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What are your thoughts on this?

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All I needed to hears was "International internet police force with unlimited jurisdiction".

All I got to say :

I lift up my (Gibson) axe unto war

without international standards and cooperation, the assault on art, in nearly all forms (digital) will continue to be under siege.

There's a fine line between police state, facism, and freedom. It should always be under scrutiny, but the line still needs to exist.

Not having a line is far worse.

I thought Chris Kelly made some really good points in his Soapbox. Specifically, that we need to train our own law enforcement personnel to deal with these issues, instead of trying to form an entire new Interpol-style agency. And we need to start educating our law enforcement people, and we need to start valuing and hiring new tech-savvy people who can actually utilize the technology to enforce the laws.

As Mr. Kelly said - a lot of things they're talking about like identity theft and piracy are ALREADY ILLEGAL in this country, but we haven't been able to enforce them well because of our lack of law enforcement capabilities. It's a new era, and law enforcement hasn't caught up with the technology yet.

colors, have you seen craigslist lately? That's the result of community policing, which in my area is that logical and thoughtful ideas get flagged as spam and outright racist rants and propaganda are encouraged.

The court of public opinion is the most idiot-driven mass exodus from logic ever to be known.

People are lazy, self-serving, abusive, and as the internet itself is proof, when people have anonymity combined with little to no risk of personal pain or punishments, they just become exactly that which is wrong with mankind. There's been countless social experiments revolving around online gaming, especially those MMORPG's where interaction and personal gain are measurable game disciplines. The majority of people overall fail.

long story short, people are bastards when they are anonymous AND have any kind of power.

We've witnessed first hand how well self-regulation worked for the banks, and most of corporate america, for that matter. (I know, different topic.. but they are similar)...

Leave that to government (world) employees, who are regulated, watched, and directed by a common set of rules. I don't want any parts of their self-regulation.

colors, have you seen craigslist lately? That's the result of community policing, which in my area is that logical and thoughtful ideas get flagged as spam and outright racist rants and propaganda are encouraged.

The court of public opinion is the most idiot-driven mass exodus from logic ever to be known.

People are lazy, self-serving, abusive, and as the internet itself is proof, when people have anonymity combined with little to no risk of personal pain or punishments, they just become exactly that which is wrong with mankind. There's been countless social experiments revolving around online gaming, especially those MMORPG's where interaction and personal gain are measurable game disciplines. The majority of people overall fail.

long story short, people are bastards when they are anonymous AND have any kind of power.

We've witnessed first hand how well self-regulation worked for the banks, and most of corporate america, for that matter. (I know, different topic.. but they are similar)...

Leave that to government (world) employees, who are regulated, watched, and directed by a common set of rules. I don't want any parts of their self-regulation.

Did you read what I wrote Kramer? Because I don't see how you could have, and then typed that reply. I wasn't making ANY argument for community policing.

Go back and read what I wrote, and go watch Chris Kelly's comments...

I'm not angry, and not trying to start any kind of flame war here with you Kramer, I just don't think you comprehended what I wrote.

colors, have you seen craigslist lately? That's the result of community policing, which in my area is that logical and thoughtful ideas get flagged as spam and outright racist rants and propaganda are encouraged.

The court of public opinion is the most idiot-driven mass exodus from logic ever to be known.

People are lazy, self-serving, abusive, and as the internet itself is proof, when people have anonymity combined with little to no risk of personal pain or punishments, they just become exactly that which is wrong with mankind. There's been countless social experiments revolving around online gaming, especially those MMORPG's where interaction and personal gain are measurable game disciplines. The majority of people overall fail.

long story short, people are bastards when they are anonymous AND have any kind of power.

We've witnessed first hand how well self-regulation worked for the banks, and most of corporate america, for that matter. (I know, different topic.. but they are similar)...

Leave that to government (world) employees, who are regulated, watched, and directed by a common set of rules. I don't want any parts of their self-regulation.

Aye.... Indeed. +1.

Did you read what I wrote Kramer? Because I don't see how you could have, and then typed that reply. I wasn't making ANY argument for community policing.

Go back and read what I wrote, and go watch Chris Kelly's comments...

I'm not angry, and not trying to start any kind of flame war here with you Kramer, I just don't think you comprehended what I wrote.

Sorry, I did, but seemed to have gone on a tangent - I think 'individual' policing by each nation is what's happening now, and I'd say it's not that they are behind the technology, because the majority of children online hanging out in chat rooms are cops...

The domestic crimes are all but ignored as jurisdictions argue over whether the crime happened here or there, and where to prosecute them, where to pick them up, who's responsibility it is, etc.. no room in county lockup- it's full of potheads, so we don't care (attitude from cops), where's the druggies? They only care about drugs and sex crimes, and obviously serious crimes like murder, or any crime committed against a wealthy person or company (outside of digital media, which seems to be emptying out the ocean with a teaspoon...)

The problem is that there's no international force, guidelines, or enforcement. Most fraud (everything from identity theft to digital duplication and distribution of media) comes out of china, korea, vietnam, india, pakistan, argentina, brazil, australia, greece, norway, japan, russia, etc..

So how do american cops chase down Wu Chang Toof in china when we have no extradition treaty with them? Hell even countries we DO have those treaties with exclude white collar and non-federal crimes.

Hummmm, wonder what the job of international internet bladerunner would pay? 007 at your service

Perhaps I,ve spent too much time behind the 8 ball or something.
It,s like sure there are lots of scams running. But then if your dumb enough to pay $20.00 at the Cotton Bowl for a sugar cube someone is selling for acid you deserve to not get a buzz eh.

Stealing music etc aint nothing new. I doubt if there is a man here who has not run a bootleg CD or cassette of his favorite artist thought the ol tape deck.

Anything "international" the "developed countries" are going to pay for. And the developing nations will play both sides of the line to increase profits.

I have never knowingly paid for a bootleg, though I'm sure there are a cpl in my collection that I picked up at some roadside place or a yard sale. I've been given a Stones bootleg LP, & it's lousy.

My wife recently brought home a borrowed pirated video of a recent movie, & I have strongly suggested that she doesn't bring any more into the house. I had no idea how widespread & easily accessible all this sorta thing is until recently.

Yeah, there needs to be stuff doen about it, but how far we should go is the question. The only real way to handle it is not on the local level, but internationally, yet again, the question arises - how much do you hurt the guy making a mix CD for his gf? Once laws start getting written, ppl tend to go overboard, esp here, with this whole "zero tolerance" attitude we seem to have developed for everything.

LOL

Seems the laws that get enforced the most are the ones that make money for the enforcers.

As Jimmy, I believe, said on another thread.
Payola is alive and well.

Don't know about everyone else, but I'd much rather see more cops on the street to keep crime down and the streets safer than my tax money going to hire more cops that just sit at a computer all day when they could be out arresting 'thugs' and the serious crime offenders on the street. A kid on california got busted by the cops for having a picture of him holding a beer, how do they know if he drank it, if its really beer, if its empty, they go and fine him just from that picture yet there's NO proof that he drank it. They have cops that get on facebook now and just look for pics of people so they can bust them when they could be on the streets keeping them safe.