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Well, since you found it necessary to repeat this post on another thread, I find myself compelled to repeat my response in this one -

For me, it's an attack of too many rhythms between the piano, drums, guitar, etc, to get very much enjoyment out of it. The constant repitition of the piano parts gets old. This is your basic formula computerized sh*t that never made me "feel" much of anything but the desire to turn it off, but to each his own, I guess.

Anyone can do this. Take a basic run on any given instrument, figure out a basic chord progression & alter the same run you originally wrote & apply it to the chords. BORING with a capital "B-O-R-I-N-G!" Now drop in some other instruments with some really cool altered rhythms into it, & it STILL doesn't go anywhere! WOW!

There isn't any real lead instrument, or lead melody. It's an exercise in basic rhythms, & that's all it ever can be.

If you want to WRITE, you need to make it MUCH more interesting, for me. Instead of just adding stuff to the original phrase, you need to find a melody, & let it flow somewhere else once in awhile. If you find your original melodic progression becoming too long &/or repetitive, then your work needs to move in a new direction, be it a bridge or several actual separate movements. Then you can tie it all up with a neat little bow by returning to your original melody or not, depending upon the needs of the particular piece.

I found that I couldn't get through the entire piece, here, & I clicked off due to boredom & an overall lack of interest after about a minute & a half. Since this was the 1st thing offered, I fully expected the rest to be more of the same, so I wasn't interested enough to even try out any of the rest. I wouldn't even use this thing as filler on a CD, unless it was a VERY short segue from one REAL piece of music to another. That, imho, is about all it's good for.

- To take it a step further, if you want to call yourself a "composer," that's fine, but have you written this out in notation? Can you communicate your ideas to real musicians who CAN play this stuff, or are you simply using garageband or some other sampling program to throw crap together? That, my fine writer friend, does not a composer make.

Composition requires a good knowledge of music, even if you don't play an instrument. I'm not seeing that from you.

I'm afraid that you may be barking up the wrong tree, if you can't play anything or write anything truly unique. You're trying to get into a biz that's very demanding of a great number of resources, & I fear that you may not have nearly enough of them to be able to contribute in a productive way.

Learn what there is to know about music before you call yourself a "composer." You haven't written anything if all you've done is cut & paste other ppl's samples together in a "new" way. It's junk.

Sorry if I'm coming off as harsh, but I call it like I see it. As a "musician," & a "real" songwriter, I see what you have as being less than nothing. It seems to be stolen snippets of other ppl's playing that are stuck together. That isn't "art." It certainly isn't "composition." All I can call it is junk.

Learn about these things before you jump in blindly. I'd no more call you a composer than I'd call you an astronaut or a brain surgeon.

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But RULES DO NOT APPLY TO MUSIC

. . . a stick hitting a glass bottle, it's music . . .
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my boyfriend's brother tapping either on his chest or the laptop all day long imitating death metal beats ... you can't tell me that's not music.

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Huh.
That's not music.
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Rules do indeed apply to music, otherwise you could call any sound music.
That's what you're trying to do; - but we can't just change definitions to fit our own ideas.
If you want to make a noise and call it something - you'd have to call it something else.
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The rules in music are:
> Rhythm
> Melody
> harmony
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A stick hitting a glass bottle is only one note.
Beating your chest is only rhythm.
A car acident is a bunch of notes - but no rhythm.
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The last component of music is that it should be pleasing to listen to.
A bottling machine in a factory could have all the componebts of music - but it's not pleasing to listen to.
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The 'rules' of music are instinctive to most people.
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Other folks can study music, and learn to create pleasing sounds.
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If one doesn't have an instinctive grasp of music, (playing by ear), or if failing that, one doesn't invest time actually learning about what music truly is - then there will be a miniscule audience for whatever we record.

The rules in music are:
> Rhythm
> Melody
> harmony

Those are "rules". They're just components. Pieces you can, or cannot, use to create music.

The creation of music isn't about following or not following "rules". It's about self expression.

