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#43677 by Craig Maxim
Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:02 am
You have to decide...


What are you in this for really?


As you said, you started your own project for fun. It is closer to your heart and you have more invested in it, and according to your reports, things are going nicely for you guys.

But now, you are considering something for money as the primary motivation, because you don't like their set list very much and it seems you are already conditioning yourself that you are not going to enjoy this too much.

That's a sucky place to be in bro.

Does your family need the money that desperately? Cause you are making a big trade off, that even you, don't seem very thrilled about.

If someone is in this for a career. They really believe they can go somewhere and are willing to make the necessary commitments and sacrifices, then sometimes you have to make difficult decisions, that I believe are beyond "loyalty" to friends. If they are really your true friends, then they would not want to hold you back from a better opportunity. There are some guys in my band which would be VERY difficult to replace, but if they had a HUGE opportunity for advancing their personal careers, I would support them in that and wish them the very best.

Key words: "Better Opportunity"


How much better is this opportunity?


Doesn't sound that much better to me, because mainly the other band is more popular and gigging more.

What stops Panik from reaching that level? Maybe a little more promotion and another 6 months or so, you could be wiping the floor with that new band?

You have more pull in your own project. What if this other band trades you out next? You didn't say if the other dude is still in the other band or not. That is not the best situation, that they are talking to you behind his back, if so. What stops them from doing the same to you? Will you then have to beg for your place back IN YOUR OWN project?

That would suck.


You are giving up your weekends for this. It had better be a HUGELY promising future for that, or at least alot of fun, so you don't feel that EVERYTHING in your life is only work. That will drain you pretty quickly.


I have a feeling that YOU are the most serious member of Panik, and that probably as band leader, you are frustrated by that from time to time, and this new band is showing they value you alot, and that feels good, when your own band may have to be prodded occasionally to measure up, practice and gig wise.

If so, that alone would make the new project appealing "Hey, these other guys are serious and dedicated and receiving the rewards of that, whereas some of my guys are hobbyists, and I have to work hard sometimes just to keep them all together."

You did mention awhile back, if I remember, that you were ready to throw in the towel once in awhile, cause some of your band was flaking out, not making every gig, etc...

That's stressful.

But if it is only a single member or two, it is always possible they get replaced with more dedicated musicians, if that's the case. It's your project, so you are in a prime position to decide that and have a say about it.

But in the new band, you are the newcomer. You can't be sure how secure that position is, until you have been with them awhile and seen that the personalities work well with you.

I think it is a big decision.

And it seems like a big risk for what may be a nominal reward.

To me, the only way you should try this out, is if you can balance both projects for awhile and see how it feels. But you should then be above board, that you are sitting in with another band. Your band may not like that, but who knows, maybe that wakes some of them up, and you guys hit the floor running with a new determination, and end up being more popular than this other band in 6 months time?

There is nothing wrong with making a decision that is best for YOUR CAREER personally. Just be SURE that it is... BEST for your career.

Is this other band really going to improve your career greatly?

Sounds to me like their level is within reach of your own band. You just need to get your guys all on board with you, or find musicians that can measure up. Then you are playing the music you want to play, getting paid, and have the personal satisfaction of seeing that something YOU started from the ground up, is succeeding and doing quite well at that.


Good luck brother!

#43684 by HowlinJ
Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:56 am
Excellent points on Craig's part. I especially agree with the advice of at least TRYING to balance both gigs for awhile before making a final decision.

#43696 by Black57
Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:28 am
philbymon wrote:
Black57 wrote:After reading the other posts, I am really having a difficult time with my answer. But, this is my input on the subject. Is Panickattack your dream or is music your dream? If your dream is in music you want to be able to afford that dream. You need income. If your dream was to be a computer programmer, you would seek out the highest paying job for the dream that you have. Teachers, lawyers, doctors, nurses, basketball players- go for the money. Why can't musicians? There is nothing wrong with seeking out a more lucrative position if it is going in the direction of the dream. If you had not been doing Panickattack, you would not have been approached by the other band...am I correct? So your vision has sparked someone elses vision. I say, sit down with your buds and discuss this over some Bud. I would see what could be worked out. Even if you have to find someone to replace you in Panickattack. That is my 2 pennies.


