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We (as a society) are gravely sick, and getting worse.


Watchin an hour of TV is all you need do to determine that as a fact.

Keeping americans incarcerated is profitable, period. And we the taxpayer are paying CEO's and executives to do it.

We (as a society) are gravely sick, and getting worse. We've accepted a police state as normal.

Go visit a jail sometime.

We're not exactly stashing Nobel Lariats there.

I work for a county government. I get to visit our jail quite frequently, and the juvenile detention center. These people are not the cream of the crop, let's put it that way.

I'm sure there is some corruption in regards to jail contracts and such, as there is in all things it seems. But the people who actually get put into the jail? They broke the law, and usually repeatedly before they get put into jail. You, Kramer, are making it sound like we live in 1940's Berlin and we've got the SS just running around locking people up because it's "profitable".

That's about as far from the truth as possible. We lock up the people who break the law, who do it repeatedly, who show poor decision making skills repeatedly; who show they cannot benefit society in any way; who show a contempt for their fellow man and woman; who show contempt for the property of others.

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I disagree mearly with this one statement. And I feel it is an important enough point to clarify from my perspective

cannot benefit society in any way;
Will not benefit society in any way.
They live like cockroaches by choice.

CF - You are seeing them in that particular institution, with its own rules of behavior.

You are not seeing them as they acted when they were free.

Being "tough," or "sneaky," or to act like you have an attitude, is expected in there. Many most likely did NOT act like that on the outside. It's now become a defense mechanism, learned through trial & error, for many. I can well imagine that, should they act like respectable people in jail, they would be destroyed.

You may argue that jail has given them the freedom to act as they truly are, & you may be right, I dunno. All I know is that they most likely need to fit in, & fitting in prolly means acting a certain way.

I'd say that most of the casual drug users that are arrested & placed into those insitutions most likely have to make some HUGE adjustments just to get by with their own skin intact. And I really doubt that those ppl acted the same on the outside as they do in. And when they were out there, working their jobs, raising their families, & being, in many many cases, productive members of society, I also doubt that they lived like cockroaches. Their new digs cause that, imho.

( those ) who show a contempt for their fellow man and woman; who show contempt for the property of others.

I speak of theaves, robbers, rapist, murderes, those whom prey on the citizens who try to conduct their lives by some decent code of behaviors, not some poor bastard that got caught with a bag of grass on a hunting trip and was charged with a felony.

No one, nor no situation of life forced them to their actions.
They and they alone are responsible for their vile actions against their fellow man and should be held strictly accountable by society. As well as segregated totally from the "non violent offender" population.

Keeping americans incarcerated is profitable, period. And we the taxpayer are paying CEO's and executives to do it.

We (as a society) are gravely sick, and getting worse. We've accepted a police state as normal.

Go visit a jail sometime.

We're not exactly stashing Nobel Lariats there.

I work for a county government. I get to visit our jail quite frequently, and the juvenile detention center. These people are not the cream of the crop, let's put it that way.

I'm sure there is some corruption in regards to jail contracts and such, as there is in all things it seems. But the people who actually get put into the jail? They broke the law, and usually repeatedly before they get put into jail. You, Kramer, are making it sound like we live in 1940's Berlin and we've got the SS just running around locking people up because it's "profitable".

That's about as far from the truth as possible. We lock up the people who break the law, who do it repeatedly, who show poor decision making skills repeatedly; who show they cannot benefit society in any way; who show a contempt for their fellow man and woman; who show contempt for the property of others.

True, but when you factor in all the marijuana buyers and small time dealers, and other non-violent misdemeanors .. there's a LOT of people who shouldn't be there... but hey, they look like criminals to you, because we've successfully turned many of them into career criminals.. we should be proud, I guess?

A Reuters report from Sao Paulo, Brazil, tells of a judge inspecting a local prison who found nothing in one watchtower but a straw scarecrow, dressed in a guards' uniform, rifle in arms "guarding" 720 prisoners.

Hey bob! Isn't that how we protect the Mexican border?

heh heh heh

I know when civilization falls, I am moving to TX. At least I know Sans and the rest of the representative population can shoot proficiently.

A Reuters report from Sao Paulo, Brazil, tells of a judge inspecting a local prison who found nothing in one watchtower but a straw scarecrow, dressed in a guards' uniform, rifle in arms "guarding" 720 prisoners.

Hey bob! Isn't that how we protect the Mexican border?

heh heh heh

Do we PROTECT the border at all?

