#65920 by Kramerguy
Sat May 02, 2009 1:15 pm
Sat May 02, 2009 1:15 pm
the gigman wrote:The funniest thing about all this is a) how opinionated this bitter, old, twisted, failed muso Kramerguy is and b) how much interest, and thus publicity, this post is attracting.
No, not really. We see a minimum of 10 spams a week here, for new websites, just like yours, that want to offer us musicians a "service".
Regarding bitter... if fortuitousness and skepticism is "bitter", then so be it. A person with opposite traits tends to be the fool who is often parted from his money.
the gigman wrote:Is this your question you so desperately want answered? - "What kind of promo are you doing to get club owners, and more importantly - club-goers to use your site as "the place" to visit for such information?"
You really need to ask? I only asked like 5 times.. Your last response completely dodged that question.
the gigman wrote:The "honest" response you so desperately crave is this - we are taking it as it comes.
Yeah, that's what I thought. No plan.
the gigman wrote:Did we have a $20,000 marketing plan sussed prior to launching? No. But do you think Zuckerberg had one when he created Facebook in his college dorm?
You didn't really think this one out, did you? Facebook had a single and specific goal, and the target users were all in the same category. Facebook also had HUGE sponsorship and a marketing army behind them very early on. He pitched that idea to many sponsors and got financial backing LONG before he launched.
YOU are basing a business that relies upon two different and specific groups, yet you only thought about how to market to ONE, and took offense when someone asked "what about the other?".
It's like having a dating service that only markets to straight men, and didn't think about how to get the women on the site. it's stupid.
the gigman wrote:The Gigman is merely an idea we have launched to help local bands advertise their gigs, and an idea that is still evolving, including our promotion and marketing ideas.
And that's great, but as you admitted - you don't even know, or have considered yet, exactly HOW you are going to get the absolutely essential "non-musicians" to go to your site, just "hey lets put up a brick wall, spam some band forums, and then our site will be really cool and popular"...
the gigman wrote:We also play in bands, have jobs, go out, etc etc AND do the Gigman to help local bands. We don't, however, sit on chat forums looking for an opportunity to knock such endeavors. I'm disappointed in myself for wasting the last 30 minutes responding to such stupidity, for this reason below...
Did I ever once personally insult you? I questioned your business and marketing plan. If you can't handle the truth, I suggest that you might put on some serious sunblock, cause life is going to kick the sh*t out of you.
I get paid to sit at a computer.. paid very well in fact, considering that I spend all day surfing the web.. jealous? You should be.
the gigman wrote:I find it absolutely astounding you question why bands would want to advertise away from their home sites in fear of "competition"?
No, you clearly misunderstood the point I made. I'm not going to bother explaining it, like you said.. waste of time.
the gigman wrote:What, do you want to always play to a room full of just your mates? Do you think people only like one band and that's it? Are you scared other bands are better (highly likely)? Possibly the dumbest concept I have ever heard...you should be ashamed, and anyone else who has this view, and we don't want small-minded retards on our site...f off
WTF guy? Did I really hurt your feelings that much? I called your business plan what it was - a pile of crap. how the hell can you possibly be in a gigging band, and not be able to accept criticism? Do you tell bar-goers to F off when they don't cheer after a song?? You seriously need to evaluate yourself.
To answer your 'concern'... I am friends with most bands in my area, it's a stupid stupid concept to think of other bands as competition, the same band can't do every club rotation every weekend, we need each other DUHHHHH. You speak as if I didn't notice that.. BUT......
WHY the hell would I post on your site and direct my fans to "look" at your brick wall? They already come to my site for that. NOW... like I said previously, if I knew that "other people" (bar patrons, not musicians) were looking at that same wall that might come out to see me, then I could see the point of using your site... but I think it would be a colossal mistake to send my fans to your wall so they can check out all the other bands playing the same night as me.. it has nothing to do with fear or rejection.. it has EVERYTHING to to with me wanted to maximize the turnout at MY show, not some other band in some other bar.
the gigman wrote:Moving on to point b)
Yes we have posted on or "spammed" music forums as you put it, but isn't letting people know of a new music website a good thing, and one of a forums purpose?
There's a fine line, and as I recall, you posted a response right in the middle of another thread "Go to gigskdng.com" !! You brought the term "spammer" on yourself. Also remember... we see these threads constantly, daily.. and you ARE going to get grilled... get used to it or GTFO.
the gigman wrote: We are not trying to get any money, or steal other sites traffic, or whatever other bizarre theories you can conjure up...
I call bullshit. You may have started this as a free 'service' but I guarantee that if it found a way to make money, you wouldn't lose sleep collecting that money, would you? And you did start it in the hopes that it would be successful, no? You've also so far compared your site to Facebook... and have referred to it as a "business"...
the gigman wrote:we simply had an idea, did it, and are now letting people know its there, that's it...and even if we were, would that be so bad? Is capitalism illegal? Do you think any business starts out with any other goal?
Well, you just claimed you weren't doing it for the money, then claimed you are doing it for the money.
the gigman wrote:Yes we hope people use our site, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't use others...we encourage it, as the more places bands advertise their gigs, the better it is for live music...we are currently engaging in various promotional activities, like this one (cheers), through print, radio, and online mediums. We agree this will be extremely hard, and also agree 99% of the time, businesses like ours fail...but we are having a shot, and believe we will be the 1% that succeeds
So, you admit that your business plan sucks, with a 99% chance of failure, and you are doing it anyways.... yeah, thanks for cluttering up the internet with yet another set of future broken links and garbage sites.
the gigman wrote:And lastly, the conspiracy theory on us making another account...again, you should be ashamed...the idiocy is truly interesting
It's been done before... and you suggesting history doesn't repeat itself is far more idiotic than me suggesting that it indeed does.
the gigman wrote:Good luck to all your bands and we hope you use our site to promote live music. If not, all the best
Yeah, and make up your mind, if you are going to spend 30 minutes insulting me, don't choke at the finish line and tell me to have a nice day. Try this:
Blow it out your ass fuktard.