General Music Chat

Mike, if you want me to admit there is always the worst case scenario and there is actual risk of my family losing me, then yes, I admit, they could try to put me on trial for my beliefs, hell, every other person who stood firm for their beliefs in history seems to be persecuted, prosecuted, then executed. So yes, there is the possibility that my family is at risk.

However, I choose to have faith that this country has not de-evolved to the point that the police have nothing better to do that come breaking down my door to take me in on the off chance that I slipped up and left part of my 1/2 oz or less of marijuana laying around. My home and my office are drug free zones, I commune with my god on his land which according to the law is still public domain. I do not even keep my stash on my property for fear of asset forfeiture laws. I do everything humanly possible to lead a good life and not break any other laws, and truly wish I didn't have to break any laws to practice my religion. Until the government of the US decides to do the right thing by marijuana, I will have to continue to practice my faith in the shadows. I have written to my congress reps, senators, presidents, people in charge of the DEA...I have written to NIDA to obtain it legally through them, they have all rejected me. I have exhausted every legal resource I have to be allowed the same priveleges as any other religion in the US, including those who use housca tea in their religions, which is legally protected. So I suppose, based on precident in this country, one day I will have to stand before a court and use those precidents to keep myself out of trouble, but I do still believe the basic founding principles are in place in this country and freedom of religion still exists. It exists for native americans using peyote and mushrooms to make tea, I believe it exists for me. With all the meth and pills in this land, if they take my children for my ticketable amount of marijuana and my personal beliefs, I believe that my fellow citizens will stand with me. However, I would leave the children in the custody of my wife and move to a hotel until that day in court came if I had to so my childrens lives would continue mostly uninterrupted. You need to hear me admit there is a risk, yes, then, i admit it. But as a responsible adult I do more than most to ensure the day doesn't come. If it does, I am prepared to defend my rights, and I would hope that you would stand behind me in that battle even if you don't agree with my beliefs, because a case like that affects everyone's right to practice their faith.

Mike, if you want me to admit there is always the worst case scenario and there is actual risk of my family losing me, then yes, I admit, they could try to put me on trial for my beliefs, hell, every other person who stood firm for their beliefs in history seems to be persecuted, prosecuted, then executed. So yes, there is the possibility that my family is at risk.

However, I choose to have faith that this country has not de-evolved to the point that the police have nothing better to do that come breaking down my door to take me in on the off chance that I slipped up and left part of my 1/2 oz or less of marijuana laying around. My home and my office are drug free zones, I commune with my god on his land which according to the law is still public domain. I do not even keep my stash on my property for fear of asset forfeiture laws. I do everything humanly possible to lead a good life and not break any other laws, and truly wish I didn't have to break any laws to practice my religion. Until the government of the US decides to do the right thing by marijuana, I will have to continue to practice my faith in the shadows. I have written to my congress reps, senators, presidents, people in charge of the DEA...I have written to NIDA to obtain it legally through them, they have all rejected me. I have exhausted every legal resource I have to be allowed the same priveleges as any other religion in the US, including those who use housca tea in their religions, which is legally protected. So I suppose, based on precident in this country, one day I will have to stand before a court and use those precidents to keep myself out of trouble, but I do still believe the basic founding principles are in place in this country and freedom of religion still exists. It exists for native americans using peyote and mushrooms to make tea, I believe it exists for me. With all the meth and pills in this land, if they take my children for my ticketable amount of marijuana and my personal beliefs, I believe that my fellow citizens will stand with me. However, I would leave the children in the custody of my wife and move to a hotel until that day in court came if I had to so my childrens lives would continue mostly uninterrupted. You need to hear me admit there is a risk, yes, then, i admit it. But as a responsible adult I do more than most to ensure the day doesn't come. If it does, I am prepared to defend my rights, and I would hope that you would stand behind me in that battle even if you don't agree with my beliefs, because a case like that affects everyone's right to practice their faith.

now that's the mark of a reasonable man. thanks for that.
"You need to hear me admit there is a risk" I prefer to think you needed to hear yourself, maybe I needed to hear you hearing yourself... either way.
Oh, I would def be on your side of that argument for the most part. On the one hand if you break the law knowing the consequence u have to pay... but you know I don't believe our tax dollars s/b wasted going after pot users because it's been my experience that they are generally non violent and non-criminal (other than their illegal pot use). I say we focus on the most damaging crime agent that has gone unchecked for years: white collar.

