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#244591 by Badstrat
Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:54 pm
Gun control is NEVER to protect citizens from killing each other, because gun control never has stopped that from happening. People can kill with gasoline fueled fire bombs, homemade pipe bombs, their cars, knives, clubs, bricks, with their bare hands and whatever is obtainable that can be used to attack the defenseless. Gun control is enacted so that the government, not your fellow citizens, can kill you. Politicians are cowards of the highest order. obama wants to take your guns because he wishes to remove all opposition to his lawlessness, nothing more. obama wants an America that will be defenseless to the dictates of those who wish to impose their will over yours. You are the America that he and mooshell wage their war against. You are the object of their hatred. It does not matter if you are black, yellow, white or green. His hatred is directed towards you, the American citizen. He sets one group of citizens against another so he can sit back and watch until the time comes to take over total control. Americans are the weapons that he uses against America. Hitler did just exactly that by causing racial strife amongst the German people. His racial hatred led to the deaths of millions, and not just the Jews. This tactic is not new, but it is predictable.

Is it coincidence that all the countries in the article below followed a set pattern? They first had to either go house to house in order to take or convince the citizenry that they should give up their guns to create a safer world. From the article below you can see how safe your world will be if these tyrants take your guns. History always repeats itself. Why? Because the stupids never learn anything from history. Ungodly tyrants always seem to have enough ungodly supporters. After the takeover they are often referred to as "Useful idiots"

What happened in those countries in this article? Citizens were convinced to give up their guns. Once defenseless political dissenters and religious objectors were persecuted, gathered up one by one, and put to death. Then they turned on those supporters that were crucial to their gaining power. Those useful idiots who defended them and supported them. Then many of the tyrants put to death those high up, those who assisted them in overthrowing the previous form of government. Why? Because they knew the ropes on how to overthrow an existing form of government. They did not wish to chance that those in the know might rise up in discontent and assist to overthrow their regime. Then, after all were disposed of, they come after you for something you said to a friend in privacy or in a confidential conversation. Or perhaps they suspect you of disapproving their dictates and frame you. Maybe they come after you because you are gay, maybe because you are a Christian, maybe because you spoke of older better days. I have read these things in articles and interviews from people in countries like China, North Korea or Russia quite often. Look how the followers of Islam are persecuted by other believers in Islam who have the power and guns. But I'm sure you libs will love it. Until they come after you, your family, or your friends. :)

Is there anything new about that step by step procedure of overthrowing a government from within? Nope. There is nothing new under the sun.


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Gun Grab World History Enablement of Tyranny & Genocide

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In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Defenceless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late!

The next time someone talks in favour of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun-control message to all of your friends.

SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND’S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

DON’T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.

Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!




Back to the Future: What History Teaches About Gun Confiscations

It is clear that Obama, Boxer, a host of other elected representatives, the media, and Hollywood stars are coming after our guns. Leading the media charge is none other than Michael Moore; he implores the nation to let the murders of 20 Sandy Hook elementary students not “be in vain and stand for gun control.” Moore seems to forget that he and his family have several armed bodyguards.

Then there is Obama who refuses to mandate that gun free zones at schools be replaced with armed guards designed in order to protect our children. And Obama also seems to forget to mention that he has 11 armed guards protecting his children while they attend school in a “gun free zone.”

Oh, I think Obama and Moore think that our children are important. It is just that their children are much more important than our children. Simply put, Obama and Moore advocate for “rules for thee but not for me.”

Outright Gun Bans Are Looming

Regrettably, I believe that we are going to see an incrementally based approach to seizing our guns on the part of the Obama administration. Subsequently, Americans could very well be on the verge of committing “National Suicide by Gun Control”.

The gun control advocates are positioning themselves and their gun-grabbing policies to be perfectly timed to influence people during this window of opportunity motivated by the highly suspicious set of mass shootings (e.g. Batman shootings, Sandy Hook shootings)
All totalitarian governments begin their invasion into civil liberties with the promise of safety from whoever plays the convenient role of the “bogeyman” of the day. In Nazi Germany, the original bogeymen were the communists, and then this specter of bogeymen kept expanding until anyone who was an enemy of the State needed to be controlled and disarmed. Isn’t this what we have witnessed since the days of 9/11 with the creation of the DHS-inspired MIAC report which lists returning veterans, gun owners, Libertarians, Ron Paul supporters and Constitutionalists as domestic terrorists. This is your list of people who will be disarmed first, and the list will keep growing until all Americans are disarmed. The totalitarian pleas of “Let us protect you from yourself” ring loudly and clearly through the halls of Congress and in the Oval Office. History shows that when governments demand to protect you from yourself, we should all get a little bit nervous.

History Speaks Will American Listen?

