
108. Randy Bachmann - Guess Who, BTO
109. Jeff Healy - Jeff Healy Band
110. Greg Howe - Solo
111. Dave Navarro - Janes Addiction
112. Scott Gorham - Thin Lizzy
113. Ted Nugent - Ambouy Dukes, Damn Yankees, Solo,
114. Vivian Campbell - Dio, Whitesnake, Def Leppard
115. Paul Kossoff* - Free, Back Street Crawler
116. Ritchie Kotzen - Poison, Mr Big, Solo
117. Brian Robertson - Thin Lizzy, Motorhead
118. Andy Summers - Police
119. John Sykes - Blue Murder, Whitesnake, Thin Lizzy
120. Scotty Moore - Elvis Presley
121. Gary Rossington - Lynyrd Skynyrd, Rossington Band
122. Ty Tabor - Kings X, Jelly Bean, Poundhound, Jughead, Platypus
123. John Fogerty - CCR, Solo
124. Ron Wood - Faces, Rolling Stones
125. Ace Frehley - Kiss
126. Akira Takasaki - Loudness, Lazy
127. Michael Wilton - Queensryche
128. Cliff Gallup* - Gene Vincent's Blue Caps
129. Richie Sambora - Bon Jovi
130. George Lynch - Dokken, Lynch Mob
131. Reb Beach - Winger, Dokken
132. Nick Drake* - Solo
133. Tommy Bolin* - James Gang, Deep Purple
134. Kerry King - Slayer
135. Thurston Moore - Sonic Youth
136. Harry Cody - Shotgun Messiah
137. Lowell George* - Little Feat
138. Tracii Gunns - Guns N Roses, L.A. Guns
139. Tom Scholz - Boston
140. Buck Dharma - Blue Oyster Cult
141. Jorma Kaukonen - Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna
142. Richard Thompson - Fairport Convention, Solo
143. Trey Anastasio - Phish
144. Janick Gers - Iron Maiden
145. Mick Box - Uriah Heep
146. Johnny Marr - Smiths, Electronic, Johnny Marr & The Healers
147. Blues Saraceno - Poison, Solo
148. Lowman Pauling* - "5" Royales
149. Timo Tolkki - Stratovarius
150. Mike Einziger - Incubus
151. John Christ - Danzig
152. Jonny Greenwood - Radiohead
153. Phil Collen - Def Leppard
154. Andy Timmons - Danger Danger, Ceili Rain
155. Steve Gaines* - Lynyrd Skynyrd
156. Ron Asheton - Iggy Pop, Stooges
157. James Burton - Ricky Nelson, Elvis Presley
158. Mark Kendall - Great White
159. Lindsey Buckingham - Fleetwood Mac
160. Jennifer Batten - Jeff Beck, Michael Jackson, Solo
161. Matthias Jabs - Scorpions
162. Carl Perkins* - Solo
163. Wayne Kramer - MC5
164. Nils Lofgren - E Street Band
165. Michael Sweet - Stryper
166. Robbie Robertson - The Band, Solo
167. Frank Hannon - Tesla
168. Trevor Rabin - Yes
169. Brian Setzer - Stray Cats, The Brian Setzer Orchestra
170. Martin Barre - Jethro Tull
171. Kim Thayil - Soundgarden
172. Pat Travers - Pat Travers Band
173. Dave Mustaine - Metallica, Megadeth
174. Rik Emmitt - Triumph
175. Eddie Cochran* - Solo
176. Frank Marino - Mahogany Rush
177. Justin Hayward - Moody Blues, Solo
178. Tommy Skeoch - Tesla
179. Warren DeMartini - Ratt
180. Syd Barrett* - Pink Floyd
181. Don Felder - Eagles
182. The Edge - U2
183. Brad Gillis - Night Ranger, Ozzy
184. Andy Powell - Wishbone Ash
185. Mick Mars - Motley Crue
186. Billy Duffy - The Cult
187. Randy California* - Spirit
188. Eric Bell - Thin Lizzy
189. Lita Ford - The Runaways, Solo
190. Jeff Hanneman - Slayer
191. Mick Jones - Foreigner
192. Stone Gossard - Pearl Jam, Temple of the Dog
193. Duane Eddy - Solo
194. Mike Campbell - Tom Petty/ Heartbreakers
195. Glen Buxton* - Alice Cooper
196. Daron Malakian - System Of A Down
197. Steven Stills - Buffalo Springfield, CSN&Y, Solo
198. Roger McGuinn - Byrds, Solo
199. J. Mascis - Dinosaur Junior, The Fog
200. James Hetfield - Metallica