[quote="Kramerguy"

True, but when you factor in all the marijuana buyers and small time dealers, and other non-violent misdemeanors .. there's a LOT of people who shouldn't be there... but hey, they look like criminals to you, because we've successfully turned many of them into career criminals.. we should be proud, I guess?[/quote]

Shouldn't be there? What planet are you on? If you commit a crime and get caught, and the punishment is jail time, then you go to jail. It's not a hard concept to understand. If you don't like the punishment, then don't do the crime.

Or work to change the law if you really believe that a particular action shouldn't be a crime.


But until then, obey it. I have ZERO sympathy for people who break the law and go to jail. I don't care if it's a violent or non-violent crime. You break the law, pay the price. If you can't hack it, don't break the law. It's pretty damn simple. If you're too stupid to understand the law, or unwilling to follow it, and the penalty is jail time, then you belong in a jail. Period.

I know when civilization falls, I am moving to TX. At least I know Sans and the rest of the representative population can shoot proficiently.

And they might secede from the rest of the United States. (Rebirth of the Lone Star Republic?)

I think I will run for president................................................ of TEXAS.
Or maybe I'll just run and get me A Presidente Margarita from Chillies.

Yumm !!

yet another pet peeve lol, I got a lot of them.

Few, if any of the state prisons are even run by the state (of PA) anymore.

Most are run by Wackenhut. Yeah, sounds like a chocolate factory or something wonka wonka..

The sad reality is that since 1985, the per capita incarceration rate of americans has doubled.. And guess who lobbies our politicians for more mandatory minimum sentencing? Who lobbys against marajuana law reform? Yep.. wackenhut.

You will see in the new MM movie about capitalism how two PA judges SHUT DOWN state run juvenile detention centers, shipping the kids off to medium security wachenhut centers, and how those judges got MILLIONS from lobbyists for it.

Criminals are now corporate widgets. All they care about is units of measurment + days incarcerated = profit.

Keeping americans incarcerated is profitable, period. And we the taxpayer are paying CEO's and executives to do it.

We (as a society) are gravely sick, and getting worse. We've accepted a police state as normal.

I hadn't thought of this angle. Interesting.. Why am I not surprised? ack.

Keeping americans incarcerated is profitable, period. And we the taxpayer are paying CEO's and executives to do it.

We (as a society) are gravely sick, and getting worse. We've accepted a police state as normal.

Go visit a jail sometime.

We're not exactly stashing Nobel Lariats there.

I work for a county government. I get to visit our jail quite frequently, and the juvenile detention center. These people are not the cream of the crop, let's put it that way.

I'm sure there is some corruption in regards to jail contracts and such, as there is in all things it seems. But the people who actually get put into the jail? They broke the law, and usually repeatedly before they get put into jail. You, Kramer, are making it sound like we live in 1940's Berlin and we've got the SS just running around locking people up because it's "profitable".

That's about as far from the truth as possible. We lock up the people who break the law, who do it repeatedly, who show poor decision making skills repeatedly; who show they cannot benefit society in any way; who show a contempt for their fellow man and woman; who show contempt for the property of others.

hmm, feel the need to point out that prisons gave up on reforming criminals long ago... you go in there and you better get mean... or you'll get a tender hinder... my point is you can't necc draw the conclusion that the folks there are all losers, cause throw you in there and we'll see what kind of a 'nice guy' comes out, not to mention, the more mean you get the more unintelligent you look. I think you throw avg joe in there and he comes out looking like an idiot to me... but lets not pass judgment so quick. once u r in the system it's a long crawl out - not saying it isn't possible, but fairly unlikely.

furthermore, you toss in a guy for a 'mistake' and you spit back out a guy who has learned a new way of life. I bet there's something each and every one of us does that could land any one of us in there for 30 days... not to mention the wrongful convictions...

I think overall kramer points out the danger of a commercialized prison system... and IMO it's a very valid concern...

hmm, feel the need to point out that prisons gave up on reforming criminals long ago... you go in there and you better get mean... or you'll get a tender hinder... my point is you can't necc draw the conclusion that the folks there are all losers, cause throw you in there and we'll see what kind of a 'nice guy' comes out,

Everyone who commented on what I wrote just completely, totally missed the point.

The point is that you gotta do something wrong IN THE FIRST PLACE to even get thrown in jail. The cops don't just walk around picking people off the street and saying, "It's your turn". There's a system in place. You gotta get through a booking, multiple court dates, a judge and a jury before you end up in jail.

And it all starts the same way - with a stupid decision.

I don't care what people are like when they're in jail. Yes, our system gave up trying to reform people a long time ago. I have no idea if it's worth the effort or not.

What I know is you gotta screw up pretty seriously to get thrown in jail. You gotta make some bad decisions.