History shows that bad things, very bad things, happen when a government confiscates the guns of its citizens. It is an undisputed fact that gun control and gun confiscation have preceded every instance of genocide in the 20th century. How quickly we forget the lessons of history, or, perhaps we never bothered to learn the true lessons of history in the first place.

If we ever allow government to subvert the Second Amendment, we very well could be witnessing a prelude to an American genocide for specific targeted groups, for there is nothing as dangerous to a totalitarian regime as an educated and well-armed populace. Totalitarian regimes flourish in an atmosphere of ignorance. The dumbing down of American students has removed the first obstacle which could stand in the way of the establishment of a brutal police state control grid. The second obstacle, the removal of America’s citizens guns as a last line of defense against tyrannical government has commenced with the catalyst being the Sandy Hook shootings.

And let’s not forget that this criminal Obama administration has been caught shipping guns into Mexico to the drug cartels in order to undermine the Second Amendment; and we are supposed to trust these proven criminals to be the only ones who will have guns in the new UN-controlled America?

What Happens After Gun Confiscation?

Before we passively allow the Obama administration to strip away our last line of defense from an increasingly totalitarian government, by acquiescing to the United Nations and American advocates for gun control, perhaps we should examine the end game resulting from past gun control efforts:

1. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves against their ethnic-cleansing government, were arrested and exterminated.

2. In 1929, the former Soviet Union established gun control as a means of controlling the “more difficult” of their citizens. From 1929 to the death of Stalin, 40 million Soviets met an untimely end at the hand of various governmental agencies as they were arrested and exterminated.

3. After the rise of the Nazis, Germany established their version of gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves against the “Brown Shirts”, were arrested and exterminated. Interestingly, the Brown Shirts were eventually targeted for extermination themselves following their blind acts of allegiance to Hitler. Any American military and police would be wise to grasp the historical significance of the Brown Shirts’ fate.

4. After Communist China established gun control in 1935, an estimated 50 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves against their fascist leaders, were arrested and exterminated.

5. Closer to home, Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayans, unable to defend themselves against their ruthless dictatorship, were arrested and exterminated.

6. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves from their dictatorial government, were arrested and exterminated.

7. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million of the “educated” people, unable to defend themselves against their fascist government, were arrested and exterminated.

8. In 1994, Rwanda disarmed the Tutsi people and being unable to defend themselves from their totalitarian government, nearly one million were summarily executed.

The total numbers of victims who lost their lives because of gun control is approximately 70 million people in the 20th century. The historical voices from 70 million corpses speak loudly and clearly to those Americans who are advocating for a de facto gun ban. Governments murdered four times as many civilians as were killed in all the international and domestic wars combined. Governments murdered millions more people than were killed by common criminals and it all followed gun control.

Historically, American gun control legislation has been imitating Hitler’s Nazi Germany gun control legislation for quite some time. Consider the key provisions of the Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 and compare it with the United States Gun Control Act of 1968. The parallels of both the provisions and the legal language are eerily similar.

The Nazi Weapons Act of 1938

1. Classified guns for sporting purposes.

2. All Germans desiring to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and submit to a background check.

3. The law assumed that non-Nazi German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.

4. The Nazis assumed unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not, be owned by private persons.

5. The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by governmental bureaucrats.

6. Citizens under 18 years of age could not buy firearms and ammunition.

United States Gun Control Act of 1968

1. Introduced term “sporting purpose.”

2. Exempted government agencies from the controls which applied to law-abiding citizens.

3. Age restrictions of 18 years and 21 years were applied to anyone who wished to purchase firearms and ammunition.

4. Authorized the Secretary of the Treasury to decide what firearms could or could not be owned by private persons.

5.The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by governmental bureaucrats.

6. Age restriction of 18 years and 21 years were applied to anyone who wished to purchase firearms and ammunition.

Thomas Jefferson was very clear in his writings regarding the right to bear arms. Jefferson knew that the preservation of the Republic ultimately rested upon a well-armed citizenry. Jefferson felt it was absolutely necessary for American citizens to be able to protect themselves. The protection that Jefferson spoke of was not from our obvious enemies of the day (France and Britain), but from our own government. Jefferson made this point quite clear when he admonished future generations of Americans to fulfill their duty to overthrow a government if they failed to serve the needs of the majority of its citizens.

Private ownership of guns is the necessary component needed to fulfill the Jeffersonian mandate for national self-defense. Yet, increasingly reminiscent of Nazi Germany, the United States government is incrementally chipping away at private citizens’ right to own a gun. This does doesn’t make sense because FBI statistics clearly show that 90% of the guns used in the commission of a crime are stolen! Does the government really believe that criminals, both American citizens and illegal aliens, as well as terrorists, are suddenly going to perform their civic duty and immediately register their guns? How is America better-served if the only ones who don’t have access to guns are the law-abiding citizens? So, one must ask who are the gun control laws designed to protect and why?