#7810 by gexclamationpoint
Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:45 am
eh, lots of opinion in there. i cant tell if your list goes by talent or by how influential th guitarist is/was

#7926 by Vesa
Wed May 02, 2007 2:01 am

Django Reinhart...
That's where it starts for me, the rest,
well I could mix it up, too many to mention for a long list,
after him.

(look him up in search/or 'Youtube' video)


:wink: -Vesa.
#8405 by mistermikev
Fri May 11, 2007 1:51 am
xxestyxx wrote:!. Esteban Herrera
1. Jimi Hendrix* - Jimi Hendrix Experience
2. Eric Clapton - Yardbirds, Cream, Derek & The Dominos, Solo
3. Jimmy Page - Yardbirds, Led Zeppelin, The Firm
4. Jeff Beck - Yardbirds, Jeff Beck Group, Solo
5. Eddie Van Halen - Van Halen
6. Stevie Ray Vaughan* - Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble
7. Joe Satriani - Solo
8. Ritchie Blackmore - Deep Purple, Rainbow, Blackmores Night
9. Steve Vai - David Lee Roth, Whitesnake, Solo
10. David Gilmour - Pink Floyd, Solo
11. John Petrucci - Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Experiment
12. Randy Rhoads* - Quiet Riot, Ozzy
13. Allan Holdsworth - Solo
14. Paul Gilbert - Mr. Big, Racer X, Solo
15. Yngwie Malmsteen - Rising Force, Solo
16. Phil Keaggy - Glass Harp, Solo
17. Jason Becker - Cacophony, David Lee Roth Band, Solo
18. John Mclaughlin- Mahavishnu Orchestra
19. Duane Allman* - Allman Brothers Band, Derek & the Dominos
20. Chuck Berry - Solo
21. Eric Johnson - Solo
22. Steve Howe - Yes, Solo
23. Neal Schon - Santana, Journey, Solo
24. Brian May - Queen
25. Gary Moore - Thin Lizzy, Colosseum II, Skid Row, Solo
26. Bo Diddley - Solo
27. Steve Morse - Deep Purple, Dixie Dregs, Steve Morse Band, Solo
28. Carlos Santana - Santana
29. Tony Iommi - Black Sabbath
30. Buckethead - Solo, Praxis, Thanatopsis, The Deli Creeps, Cornbugs, GNR,
31. Mark Knopfler - Dire Straits, Solo
32. Marty Friedman - Cacophony, Megadeth, Solo
33. Nuno Bettencourt - Extreme, Mourning Widows
34. Shawn Lane* - Black Oak Arkansas, Willy, Solo
35. Kirk Hammett - Metallica
36. Uli Jon Roth - Scorpions, Solo
37. Terry Kath* - Chicago Transit Authority
38. Alex Lifeson - Rush
39. Frank Zappa* - Mothers of Invention, Solo
40. Rory Gallagher* - Solo
41. Dimebag Darrell* - Pantera
42. Peter Green - Fleetwood Mac, Solo
43. Robin Trower - Procal Harum, Solo
44. Slash - Guns N' Roses, Velvet Revolver
45. Mick Taylor - John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, Rolling Stones
46. Robert Fripp - King Crimson
47. Tom Morello - Rage Against the Machine, Audioslave
48. Michael Schenker - Scorpions, UFO, MSG, Contraband
49. Ry Cooder - Solo
50. Angus Young - AC/DC
51. Keith Richards - Rolling Stones, Solo
52. Michael Angelo Batio - Nitro, Solo
53. John Squire - Stone Roses
54. Pete Townshend - The Who
55. Steve Hackett - Genisis
56. Zakk Wylde - Ozzy Osbourne, Black Label Society
57. George Harrison* - Beatles, Traveling Wilberys, Solo
58. Alvin Lee - Ten Years After
59. Dave Davies - Kinks
60. Jerry Cantrell - Alice In Chains, Solo
61. Steve Stevens - Billy Idol
62. Johnny Winter - Solo
63. Dickie Betts - Allman Brothers Band, Dickey Betts & Great Southern
64. John Cipollina* - Quicksilver Messenger Service
65. Kenny Wayne Shepherd - Kenny Wayne Shepherd Band
66. Steve Cropper - Booker T. & MG's/Stax sessions
67. Adrian Belew - King Crimson
68. Joe Bonamassa - Solo
69. Steve Lukather - Toto, Solo
70. Jerry Garcia* - Grateful Dead
71. Joe Perry - Aerosmith
72. Prince - Prince & The Revolution
73. Kim Mitchell - Max Webster, Solo
74. Adrian Smith - Iron Maiden
75. Dave Murray - Iron Maiden
76. Neil Young - Buffalo Springfield, CSNY, Solo
77. Billy Gibbons - ZZ Top
78. Tony MacAlpine - Solo
79. Mike McCready - Pearl Jam
80. Adam Jones - Tool
81. Gary Hoey - Solo
82. Leslie West - Mountain, Solo
83. Peter Frampton - Humble Pie, Frampton's Camel, Solo
84. Dick Dale - Del-Tones
85. Vito Bratta - White Lion
86. Mickey "Guitar" Baker - 50's sessions/ Mickey & Sylvia
87. John Frusciante - Red Hot Chili Peppers
88. Ronnie Montrose - Montrose, Edgar Winter Group