Oh I am self-appointed "king of the lashers". lol

"Head Troll Here"

Where's my crown, bitch! lol

now that's the mark of a reasonable man. thanks for that.
"You need to hear me admit there is a risk" I prefer to think you needed to hear yourself, maybe I needed to hear you hearing yourself... either way.
Oh, I would def be on your side of that argument for the most part. On the one hand if you break the law knowing the consequence u have to pay... but you know I don't believe our tax dollars s/b wasted going after pot users because it's been my experience that they are generally non violent and non-criminal (other than their illegal pot use). I say we focus on the most damaging crime agent that has gone unchecked for years: white collar.

It appears we can all find common ground, I agree that if you do a crime you should be willing to pay the price, and I certainly am...however, I have faith in my fellow americans and believe that the general consensus is still religious freedom for all, so am willing to take that minimal risk (100 dollar fine for simple possession) if I am charged with a crime any more significant than that, then there is more scary issues at hand in this country...I don't defend any pothead who chooses to break any other law than personal use or distribution of ONLY marijuana. I do not use dealers who sell anything else, I also require my dealers be legitimate citizens who only share what they grow at what I consider a reasonable price for their risk. These dealers don't use guns and are willing to stand against the rediculous law if tested in court and to do the time if they lose.

My biggest pet peeve is when people assume that just because we choose to step a little outside the law (and honestly, everyone does it in some form or another, sometimes without knowlege, but ignorance of the law is no defense) we are degenerates in all aspects of our lives. That is not only an unfair assesment of us, it is done without, in most cases, any iota of respect for anything in our lives. We could find a cure for cancer (and technically we did, I wish they'd legalize so pharmacutical companies COULD start to work with it to see just how many things it can cure)and so much more, create jobs, divert funds, etc, all by legalizing what we are being persecuted for, so We choose civil disobedience. We use this illegal substance, we do it carefully cause none of us are in any hurry to fight the fight, we prefer peace to battle, but we don't deny it. I openly state my beliefs. We are non-violent, we are contributing members of society, and we are responsible parents because in that age old fashion of do as I say, not as I do. And I think we are more responsible in that aspect because we dont do it in front of our children. I remember I used to "fetch" the beers for the relatives when I was a kid. I remember a keg party with my father one time when I was about 8, I remember getting about 3/4 of the way thru that solo cup full of draft, but don't remember much beyond that from that day, so I am even more responsible than I was taught. Not all of us are ignorant, but I do discuss all things openly with my kids, I tell them I don't want them drinking at parties, but if they do, I want them to know they can call me. I tell them the dangers associated with different drugs, and tend not to discuss marijuana so much with them, if they ask, I tell them just because its safer than anything else, it doesn't make it ok for thier young brains and bodies, there is not now and never will be research on the effects on adolescents, and I am ok with that, lets not find out, the immature mind is not able to find enlightenment anyway. Unless its a medical situation and there is a legitimate need and a doctors prescription.

Oh I am self-appointed "king of the lashers". lol

"Head Troll Here"

Where's my crown, bitch! lol

Mockery oft is the sign of a feeble mind.

There is also a distinction between simple intoxicants, or inebriants, & the much more powerful hallucinogens. Neither should be used on a daily basis, quite frankly. There are obvious way different reasons for the use of either, as well.

Would you say that a guy who simply must drink every night just to get a little tipsy in order to be happy, has a problem, Mike? I would.

You told me earlier nothing about the acid reflux, so you can surely see my confusion on that issue. You hinted that you were using to treat your self-diagnosed ADHD. Thus, from the info I had, I could only assume that you were misusing.

From what you've told me about how you feel without the pot, though, I still must come to the conclusion that you aren't using responsibly. If you feel lousy without it, there's a reason, cuz there is very little in this world that we really must have on a daily basis to get by, comfortably. If it's affecting you when you stop taking it, that's a strong indication that something is amiss, tat there are side efects that should be acknowledged, & perhaps a different treatment or cure should be sought ouut for the acid reflux. They're out there, & it ain't all the lil purple pill or whatever - natural complete CURES work better than constant TREATMENTS, imho.

Your vehement reactions to my "nothing personal" remark also shows a sort of addictive presonality trait, Mike. If you cannot accept the opinions of others without lashing out on your favorite subject, you end up sounding like a junkie. Your use or no-use makes no difference whatever to me.

I'm not going to pretend that I'm perfect, or that I know a whole lot, for that matter. But I do have some limited knowledge in the area of entheogens & their use. The only culture that I know of that encourages daily use of the weed is the Rastafarians. I'm not gonna judge whether they're right or wrong, but I will say that island life perhaps needs more escape from the drudgery than ours does.

There is also a distinction between simple intoxicants, or inebriants, & the much more powerful hallucinogens. Neither should be used on a daily basis, quite frankly. There are obvious way different reasons for the use of either, as well.

Would you say that a guy who simply must drink every night just to get a little tipsy in order to be happy, has a problem, Mike? I would.

