General Music Chat

Yea Craig add away cause I know this is a subject youve thought a lot about.

Great stuff Craig, thanks!

Music is connecting with the Divine

This sound has been called the Divine Utterance in Egyptian religion, the Word in the Bible, Naad, Jyoti and Shruti in the Hindu scriptures, Sraosha in the Zoroastrian scriptures, Kalma in the Muslim scriptures, Sonorous Light in the Buddhist scriptures, Naam or Shabd by the Sikhs, and the Theosophists call it the Voice of Silence. It is the power of the Divine manifesting in creation.

When The Divine decided to create, this thought emanated as two principles: Light and Sound. The current of divine light and music was the cause of all creation. This current flows out from The Divine and also returns to The Divine.

The manifestation of music, through musicians here on the Physical is but a reflection of The Divine's inner music.

This music is like a magnetic current that elevates the soul into the spiritual realms beyond. Once we contact that sound, we are enabled to rise far above from mere body-consciousness. That sound fills us with indescribable ecstasy. We become so intoxicated that every pore of our being cries out in ecstasy.

So, in essence when you drink from music you are drinking directly from the Divine.

OM
Great music moves humans and gods alike, deeply. Music calms the mind and produces a great sense of well being and euphoria. One also gets a similar experience during deep meditation and samadhi.

In the beginning was the Word. Almost all the great religions of the world talk about it. In Patanjali Yoga Darshan , Ishwara is defined as a special Being who is expressed by the original word (Pranav) . What that original word was nobody is sure though in major Yoga commentaries it is called OM.

However, recently scientists have discovered that very soon after the Big Bang, and before anything else appeared in the Universe, primordial sound waves were produced. This could have formed the basis of Brahma Nad , mentioned in the Upanishads.

Sound has, therefore, been with us throughout the evolutionary process and is an integral part of all our activities. Music is a product of sound and is, therefore, a natural outcome of this evolutionary process.

I dunno about that...for sound to exist, does there not need to be an atmospheric medium through it may pass? Therefore, air must exist before sound.

Sound hits us at a very primal level, it is true, but I cannot give it such lofty spiritual attributes. It simply IS.

It is curious that it moves in waves, as light does, though.

I dunno about that...for sound to exist, does there not need to be an atmospheric medium through it may pass? Therefore, air must exist before sound.

Not "air" but molecules.

Molecules have to exist for sound to "travel". So, for what WE understand as sound, it would require molecules bumping into one another for the sound to be carried somewhere. So if there were two spaceships side by side, and a meteor hit one of them. There would be a sound inside the spacecraft that was struck, because the pressure creates a vibration that would be carried through the air INSIDE the spacecraft. But because of the lack of molecules in EMPTY space, the other spaceship would hear nothing. There would be no molecules bumping into each other in the space IN BETWEEN the two spacecraft, to carry that sound from one to the other.



That doesn't mean there was no sound made from the big bang or the creation of the universe. On the contrary, it is likely that there WAS sound present, as the photons were so dense, they behaved as a gas, allowing waves, and therefore "sound" to travel and move them further. As the universe expanded, the photons stopped behaving as a gas, and concentrations of matter occurred, allowing the formation of galaxies.

Here is what one professor proposed that the "sound" would have sounded like, based on some mathematical formulas...

http://staff.washington.edu/seymour/altvw104.html


Toward the end of the article are some WAV files of the sound he generated using the mathematical formulas. He actually wrote the article first and had published it online, when a young elementary school student had his mom contact the professor, wondering if anyone had "recorded" the sound of the Big Bang. LOL - But this question intrigued him for several days, and he went about trying to REPRODUCE the sound that could have occurred. It is all postulations, but interesting nonetheless.

Sound hits us at a very primal level, it is true, but I cannot give it such lofty spiritual attributes. It simply IS.

Nothing that "is" - "simply" is.

"IS" is not "simple".

To "BE"... to EXIST is a miraculous and fragile proposition, as well as a constant emotionally charged pursuit to maintain that "IS". The fight for life, plays out whether from the basic pursuit of food and water, or the "fight or flight" syndrome that plays out when humans or animals are cornered. To the emotions of birth, love, parenthood, survival, war, etc...

"IF" we are spiritual beings. There is NOTHING SIMPLE or "nonspiritual" about how ANYTHING affects us, and therefore moves us emotionally and affects us spiritually. Accepting the first premise, that we ARE spiritual beings, then how could things that affect us spiritually, not sometimes have spiritual causes? Is it possible that things of a spiritual nature can only be "resultant" and not "causal" in nature?

"IF" there is no such thing as spirituality however, then it may be more logical to propose that something just "IS" without purpose or meaning.

It is curious that it moves in waves, as light does, though.

God is mathematical.

What I find interesting, is not that they are both waves, but how similar MATHEMATICALLY they are, having similar numbers found prominently in BOTH.

SOUND WAVES:

Western Music uses scales, of which there are 7 unique notes (the 8th is an octave above the first, but the same note... i.e "c" or "e")

And a triad, which is one of the most basic and common chord structures, uses 3 notes. So 7 and 3 figure prominently.

LIGHT WAVES:

There are 7 basic colors in the spectrum. Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Indigo Violet. And there are 3 Primary colors. Again... 7 and 3 are prominent numbers.

Sure, but those rules of music have been somewhat arbitrarilly written, if you should compare ours to the eastern 1/4 tone stuff. Therefore, those rules are not absolute, therefore perhaps not written by a creator.

I also note that the 3 primary colors are different between light & solid.

I also note that the 3 primary colors are different between light & solid.