Some people express themselves through music in a way that connects with other listeners, and this is a wonderful thing. It can create a real great shared experience.

Some people express themselves through music in a way that is painful for other listeners...

SKH - I still maintain that cutting & pasting other ppl's sampled work doesn't make you either a "composer" or a "writer," & though what you've completed may be called a form of "music," if you will, in no way is it creative. Yes, anyone CAN do it. It requires no effort, no creativity, & no knowledge of anything musical at all.

"Creating" midi music is something else entirely. It entails using your own mind, your own samples, your own work, NOT someone else's.

If you think this is an elitist view, I can live with that. But I wouldn't personally post anything on a music forum that I didn't either write or play, but simply chose samples & pasted them together. It may be "music" by the strictest sense of the word, but it isn't what we, as musicians & song-writers, strive to achieve.

I will continue to try to dissuade ppl from going this route, & encourage them to work on becoming musicians & composers, because I believe it to be the right thing to do, buth for the individuals involved, & for the art form of music.


Oh, & btw - when I see someone working on MUSIC, I encourage them. When I see this form of plagiarism, I DIScourage it. I would do the same for you, if I saw you stealing other ppl's work & calling it your own composition. It would be the right thing to do.

Have a nice day. Write your own stuff.

SKH, philbymon just told it straight. He encourages people in their credible endeavors.

So when I disect a piece I am working on am I decomposing?

Rofl

Technically, yes there are rules in music but music is far too subjective to apply all of the rules all of the time. Basically, any sound could be interpreted by someone as music whether it is rhythmic, melodic, harmonic or not.
Rules, as they say are made to be broken and there are plenty of examples throughout history where rules have been broken. That is evolution.
Alternately, there are many examples of so-called music right now, that I personally don't consider to be musical and that is why I don't listen to it.

Technically, yes there are rules in music but music is far too subjective to apply all of the rules all of the time. Basically, any sound could be interpreted by someone as music whether it is rhythmic, melodic, harmonic or not.
Rules, as they say are made to be broken and there are plenty of examples throughout history where rules have been broken. That is evolution.
Alternately, there are many examples of so-called music right now, that I personally don't consider to be musical and that is why I don't listen to it.

These are still rules that you are working within to make music, even free form jazz has rules ... the more you break the rules, the more the sound moves from music to noise ....

These are still rules that you are working within to make music, even free form jazz has rules ... the more you break the rules, the more the sound moves from music to noise .... whether intentional or by accident....

too subjective

These are still rules that you are working within to make music, even free form jazz has rules ... the more you break the rules, the more the sound moves from music to noise ....

Subjectivity is/was the key to my post Breaking the rules is okay as long as you know them to begin with and everyone in the band breaks them together and it is planned. Also, there are many different types of music and many have different rules. For example, middle eastern music uses a lot of odd timing that a good ole' country bumpkin would say was out of time. But technically you could write a beer-drinking-bar-brawlin' country song in 9/8 even though the C&W listener would think it sounded like crap cause they couldn't line dance to it.

I see your from the Loops! I lived there from '69 to '89 but live in PG now. I was just looking at your profile. If you've been in Kamloops for a long time, we probably know some of the same people.

Cheers

I'm in Merritt actually moved here in 86.

I'm played with Jim Cochran (guitar), Raul Alcantara (drums) every now a then ... they've been in the Loop's music scene for a long time. Are kids and grandkids live in PG. We are up that way 3 times a year but I've never brought my keys up

I'm in Merritt actually moved here in 86.

I'm played with Jim Cochran (guitar), Raul Alcantara (drums) every now a then ... they've been in the Loop's music scene for a long time. Are kids and grandkids live in PG. We are up that way 3 times a year but I've never brought my keys up

Cool, I've met Jim a few times. I wouldn't recognize him if I saw him without an introduction though. The last time I saw him he was doing sound at a small outdoor fest in Quesnel that I played at last summer. Sylia's Cafe, I think it was.
Tell him that you met Ray Morrison's brother Ron online. He used to play with Ray.

Cheers man!