All that may be true, Mary, but would a guy that gets big bucks playing for the NY Yankees quit to make better money working for the Cubs? I think not. It would probably ruin his chops & his rep both, & then he'd lose money later, & he'd never get that World Series ring or trophy or whatever they get. (Gawd...I'm so bad at the sports analogies...maybe I should learn a bit more about them, eh?)

I still think it's better to keep growing musically with the better musicians, if at all possible.


It's funny, all the women I know use food analogies. Men always use sports analogies. :wink:

Crip will continue to grow musically.

Crip, I am glad that you is deciding to do both. This is why I suggested speaking to Panickattack. However, you did the best thing by talking it over with the Wifey. It is great to see that you has support at the home front. Understandably tough decision but a great experience.

#43743 by philbymon
Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:55 pm
LOL, Mary! That is the 1st time I EVER used a sports analogy, mostly because I NEVER watch them or pay any attention to them, myself. I think I may have come up short on that one, too, but at least no one called me on it!

#43891 by Crip2Nite
Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:09 am
:? Yikes.... I'm already super bored playing these tunes and I haven't even auditioned yet :shock: I've figured our 14 of the most boring freakin' tunes ever: Purple Haze, Born to be Wild, La Grange, Sunshine of Your Love, War Pigs, Rock & Roll, etc... I swear... I actually fell asleep in mid tune and my wife and kids woke me up laughing their asses off! I had to go back to the Stevie Vai tune I was working on to wake up!

Oh well... I'll go into the studio tomorrow night with an open mind with the mindset that I'm just gonna do these gigs for the money but no way would I ever, ever, ever give up my personal project for this! If it should happen that my band has a gig the same night as that band, even though they promise me $$, I'll still pick PanikAtack over that band without even a thought!

#43910 by gbheil
Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:07 pm
Yes, now THAT is what your heart tells you!

#43962 by Andragon
Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:37 pm
I agree, Crip, man. But War Pigs is an excellent tune. I mean, yea you basically play the "response" to the singer's lines, but it's got a fun/great outro. Anyways, I think you already made the right choice.

#43965 by HowlinJ
Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:46 pm
Dammit Crip,
First I had to agree with RhythmMan, Then Craig, now I have to side with the young Dragon ! Warpigs rocks! (and I ain't even a Sabbath fan!)
Other then that, it is becoming more evident that you should keep the Panic Attack happening. :wink:
Ain't no two Boobs about it! :shock:
Howlin'

#44006 by Crip2Nite
Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:33 am
War Pigs is aiight... but PanikAtack does Children Of The Grave and Faieries Wear boots and a ton of Ozzy Tunes with RR and Zak Wilde... so after pplaying all that... War Pigs is kind of a downer...

#44086 by Crip2Nite
Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:27 pm
Well.... It looks like I'm in 2 bands and ....YIKES>>> am I gonna be a busy little beaver!
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#44088 by gbheil
Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:33 pm
Busy is good!
Beaver is better! :D

#44093 by jw123
Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:53 pm
Dam Crip first playing with the tongue, which I havent mastered yet and now 2 working bands. I just kind of lick the neck real real slow, tears em up.

I just dropped out of 2 outside projects cause my main one is getting to busy.

Weve got a guy coming this weekend who is involved with managing Joan Jett who might be interested in our band so I better hold tight where Im.

Rock on BRO!!!!

#44101 by Crip2Nite
Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:50 pm
That's soo freakin' cool JW, You and I seem to be on the gigging warpath this year! :twisted:

#44102 by Craig Maxim
Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:56 pm
JW,

That's exciting dude!


Crip,

Kick ass and take names!.... TWICE!

#44142 by Crip2Nite
Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:26 pm
I've never talked about it here, but I was married once before.
My ex-wife started taking flying lessons about the time our divorce started and she got her license shortly before our divorce was final, later that same year.

Yesterday afternoon I got a phone call, that she narrowly escaped injury in the aircraft she was piloting. Seems she was forced to make an emergency landing in Hamilton because of bad weather. Thank God the kids weren't with her.

The FAA issued a preliminary report, citing pilot error: She was flying a single engine aircraft in IFR (instrument flight rating) conditions while only having obtained a VFR (visual flight rating) rating.

The absence of a post-crash fire was likely due to insufficient fuel on board. No one on the ground was injured.

The photograph below was taken at the scene to show the extent of damage to her aircraft.

She was really lucky......




























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