What I think is very interesting in the DIFFERENCE between light and solid "colors" is that when you mix ALL the colors of a solid, such as "paint" the result is "black", whereas when you mix all the colors of light, the result is "white".

Light is fascinating. Nothing can travel faster than light. Unlike sound, light waves can travel through space.

Light is the purest form in the physical world.

And for me, it is related to the difference between "spiritual existence" and "physical existence".

The natural state of the spiritual world, is LIGHT.

The natural state of the physical world is DARKNESS.

The spiritual world is eternal, Nothing decays.

The physical world, according to the 4th law of thermodynamics, is in a constant state of change and decay. We are born and immediately begin to die, here. Whereas there is no such thing as "death" (regarding the state of existence) in the spiritual world.

The spiritual world and physical world are POLAR OPPOSITES in many ways.

There are important reasons for this, but I'll leave it at that for now.



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I had an idea for a double concept album back in the early 90's.

The 2 albums titles were

1. The presence of all color
2. The absence of all color

In light the presence of all color is white

In pigment the absence of all color is white

My stage name (just a recording name really) was then... white. In my mind in meant the presence of all colors and the absence of all racism.

I had an idea for a double concept album back in the early 90's.

The 2 albums titles were

1. The presence of all color
2. The absence of all color

In light the presence of all color is white

In pigment the absence of all color is white

My stage name (just a recording name really) was then... white. In my mind in meant the presence of all colors and the absence of all racism.

Nice!

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Great stuff everybody!
Keep in mind that as far as Light is concerned, what we are able to see is equivalent to what we can hear, 20Hz - 20Khz is our range, though we know that sound waves exist way above as well as below (how Hermetic! "As above, so below") so it is also true with Light waves, what we can see is not close to what is available.

Speaking of Light . . . can anyone tell me who the 'Light Bringer' is? LOL!!

Also of interest might be this article on the Primordial Vibration - http://www.beautyinmusic.com/misc_pages ... g_note.htm

There was a time when I thought that drawing was the highest form of art....

then I took up Rock & Roll!

that was before I designed an built two houses.

Now I believe that Architecture is the highest form of art, everything else is just for fun!

HJ

PS...
Neanderpaul is right about our creativity being influenced by our exposure to the work of others and personal experiences.

When all is said and done...

"We stand on the shoulders of giants."

Having read that I think I will listen, again, to HowlinJ's "come on to me" in his profile. If you haven't I suggest you do!

Wow, there's a lot of deep philosophy about this topic. I thought Barry Manilow was music, but I guess I'm mistaken. In all seriosity I think it's something a little simpler. I write songs from varying angles. Sometimes I think of the music first. Where it comes from I have no idea. I have been listening to and playing music for so long I can't begin to comprehend how I come up with ideas, they just happen. Sometimes I think of words first and then the music second. Then I work out my parts first (bass and vocals), then show it to the band. I have no idea what the other band members should play, they have to create something. Good musicians always come up with something interesting. Then we try the song. If it sounds good we have music. If it sounds like crap we don't. That's about it in a nutshell...

For me is like talking. I compose mainly instrumental music, I must say.

After you learn the language it comes naturaly. you do not think about what you speak, right?

Is those things that happens without your knowledge.

Everybody can do, it is justa matter of training.

I'm sure the term "third eye" is familiar to most if not all, how about a third ear? The third eye, if I understand it correctly, lets a person see a slice of reality not visible to the normal senses. I think the third eye is the one you use while dreaming. Do you dream in color? I bet many don't know...I do, I never thought about it much until I saw the question in an article I read once. So I started paying attention. Yep, I do dream in color. Once I thought about it I already knew that, since an unusually vivid dream was focused on a man with blue skin many years ago.

So does your third ear pick up what's floating around out there somewhere? Same as Edgar Cayce's third eye could see a person 1000 miles away and see the solution to their medical problems, maybe your third ear is tuned in to the well of creative energy that's just there for us to use, if we can open our minds to it.

I've seen speculation that artistic people are often also more likely to have psychic abilities. Not just musicians, all artists. Maybe I should say creative individuals, because it's not limited to art and music. How else did Edison come up with the light bulb? Einstein's many scientific theories, some of which are only recently being proven by the Hubble telescope. Pet Rocks even.

An idea.

Suddenly it's just there, and if you'll think about it a lot of time it happens while you are not consciously thinking about anything in particular, like when you're in the shower. Billy Joel stated in an interview that some of his songs came straight out of his dreams. He would wake up, walk over to the piano and start playing a song he dreamed minutes earlier, sometimes even the lyrics were already there. All he had to do is remember it...As a machinist, I would occasionally have problems running parts that were difficult to figure out, and lying in bed almost asleep a solution would pop into my head out of nowhere. On more than one occasion it took me another two hours to go to sleep.

Music is the same, usually when I write (I'm far from a prolific writer, by the way) I'm not thinking about anything, daydreaming or sitting there just doodling on a guitar. That's exactly how "Last Train" happened. Doodling on guitar, my mind basically idle, and the chord progression gradually fell into place, I thought of one line of lyrics, and 20 minutes later it was a completed song. Very unusual, lyrics usually are almost impossible for me, I just can;'t think of anything that sounds good. Maybe I'm thinking too hard???


OK I'm rambling again...somebody tell me to shut up...

Hmmm, the Third Eye refers to the Ajna chakra above and between the eyes, it alludes to enlightenment, not really 'physically' seeing anything extraordinary.

As for the dreams and music thing, my earlier post on this thread mentioned the Devachan.

Third Ear? I like it!