General Chat (Non-Music-Related)

Thanks for the input!
What is really sad is that it doesn't have to be this way. But your comments are spot on in my opinion.

My intent when starting this thread was to expose the fallacy of the Globalist agenda. Many did not catch this slant.
The Authoritarian mindset contradicts basic human nature and the gift of free will. W/o this freedom to make choices, we are hindered from being what we can be. Sad that some make the wrong choice and enslave others for their own benefit. But all is not lost.

This is a very cool conversation, it makes you wonder how really unobtainable true perfection is.
The movie: "A Beautiful Mind" got me interested in game theory. So if governing dynamics is for real, the banking industry is destroying their own economy, the overpaid corporate executives are doing the same to their consumer base.

Don't get me wrong I'm a capitalists, at the same time "trickle down" is a falsehood. A billionaire doesn't buy ten thousand pairs of pants, three hundred cars, or a hundred TVs. That same money locked up right now in Scrooge McDuck's vault, dispersed among normal consumers would lead to a booming economy. Greed is wrecking the source of their water, from the presumed endless well.

Henry Ford insisted on paying his workers well enough so that they too could afford one of his cars, which put him at odds with Carnegie. J. P. Morgan convinced the top bankers of the country to contribute their money towards keeping our economy afloat. These are the notorious cutthroat captains of industry, who in reality were far more respectful of their economic environment back then, which they knew they were dependent upon to survive.

Today I guess we'll just have to wait until the Monopoly game is over. No fiat currency in history has ever survived and neither will ours. After the ensuing chaos when it breaks, perhaps there will be more wisdom towards the actual worth of life? Comparing time and the quality of life versus the pursuit of material goods, would be a foolish endeavor. Everything we own would be sacrificed for just one more day alive on this planet. If we were to pile it all upon a person's grave it's true value becomes evident.

That pursuit has everyone regarding their fellow humans as mere obstacles towards owning stuff, or getting that promotion, so they can own more stuff and in the end at the cost of the only resource we actually have, which is time. Their misery is highly contagious wreaking havoc within their own social landscape. Cooperation would be necessary in a utopia, which doesn't bode well with our current religion of consumerism.

lalong, thanks for posting that.. you and Chief Engineer Scott once played in a band together, or jammed a bit, (if I recollect?) , and I hope all is well..

lalong, thanks for posting that.. you and Chief Engineer Scott once played in a band together, or jammed a bit, (if I recollect?) , and I hope all is well..

Yeah man, we broke apart over personal differences. A shame, he is a great guitarists with unique vision. Right now working with an excellent drummer trying to get a progressive band together. The guy has really opened my eyes over the importance of quality percussion. Before that it was always drum machines and the difference a real drummer makes is astounding. Studying a lot about mixing and sound and just really enjoying surrounding my everyday with music. Sometimes life doesn't suck. Thank you for asking, I didn't think anyone would have remembered me.

This brings up a good point. Since the stagnation of the economy in recent years, I've noticed more of a tendency to live 'close to the vest'. IOW - finding ways to do more w/ less. I do believe the materialist lifestyle is dying. The elitists have caused this phenomena or is it dying by it's own hand??

The only way to overthrow this movement is to hit 'em where it hurts; the billfold. Buy less. Get out of debt. Barter when you can. If we can get back to basics, maybe things could change?

Game Theory is another interesting subject in itself but I don't want to get too far out of bounds w/ all of this.

Great point, I think barter would be the closest we could ever achieve towards a utopian society. Even in the middle of the Sahara a glass of water priced at ten million dollars would have no buyers. If it can't be sold or bought, what would be its actual value? When we cross that threshold, like the hyperinflation post WW1 Germany, a wheelbarrow of cash for a loaf of bread, a billion marks for a gallon of milk, who is buying that stuff? An equal exchange of time and effort seems to be the fairest system possible and forces people to live within their means.

It's weird that some ancient societies used to forgive all debt every seven or so years wiping the slate clean and pretty much rebooting their currency. Today it's ok to bail out banks, but not the people who are indebted to them. The banks would still get their money, after all it was our money used in the first place. But that is a prime indication that the current government's only concern is self survival and proliferation. I believe we currently have the best republic, that corporate America can buy. "yes anyone can become president, with a few billion dollars." The next move will be two currencies, perhaps a gold dollar actually pegged to a gold standard and the old dollar reserved for normal folks. "Everyone can vote, it only cost twenty gold dollars to register"

"All animals are equal, just that some animals are more equal than others" George Orwell was a genius, between "1984" and "Animal Farm", just perfect examples of utopian societies gone wrong.