89. Mick Ronson* - David Bowie, Solo
90. Roy Buchanan* - Solo
91. Warren Haynes - Allman Brothers Band, Gov't Mule
92. Vinnie Moore - Alice Cooper, Solo
93. Robbie Krieger - Doors, Solo
94. Chris DeGarmo - Queensryche
95. Jake E. Lee - Cutting Crew, Ozzy, Badlands, Solo
96. Glen Tipton - Judas Priest
97. Joe Walsh - James Gang, Eagles, Solo
98. K.K. Downing - Judas Priest
99. Eddie Hazel* - Funkadelic
100. Alex Skolnick - Testament
101. Doug Aldrich - Burning Rain, Dio, Whitesnake, Solo
102. Michael Romeo - Symphony X
103. Vernon Reid - Living Colour
104. Gary Richrath - REO Speedwagon, Solo
105. Link Wray - Link Wray and his Ace-Men
106. Allen Collins* - Lynyrd Skynyrd
107. Larry "Ler" Lalonde - Primus
108. Randy Bachmann - Guess Who, BTO
109. Jeff Healy - Jeff Healy Band
110. Greg Howe - Solo
111. Dave Navarro - Janes Addiction
112. Scott Gorham - Thin Lizzy
113. Ted Nugent - Ambouy Dukes, Damn Yankees, Solo,
114. Vivian Campbell - Dio, Whitesnake, Def Leppard
115. Paul Kossoff* - Free, Back Street Crawler
116. Ritchie Kotzen - Poison, Mr Big, Solo
117. Brian Robertson - Thin Lizzy, Motorhead
118. Andy Summers - Police
119. John Sykes - Blue Murder, Whitesnake, Thin Lizzy
120. Scotty Moore - Elvis Presley
121. Gary Rossington - Lynyrd Skynyrd, Rossington Band
122. Ty Tabor - Kings X, Jelly Bean, Poundhound, Jughead, Platypus
123. John Fogerty - CCR, Solo
124. Ron Wood - Faces, Rolling Stones
125. Ace Frehley - Kiss
126. Akira Takasaki - Loudness, Lazy
127. Michael Wilton - Queensryche
128. Cliff Gallup* - Gene Vincent's Blue Caps
129. Richie Sambora - Bon Jovi
130. George Lynch - Dokken, Lynch Mob
131. Reb Beach - Winger, Dokken
132. Nick Drake* - Solo
133. Tommy Bolin* - James Gang, Deep Purple
134. Kerry King - Slayer
135. Thurston Moore - Sonic Youth
136. Harry Cody - Shotgun Messiah
137. Lowell George* - Little Feat
138. Tracii Gunns - Guns N Roses, L.A. Guns
139. Tom Scholz - Boston
140. Buck Dharma - Blue Oyster Cult
141. Jorma Kaukonen - Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna
142. Richard Thompson - Fairport Convention, Solo
143. Trey Anastasio - Phish
144. Janick Gers - Iron Maiden
145. Mick Box - Uriah Heep
146. Johnny Marr - Smiths, Electronic, Johnny Marr & The Healers
147. Blues Saraceno - Poison, Solo
148. Lowman Pauling* - "5" Royales
149. Timo Tolkki - Stratovarius
150. Mike Einziger - Incubus
151. John Christ - Danzig
152. Jonny Greenwood - Radiohead
153. Phil Collen - Def Leppard
154. Andy Timmons - Danger Danger, Ceili Rain
155. Steve Gaines* - Lynyrd Skynyrd
156. Ron Asheton - Iggy Pop, Stooges
157. James Burton - Ricky Nelson, Elvis Presley
158. Mark Kendall - Great White
159. Lindsey Buckingham - Fleetwood Mac
160. Jennifer Batten - Jeff Beck, Michael Jackson, Solo
161. Matthias Jabs - Scorpions
162. Carl Perkins* - Solo
163. Wayne Kramer - MC5
164. Nils Lofgren - E Street Band
165. Michael Sweet - Stryper
166. Robbie Robertson - The Band, Solo
167. Frank Hannon - Tesla
168. Trevor Rabin - Yes
169. Brian Setzer - Stray Cats, The Brian Setzer Orchestra
170. Martin Barre - Jethro Tull
171. Kim Thayil - Soundgarden
172. Pat Travers - Pat Travers Band
173. Dave Mustaine - Metallica, Megadeth
174. Rik Emmitt - Triumph
175. Eddie Cochran* - Solo
176. Frank Marino - Mahogany Rush
177. Justin Hayward - Moody Blues, Solo
178. Tommy Skeoch - Tesla
179. Warren DeMartini - Ratt
180. Syd Barrett* - Pink Floyd
181. Don Felder - Eagles
182. The Edge - U2
183. Brad Gillis - Night Ranger, Ozzy
184. Andy Powell - Wishbone Ash
185. Mick Mars - Motley Crue
186. Billy Duffy - The Cult
187. Randy California* - Spirit
188. Eric Bell - Thin Lizzy
189. Lita Ford - The Runaways, Solo
190. Jeff Hanneman - Slayer
191. Mick Jones - Foreigner
192. Stone Gossard - Pearl Jam, Temple of the Dog
193. Duane Eddy - Solo
194. Mike Campbell - Tom Petty/ Heartbreakers
195. Glen Buxton* - Alice Cooper
196. Daron Malakian - System Of A Down
197. Steven Stills - Buffalo Springfield, CSN&Y, Solo
198. Roger McGuinn - Byrds, Solo
199. J. Mascis - Dinosaur Junior, The Fog
200. James Hetfield - Metallica


