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lol,Palin hatred groups? How about her respectable Racist Rallies?

There will always be a few wackos no matter which side. You cannot control the actions of every individual in groups of thousands.

What is different in this, is the liberal media's collusion with it.

Probing Obama on his radical connections and socialist leanings, are reasonable political questions, relevant to the election.

Questioning Palin about the AIP is reasonable.

Sexism is wrong. Racism is wrong. Personal attacks are wrong.

As to constantly trashing my country...

I have not done the same.

In fact, I paid your country respect.

Not to trash anything at all, but I REALLY liked Colin Powell's take on this election. Clear, concise, without any fluff or irrationality or wacko emotionalism. I quite agree with him in every way.

Not to trash anything at all, but I REALLY liked Colin Powell's take on this election. Clear, concise, without any fluff or irrationality or wacko emotionalism. I quite agree with him in every way.

I have always respected Colin Powell.

I still do.


Colin Powell was dissed very strongly, and in my opinion, improperly, by Bush's father and Bush himself.

You don't forget something like that.

He's holding a big grudge.

Perhaps he would have supported Obama anyway. Perhaps not.

Only he really knows.

I wish it was him running instead.

I would have voted for Powell.

You're willing to overlook the fact that, although I am a man, I actually may not be able to protect myself any better than your average woman or child or mentally challenged person.

Overlooked in what way Phil?

It appears to me, that you continue assigning words and beliefs to me that you make up, and then argue with yourself against.

I don't get it.

I am a person of very strong conscience. I detest injustice of any kind, no matter who it is perpetrated against.

But any individual or group who is disadvantaged, needs special protection.

I already listed Slavery and Handicapped access and the Civil Rights act as examples of this.

I really don't understand what you disagree with above.

You aren't explaining it.

I mention women being abused or children or minorities, and rather than discuss those injustices, you seem to be saying...

"What about me huh? My life sucks right now! Is that less important than women being raped and beaten to death?"

Keeping it simple:
If I make $100 and pay 27% in payroll taxes, then I'm paying $27.

If "Joe Billionaire" makes $1Bil and pays $27Mil in taxes, well, he's paid 99.999% of the national taxes collected compared to me, but in the end, he's only paid 2.7% of his earnings in actual taxes.

I guess you just glossed over some of the other points I have made...

- Income tax should not exist

- Why should someone pay more income tax than you do, when they don't receive any more services or benefits than you do?


Care to comment on these points?

McCain does NOT support collective bargaining.

Good.

Labor Unions should be illegal.

McCain supports both wars, and also supports going to war with Iran

Bombing Iran and going to war with Iran are not necessarily the same thing.

But I don't think you understand what is going on in the Middle East.

It was never about WMD's or revenge for 9/11 or Bush Sr.

It's about something much more far-reaching.

McCain's involvement in the Keating 5 has been understated dramatically, and a judge involved in the case has stated that McCain got off way too easy for his level of involvement.

Judge?

I think you are talking about one of the regulators, who felt McCain got off too lightly because McCain's wife and her father, had some business dealings with Keating.


The legal counsel to the committee investigating Keating recommended that both John Glenn and John McCain NOT be charged.

They were charged anyway, because taking those two Senators away from the case, would have taken away the only Republican.

They didn't want a case against all Democrats.

That looks really bad for Democrats.

So they left McCain and Glenn in, against advice of counsel.


McCain and Glenn were found INNOCENT of anything illegal, but criticized for showing poor judgment.


McCain told the regulators at the time:

"One of our jobs as elected officials is to help constituents in a proper fashion. ACC [American Continental Corporation] is a big employer and important to the local economy. I wouldn't want any special favors for them.... I don't want any part of our conversation to be improper."

Whoa,hold up,criticizing your politicians,election process, and the KKK/Palin rallies, is "trashing" your whole country?If you want to continue with the twisting of words,then i'll start....sorry to hear that you think those 3 above subjects are all your country consist of.
Wow, that is alot more fun then addressing whats actually said...and easy too,and i have yet to hear anything about Obama supporters yelling,"kill whitey!","kill him!","baby killer!","terrorist!","anti American!"show me proof of there similarities.

Well, Craig, in all seriousness, I don't see how you could possibly handle these special situations without putting more emphasis on them than on the issue of violence as a whole. I think that's a too narrow approach, & belittles violence that happens to anyone else by proxy.

So you explain to me how you're going to handle it without making special circumstances for attacks on anyone's pet favorite minorities.

Keeping it simple:
If I make $100 and pay 27% in payroll taxes, then I'm paying $27.

If "Joe Billionaire" makes $1Bil and pays $27Mil in taxes, well, he's paid 99.999% of the national taxes collected compared to me, but in the end, he's only paid 2.7% of his earnings in actual taxes.

I guess you just glossed over some of the other points I have made...

- Income tax should not exist



Care to comment on these points?

I disagree with your position on income taxes. Everyone hates taxes, but all things considered, government (should) exist to serve the people, and they do require massive funding to achieve those goals. I'm against property tax, luxury taxes, and sales tax, if that helps. I think YOUR money should only be taxed once. So far, they tax you when you make it and then tax you when you spend it. To add insult to injury, they tax you over and over on property, so you never really "own" it, you just hold a deed that the city/state/fed can take away at any given time.