You told me earlier nothing about the acid reflux, so you can surely see my confusion on that issue. You hinted that you were using to treat your self-diagnosed ADHD. Thus, from the info I had, I could only assume that you were misusing.

From what you've told me about how you feel without the pot, though, I still must come to the conclusion that you aren't using responsibly. If you feel lousy without it, there's a reason, cuz there is very little in this world that we really must have on a daily basis to get by, comfortably. If it's affecting you when you stop taking it, that's a strong indication that something is amiss.

I don't deny that when I don't use my medicine my acid reflux comes back, I am very hyperactive, and generally even more annoying than when I'm taking it, but it is not like drinking...I prefer the small doses because they don't cause the "high" effect (like any medication a tolerance builds up to a certain degree). I no longer get the high effect from my normal medicinal or spiritual dosage, I simply get pain relief and relaxation. I only mentioned the hyperactivity as one example at first, only because I didn't want to shell out all my medical history, but now you have insight. The difference between me and the addict you refer to, even the guy who only needs to drink a little every night to get tipsy is I am not chasing the buzz, the only thing I miss when I miss a dose is the pain relief. As I said before, when I dont have the extra money I dont get it. Its not comfortable having heartburn after meals, but I am never going back to nexium, the little purple pill that made my ass leak...if i take too much in my dosage of marijuana, then i might get the high, and that is a side effect I can live with.

So, if I'm not using it for anything more than the prescription purposes, am I an addict? Should I go to jail for it? Or should the billions of dollars being spent to fight it every year be diverted to much more dangerous, and legal, substances?

YOU'RE A DOUCHEBAG THAT DOESN'T PLAY ANYTHING NOR HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MUSIC... LIKE I SAID BEORE, WASTE-O-SPERM, GET THE FUK OFF AND GO BACK TO YOUR ANAL, GERBIL RETRIEVAL SITE!

YOU'RE A DOUCHEBAG THAT DOESN'T PLAY ANYTHING NOR HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MUSIC... LIKE I SAID BEORE, WASTE-O-SPERM, GET THE FUK OFF AND GO BACK TO YOUR ANAL, GERBIL RETRIEVAL SITE!

You are not welcome here, hater

OH... OK... SORRY I'LL GET MY COAT...NOT!

:lol: OH... OK... SORRY I'LL GET MY COAT...NOT!

I hope you spend alot of time in jail, you seem like the deserving type

The only thing I will add is that if Im doing something that I wouldnt do in front of my children or dont want them to do, Why should I do it? Thats become my way of looking at things in my life. And I am far from perfect on this, so I dont want to judge anyone, cause I am a sinner.

I only want to say, that this comment is not even practical. Everything else you said was insightful, but there are MANY things adults do that they would not do in front of their children because they don't want their children doing them, drugs, sex, watch certain movies, etc. But if we all show each other mutual respect and openly debate without sarcasm and vicious, unnecessary attacks, then we are in the right, no matter what our beliefs, I think we can all agree that acceptance along with open, friendly debate is always a better solution to differences. whether you worship god, buddha, mohhamed, the sun, or a head of lettuce, you have the right to do so, and I applaud your ferver, but I always try to remember that anyone who is 100% SURE they are right is usually wrong, I don't claim to be sure I am right, how could I...the only way we will all know for sure is when we die

Rev its practical to me, and I work at this every day, cause in spite of any success's, all the money Ive made, all the places Ive gone, all the friends Ive made, the only Legacy that I will leave behind is the character that my kids carry on when Im gone. I would sure hate for them to find out at some point that I was living some sort of lie.

So you don't have sex? Or you have sex in front of your children? Because by your logic, that would be the only way you would, you claim to not do anything out of their view that you wouldn't do in front of them? You know, masturbating in front of your children could be a sin too...

Just kidding, I know the gist of what you're saying, but the reason I said the statement was impractical is because you WOULDN'T have sex in front of your children...if you did, I think that'd be a little worse on them than seeing you smoke a joint.

:lol: OH... OK... SORRY I'LL GET MY COAT...NOT!

I hope you spend alot of time in jail, you seem like the deserving type

Sorry freakazoid.... Unlike you, I take no pleasure in takin' it up the ass!

Like I stated before.... Instead of being a tough retard behind the keyboard, Come on down and say this sh¡t to my face... gimme a reason to go to jail.... it'd be worth it to pummel a dickless wonder such as yourself!

:lol: OH... OK... SORRY I'LL GET MY COAT...NOT!

I hope you spend alot of time in jail, you seem like the deserving type

Spoken like a true man of the cloth? You call yourself a "Rev?"

Hey! He's a "guest,"now!

yay

So when during this kick-fest did you realize the chap was already dead? lol