FOA, this list deserves another post as it must have required some effort. If it is an ordered list I would dissagree in many of the top 25 places, but see a lot of good guys listed there especially with eric clapton. Hes a good player not great. He's a great songwriter. His guitar playing is not bad, but I cannot believe you would put him above so many others who would beat him based on technique, voice, phrasing, knowlege of theory demonstrated in the chord changes and melody compliments. I guess it all depends what you rate them on. If were talking physical tecnique, I think steve vai, chet atkins, yngwie malmsteen, albert lee, al dimeola... if your talking best in a band with lyrics then evh, srv, jimi hendrix, jimi page... if your talking feel and emotion then carlos santana, srv, steve vai, satriani, john scofield.

Thanks again for a great list.
#8502 by Swampgrass Music
Tue May 15, 2007 5:58 am
Which means there is no best and no list - music is in the air, when it reaches you and tickles your little hairs in a way that they rub and make magic, that moment is the best. It is gone as soon as it appears.

now go practice.

#9286 by Matt Harlos
Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:03 pm
Wow that is the worst list I have ever seen

Dave mustaine number 174????

Tom morollo is a 47? and Mustaine is 174! WTF!

Angus young 50??

JOE PERRY BEAT ADRIAN SMITH AND DAVE MURRAY????

Neil young beats Peter frampton???

WOW James Hetfield is 200 - Probably one of the most influential Rythm guitar players of all time.....barely makes the list.