I have a lot of problems with taxes and enforcement, so I don't think we really disagree on the premise so much as the specifics.

- Why should someone pay more income tax than you do, when they don't receive any more services or benefits than you do?

Why should I have to pay higher healthcare premiums because of my potato chip loving obese neighbors have more hospitalizations than I do? Why should I pay higher car insurance rates when I've never had an accident? It's called socialized risk. It's not fair to the "have's" equally as much as predatory lending, higher interest, excessive late fees, etc.. are not fair to the "have nots". There's no real fair balance to everyone. Realizing that I think is the cornerstone to solving the problems.

I think it's a shame that americans have become so self-absorbed that they can turn their nose up at their suffering neighbors and blame them for their own misfortunes, when the reality of it is that most of the "have nots" work just as hard as everyone else. Many of them are just guilty of not being born into wealth or a nurturing environment, combined with a complete lack of opportunity. The few who do break the mold and make something of themselves are a rare combination of determination and blind LUCK. The weekly puke on Jerry springer who suck welfare dry are really the exception, but the MSM has convinced the majority of people that ALL poor people are like that. It's really sad.

Hey! I LIKE potato chips! Is that so wrong?

Bombing Iran and going to war with Iran are not necessarily the same thing.

To a point, they are. Both would IMO have the same consequences. To think Syria, Russia, China, N Korea, hell...even Cuba and Venezuela, would all get involved. All the while, none of the "allies" would support it. The rest of the world is sick and tired of war. Most are going to take a 'switzerland' approach to further aggressions.

But I don't think you understand what is going on in the Middle East.

It was never about WMD's or revenge for 9/11 or Bush Sr.

It's about something much more far-reaching.

Oh but I do understand precisely what's going on over there. The crux of it started back after WW2 and in 1953 as well. Too much to go into, but the USA is far from innocent in the present-day situation over there.

Did you know that Iran approached us diplomatically before we invaded Iraq in 2003, offered logistics, assistance, much more... they totally extended the olive branch, BBC and PBS both did extensive reporting on it. You know what GWB and friends did? Told them to F off.

So imagine you are Iran- The world's strongest super-power announces it's intentions to invade your neighbor, your region. You know that super power strongly dislikes you and believe you're probably next. You would do the same thing, thinking, better a friend than an enemy.... and when they spit on your extended hand? Hmmm... might want to start preparing for the imminent ... best be able to defend yourself.

That struggle is not entirely lost. The Iranian PEOPLE are mostly nice people who don't hate americans. They don't like our government/leaders, but can anyone really blame them? Did you know that more than 1.3 million christians live in peaceful coexistance in Iran?

So their leaders are just as screwey as ours... Maybe a person like Barrack who can actually inspire people can forge new PEACEFUL relations with them. And I know... they mistreat their women.. blah blah blah. It's a different society over there. As much as you can't comprehend their belief structure, they equally can't comprehend ours. Why are we so self-righteous that we think we are the ones to change it??

It's funny, if china were to go on a world-wide mission to spread communism, every country not communist would freak out, but when the USA spreads "democracy" (which really almost always ends up being brutal dictatorships), nobody understands why these countries hate us.

Terrorism towards the USA is and always has been our own doing. We can't keep going down the same path of suppression. It's time for a real change in foreign policy, and McCain just ain't going to change sh!t. He's dangerous and old-school war mentality. I don't think the world can take much more of that.

Judge?

I think you are talking about one of the regulators, who felt McCain got off too lightly because McCain's wife and her father, had some business dealings with Keating.


The legal counsel to the committee investigating Keating recommended that both John Glenn and John McCain NOT be charged.

They were charged anyway, because taking those two Senators away from the case, would have taken away the only Republican.

They didn't want a case against all Democrats.

That looks really bad for Democrats.

So they left McCain and Glenn in, against advice of counsel.


McCain and Glenn were found INNOCENT of anything illegal, but criticized for showing poor judgment.


McCain told the regulators at the time:

"One of our jobs as elected officials is to help constituents in a proper fashion. ACC [American Continental Corporation] is a big employer and important to the local economy. I wouldn't want any special favors for them.... I don't want any part of our conversation to be improper."

Yeah, not judge, senator- my bad.

There's far more to the story than that info you posted. Either side can cherry pick information to make their case... Like this:

Keating 5 member Dennis DeConcini, a former U.S. Senator and fellow Arizonan, has some interesting things to say about John McCain's unexplored role in the mega financial corruption scandal :

"The question that should be raised is that McCain's big issue here is that he shouldn't have been at that meeting with the regulators that first time because he had a conflict. He took these three trips that he didn't report and his wife invested $350,000 with Keating."

"You can criticize rest of us, but none of us had traveled with or invested with Keating."

So why was McCain excused with just a minor slap on the wrist?

It appears he got off due to a technicality: McCain was let off the hook, because he was a member of the U.S. House of Representatives at the time of the meetings and the U.S. Senate concluded it didn't have jurisdiction to look into his unreported trips with Keating.

He got off easy. He HAD to know what he was doing was wrong. He has no right 'representing' anyone.

Hey! I LIKE potato chips! Is that so wrong?

Hey.. they justified raising cigarette taxes here "because it's bad for you".. potato chips aren't far behind.