Finally, most would wonder what gun confiscation would look and feel like in America. No speculation is necessary because of the gun confiscations which took place in New Orleans in 2006 in the aftermath of Katrina. Any American who thinks that gun confiscation is a good idea, needs desperately to watch the following video.

Is this the government that you are going to accept? Even the most brainwashed of Americans cannot deny what you just watched on the preceding video. If we allow Obama to possess the ability to ban our guns, this is what you will likely see across the country; and the potential for this to spread into a flashpoint for widespread violence, and even revolution, should be concerning to all of us. This issue, in my humble opinion, needs to be our line in the sand against this tyrannical government.
#244600 by Paleopete
Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:44 am
Gun control is not about guns, it's about control.

I'm amazed that people ignore the lessons of history.

The first thing gun control fanatics will say is that guns kill people. Nope, people kill people. Load a gun, lay it on a table and call me when it jumps up and kills someone. I won't be waiting, it ain't gonna happen. A PERSON has to pull the trigger.

OK so you take away guns. Do you have any idea how many ways people figured out to kill other people hundreds of years before guns existed? Stoning, spears, rocks, hanging, burning, impaling, crucifixion, clubs, knives, drowning, bows and arrows, plain old beating...

Then they say guns cause crime. Know who build the world's first roads? The very oldest are from about 4000BC in mesopotamia. Now known as Iraq. The first large system of roads was built by the Roman empire, around 2000 years ago. The merchants of the time had a real problem of being beset by highway robbers, especially in muddy conditions that would result in deep ruts, and the Roman army couldn't get there in time to do anything about it because they would get bogged down in the same ruts, sometimes a foot deep or more. So the Roman government built paved roads using flat rocks with various underlying materials. Some are still in use today, 2000 years later. Guns didn't exist for several hundred years but crime was already a serious enough problem the government had to build roads to combat it.

People cause crime. always have, always will. Take guns out of the equation, they will use knives. Take knives away they will use clubs and spears. Always have, always will. How many wars were fought with swords? Do you think they were only used for wars? Nope, highway robbers and local small time criminals were already a problem. It had its risks, in some cases being caught stealing would result in your hand being cut off. 2nd offense, remove the other hand. If you had the brains to figure out how to steal a 3rd time, your head would be cut off. But people still did it.

Jack the Ripper used a knife.

Caesar was killed with knives.

Vlad the Impaler used long sharpened poles, his victims would be placed on top of them and they would be slowly killed by the pole being gradually forced into their bodies. Starting at the anus. Vlad wasn't your everyday criminal though, he was the prince of Wallachia. He's considered by some to be the inspiration for the character Dracula. His name was Vlad III Dracula, which means son of Dracul. He was also known for making the punishment fir the crime. When a group of visitors, Turks I think, refused to remove their headgear for dinner, Vlad had them stapled to their heads. He also placed a gold chalice at the town fountain and declared that anyone could drink from it but none could take it. It stands as a testament of his notoriety and the fear he instilled in his subjects that it was never taken from the fountain. Guns didn't exist yet. Well not quite, gunpowder was brand new, and he was also the first outside China to use it in wars, mostly artillery. The typical gun we're discussing here was not common and very primitive.

There are loads of stories if you look back through history, of tyrants and criminals, long before guns existed. Even the Bible tells of highway robbers. Every civilization known to man has had its share of violent criminals, as far back as written history goes. And guns have only existed for a quarter of that history at most.

The only thing gun control will do is allow a government to opress its people. And leave them defenseless against criminals, who will still have guns. You think criminals go out and buy guns at gun shops? Nope. Black market or steal them. They pay no attention to gun laws at all. Background checks have resulted in very few people being denied gun purchases, criminals don't get guns from retail outlets they know will perform background checks. They go outside legal outlets. The local crack dealer doesn't run a background check...

The only thing that will result from taking guns away is leaving law abiding citizens defenseless against criminals, who already have and will keep guns.

Gun control is not about guns, it's about control...
#244621 by MikeTalbot
Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:55 pm
I can't imagine why we argue about this. Here is Mike's action plan:

1) Jail all the politicians who voted for unconstitutional gun laws - that's any of them

2) educate our children as to how the 'rule of law' actually works - Jail all the politicians and 'educators' who thought not teaching how our govt works was a good idea.

3) let those who think guns should be banned not bear the dark stain of outlaw and show them the means to go about it legally: i.e. Constitutional convention.

Next problem?

Talbot
#270159 by Vampier
Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:20 pm
Slacker and PaleoPete ... awesome. Thank you.

Talbot good to "hear" or read you are back. Even i would vote for you. Glen ... they are serious.

By banning Free speech they are banning something even more powerful than guns.

CensorShip should be sunk.

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