If you came up with that yourself you should be ASHAMED!

#9305 by darockguitar1
Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:54 pm
Alright, for the record,this list was taken out from the Rolling Stone Magazine Website, and I have to agree that some of the ranks are wrong. In the end its only an opinion of different people. Like the comment above says, music IS in the air, its just a matter of taste. The only thing I cant dispute is Esteban Herrera being numero uno!

#9309 by Matt Harlos
Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:09 pm
ya i think i remember seeing that issue, and being very dissapointed.

Guitar world did one a couple years back, alot better.

Although to do an accurate one they would have to have different categories...

eg.

Writer/composer/arranger

Shredder

Rythm

innovative/influential

acoustic

and so on...

#9311 by darockguitar1
Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:18 pm
good point.

#9348 by NATAS
Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:45 am
My personal favorites would be in no order would be

Dimebag Darell
Zakk Wylde
Randy roades
Dave Mustaine
Jeff Hannamen
Kerry King
Jerry Cantrell

#9386 by darockguitar1
Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:17 pm
hey, man u forgot to mention Esteban Herrera... thanks

#9426 by mistermikev
Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:42 pm
I have much respect for the list... but see it for what it is... or who it's readers are... rollingstone is read by music appreciators... and not necc musicians... guitar world is read by gtr players only... both have their limited stance.
estabon first tho? what the? don't get me wrong the guy is great... but so was yngwie and neither would top my list. both brought little "new" to the style they mirrored(yngwie-classical/estabon-flamenco). I would put a number of people in that spot - van halen, vai, satriani, chet atkins, hendrix, Jimi Page - but not estabon (IMO). I try to think... who changed the face of how we play guitar the most. That is the "most influential player". That is a player who brought something "no one has ever done" to the table.
Page brought so many different feels to the rock gtr stage... he really broadened the horizon... Page did the first finger tap.
VanHalen took tapping to the next level.
Hendrix had a unique style due to the left hand technique on a right hand guitar, had a great ear for some equally stange note choices too.
Vai played with more passion than any other on "passion and warfare"... His modal choices were new and exiting.
Satriani took gtr instrumental and put it in a place where EVERYONE could listen to it... with that "crush of love" - I still remember when that came on the radio... and being blown away by the phrasing.
chet atkins had golden hands... could play ANYTHING effortlessly... raised the bar in many different styles -country, jazz, blues, rockabilly - and that fretless gtr thing - WHEW!

So who changed the face of guitar the most for you?

#9440 by MacLeod
Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:05 pm
Page brought so many different feels to the rock gtr stage... he really broadened the horizon... Page did the first finger tap.


No he didn't. Lots of people were trying to finger tap in the 60's and even more in the 70s. The only thing that matters is that it was Eddie that brought it to the attention of the masses. Jimmy isnt even in the top thousand guitarists on this planet.


Hendrix had a unique style due to the left hand technique on a right hand guitar, had a great ear for some equally stange note choices too.


Thats because his childhood was steeped in Jazz and Blues

Vai played with more passion than any other on "passion and warfare"... His modal choices were new and exiting.


About as passionate as a robot. Technically gifted but both feel and emotion have escaped him unfortunately

Satriani took gtr instrumental and put it in a place where EVERYONE could listen to it... with that "crush of love" - I still remember when that came on the radio... and being blown away by the phrasing.


Boooooooooooooooring.....Crap tunes, another machine churning out technical garbage.


So who changed the face of guitar the most for you?

Anyone and everyone! Even Dave Evans from U2 is technically poor but invented a style and sound all of his own.

#9443 by PhrAiLGuitarist
Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:50 pm
*And now, for something completely different!*

Meh. These "greatest *" lists are a total waste of time and complete crap. These lists are only as good as an individual's personal opinion. Period. "Greatest Guitarists," "Greatest Drummers," etc. "Great" differs with every person, so for even a group of people to agree on one list like this is really... frivolous. I think what it all boils down to is, even happier than the people who agree with these lists are the people who disagree.

