General Music Chat

Craig - somehow you've gotten the mistaken idea that I don't believe that the system of life is intricate, beautiful and worthwhile. It totally is! But it doesn't require a designer or overseer to exist; it does it on its own!

No brother.

I get you loud and clear.

The universe is intelligent. Purposeful. Meaningful. Beautiful. Has a plan and design that functions and allows life to exist and flourish and expand and be sustained....

All that, without some all-powerful force having planned and directed it.

Well, that all-powerful force, is the Universe itself! The universe is LIKE God in every significant way... Just not a reflection of the very God, that so many billions "blindly" seem to come to have faith in.

In other words... All the attributes we would attribute to God, you attribute to MERE PHYSICAL MATTER. It's ok for MERE PHYSICAL MATTER to have those intelligent, creative and purposeful attributes, just not something called.... God.

And you think you aren't fighting against the Creator?



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Chris - I'm not exactly sure what you're asking but I'll try to respond:

"how does a self-sufficient organism benefit by giving up its self-sufficiency?"

First of all, nothing is self-sufficient. Every living thing is a system that takes in inputs (food) and processes them. Even the algae that clung to the rocks for the first billion years of life converted sunlight into nourishment. This was as "self-sufficient" as life has ever been.

How do you benefit from eating? You are taking the energy that another living thing stored and converting it into the materials you need to live and grow. I don't see how that is giving up anything so maybe you could rephrase your query?

Thanks for the response Jimmy. Well, self-sufficient is as you put it - the organism doesn't have to hunt for food, it just basks in the light.

At some point, the basking in the light changed to being a predator which requires an entirely different 'digestive system'. I'm not seeing how 'Survival of the fittest' fits into this context. What environment would cause a self-sufficient organism to be able to digest, or even know that a replacement energy source exists in the first place? I doubt two organisms bumping into each other sparked a digestive system and the an insatiable carniverous diet.

Excellent question Chris. First of all, we (the animal kingdom) did not evolve from algae. What every living thing does have in common is the DNA molecule. This molecule only has four letters in its alphabet yet it is capable of producing all of the life you see. The beautiful thing about DNA is its ability to replicate itself. It doesn't always do this perfectly however, and copying errors - mutations - occur. Thanks to mutations over millions of years, DNA changed to the point where it could use the nutrients from another living thing. Again, the benefit is that one system could use another system's energy. At first these "carniverous" life forms just ate the algae-like stuff, but eventually began to eat each other. If this had not happened we would not be here today and the world would just be slime covered rocks.

BTW, I'm agnostic, dyslexic and an insomniac.

I lay awake all night wondering if dog exists.

I like Dolphins.

BTW, I'm agnostic, dyslexic and an insomniac.

I lay awake all night wondering if dog exists.

Ha ha!

An oldie but goodie!

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