The aforementioned list looks more like a "name as many good guitarists as you can" list, lol. How in the world can you even compare these guitarists by a rank when there are so many different eras and genres??? I mean, yeah, Hendrix was great for his time and his contributions are timeless but as with many other things, people come along who COMPLETELY best the master and take what they've done to the next level. I mean, what happened to these guys:

Scott Mishoe (Solo)
Scott Stine (Solo)
Derek Taylor (Solo)
Ron Thal "Bumblefoot" (Solo, G'n'R)
Mattias "IA" Eklundh (Freak Kitchen, Freak Guitar, Miscellaneous projects)
Fabrizio Leo (Citriniti, Solo)
Frank Gambale (Chick Corea Band, Solo, Miscellaneous projects)
Magnus Olsson (Solo)
Kiko Loureiro (Angra, Solo)
Marshall Harrison (Black Sheep, Solo)
Brett Garsed (Solo)
TJ Helmrich (Solo)
Anthony Mazzella (Solo)
Stanley Jordan (Solo)
Dominic Cifarelli (Pulse Ultra, The Chronicles of Israfel, Misc. projects)
Fredrick Thordendal (Meshuggah, Sol Niger)
Ramón Ortíz (Puya, Ankla)

I mean, if I sat here long enough, I could probably create a list equally as lengthy as the one Rolling Stone did and with absolutely no doubles! I mean, as I'm sitting here writing this sentence, I'm thinking up tons of other guitarists who aren't on that list... some, surprisingly but others, not so. There are SO MANY GREAT GUITARISTS out there... actually, scratch that. There are SO MANY AMAZING MUSICIANS out there that to try to classify them in any type of order is both baffling and fruitless to me... but, hey... that's just me.

There is no "greatest." There is only proficiency and genius and from that, we derive favorites. No logical or rational order can be put on greatness other than chronologically. There's *always* someone greater than the next... but in no particular order, of course. =)

Okay, I'm done ranting. =P

-Stephen

#9444 by PhrAiLGuitarist
Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:24 pm
MacLeod wrote:
Vai played with more passion than any other on "passion and warfare"... His modal choices were new and exiting.


About as passionate as a robot. Technically gifted but both feel and emotion have escaped him unfortunately

Satriani took gtr instrumental and put it in a place where EVERYONE could listen to it... with that "crush of love" - I still remember when that came on the radio... and being blown away by the phrasing.


Boooooooooooooooring.....Crap tunes, another machine churning out technical garbage.


It's crystal-clear that you haven't listened to a whole heck of a lot of Steve Vai's work. I used to share your opinion until I broadened my understanding of guitar and gave his full discography a chance. Yes, he has a pleathora of purely technical pieces but more often than not, his treasure troves of feel come out in places beyond the first couple of minutes of his songs. Someone like you probably would have no idea of those moments. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise to your opinion but don't speak solely on ignorance and the fact that you don't like his music for whatever reason based on a handful of songs you may have half-way listened to. Fairweather musicians litter this planet, I'll tell you what. Of course, if you're a guy who finds feel in blues or jazz, of course you're not going to perceive Steve Vai's context of feel. Just because you don't compute it the same doesn't mean it doesn't exist, though... granted, I will hand it to you that when Steve Vai attempts anything remotely close to blues, he fails miserably, lol.

Instead of being a jackass and arguing just for the sake of arguing, I'll give you a couple of songs to specifically listen to of his. If you'll listen to them without any preconceived notions that they're going to suck, I think you may vary your opinion slightly. Maybe not but don't cheat yourself out of good music because of stubborn opinion. Too many guys get caught up in their ridiculous stubborn opinions and miss out on a lot of good music because of it. I've been guilty of the same thing and still catch myself sometimes, so I'm not pointing any fingers.

Boston Rain Melody
Blue Powder
The Riddle
Building the Church (Technical intro but great feel through the verses)
Melissa's Garden

About your opinion of Satriani, I have come to the same conclusion of his work past Engines of Creation. There's usually a song or two (maybe even three) on his albums that I find appealing. Otherwise, it sounds to me like he recycles the same formulas he's used for success since day one.

U2's guitarist is great, by the way. Greatness isn't determined by technical proficiency. I don't know why so many people get so hung up on "well, this guy sounds great and is unique but he's not technical." Who cares if he's not technical!? This is all coming from a shredhead, by the way, so I know about technique and how many people seem to think it's the end all, be all of guitar.

Meh...

-Stephen

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