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#258862 by GuitarMikeB
Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:58 pm
MikeTalbot wrote:Apparently Lonnie Mack (the cat with the Flying V way back when) and Percy Sledge died on the same day as Prince.

Rough year.

Talbot


Percy Sledge died last year (might have been same date).

Jook - yeah, KISS - keep it dumbed down for the ADD masses. I get it, but don't cotton to it!
#258868 by Planetguy
Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:00 am
i don't mean to kick a guy when he's taking a dirt nap.....but i never got what the big deal was about prince.

"genius"??? really? nah...he always struck me as a watered down version of James Brown, Sly, and Michael Jackson. and his music.....bad dumbed down pop music. "Oh, Sheila"? "Raspberry Bouquet"? "Little Red Corvette?....genius????? nah, i don't hear it.

i remember people gushing over how creative and amazing it was that he left the bass off "When Doves Cry". I guess they never heard that other "creative" tune w/o bass that preceeded it...."Old Time Rock & Roll"! :lol:
#258872 by RGMixProject
Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:22 am
Planetguy wrote:i don't mean to kick a guy when he's taking a dirt nap.....but i never got what the big deal was about prince.

"genius"??? really? nah...he always struck me as a watered down version of James Brown, Sly, and Michael Jackson. and his music.....bad dumbed down pop music. "Oh, Sheila"? "Raspberry Bouquet"? "Little Red Corvette?....genius????? nah, i don't hear it.

i remember people gushing over how creative and amazing it was that he left the bass off "When Doves Cry". I guess they never heard that other "creative" tune w/o bass that preceeded it...."Old Time Rock & Roll"! :lol:


The real question here is; Why is it the most rich and famous Creative Musicians Need to Be Eccentric?
Why do Plain Jane musicians no matter how skilled, never make it rich?
#258874 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:18 am
jookeyman wrote:
yod wrote:I got addicted to hydrocodone in the 80s for a couple of years. It's easy to do and I wouldn't have gotten off by my will. I can totally see how he would be addicted to them, and you don't realize how high you are, so you keep taking more and more and more...


Very true Ted but I think the problem stems from the availability and the liberal dispensing of these drugs to the general public. ANYONE can walk into a pain management clinic w/orders from a general physician and get all the opiates they want.

I've seen my wife withdraw from methadone so I know what you're laying down. But I have great health insurance so we went the proactive route and sought out surgeons who could alleviate problems w/o the use of opiates. There are options out there for pain sufferers besides the use of opiates but they are expensive. Surely Prince could afford these options instead of going the drug route. Nerve blocks or 'burns' are quite effective as well as nerve blocking stimulators for more serious conditions. Bought the T shirt (and I only have a very, very small fraction of funds compared to him).

Personally, I don't buy it (in this case.)




Well that's my point exactly, and I've harped on this one before. The availability and abuse of legal drugs in this country hides a LOT of addiction. Prince is no different than the general population is what is I was trying to say. So overdosing is as easy for him as anyone, especially if he is drained from the flu and the road. So I'm just saying this one seems a lot less fishy than Scalia, for example.

My own brother died last September of overdosing on meth, and no one who knew him suspected he was doing it. How many people are doing legal drugs (legally or illegally) and we don't know about it? That was my point on the gun debate also.
#258876 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:45 am
Planetguy wrote:i don't mean to kick a guy when he's taking a dirt nap.....but i never got what the big deal was about prince.

"genius"??? really? nah...he always struck me as a watered down version of James Brown, Sly, and Michael Jackson. and his music.....bad dumbed down pop music. "Oh, Sheila"? "Raspberry Bouquet"? "Little Red Corvette?....genius????? nah, i don't hear it.

i remember people gushing over how creative and amazing it was that he left the bass off "When Doves Cry". I guess they never heard that other "creative" tune w/o bass that preceeded it...."Old Time Rock & Roll"! :lol:



I loved the movie Purple Rain. Who didn't in 1983? or was it 1984?

Mark, the thing about Prince was the entire package. His talent was more than a great singer/guitarist/pianist. He was the penultimate performer. He oozed sex appeal and danced like James Brown while playing like Jimi Hendrix and singing with a wider range than almost anyone else in pop music in his day. Not really my style, but I "got it" that all the ladies liked him.

ANYONE can play a guitar, and some people can even sing....but I had enormous respect for Prince's ability as a creator and producer. Yeah...he could do R&B, funk, psychedelic, and then burn on some rock like no black guitarist had done since Hendrix, but his success was based on his ability to produce constantly. He treated every song seriously and I don't know of anyone who left us with a thousand songs written, ready, and yet unreleased like he did.




The real question here is; Why is it the most rich and famous Creative Musicians Need to Be Eccentric?
Why do Plain Jane musicians no matter how skilled, never make it rich?




I could answer this but it's almost pointless. Until you've changed residence every day of your life for a decade or more you will never be able to understand the life of a recording artist. There is no such thing as a regular schedule so you have no idea what normal is.

Those normal guys you allude to? They change over time, or they drop out and go play jazz. :lol:

After about 5 or 6 years of constant traveling, you become very disoriented to time, circumstance, and protocol. You live by the hour, and you're unaware of how odd you've become to what the rest of a society calls "acceptable".

In your mind, the years and the cities and the people and parties have all become a blur. To the people who shared even a second of it, you are often expected to remember their presence somehow. But it's impossible, even though you may have seen them a dozen times over the last decade. Some people will start projecting expectations (based on their normal schedule) that you could never fulfill in the very, very, very short timeframe you are with them, and you just need to hurry for a 7 hour ride to the next place.

So you end up withdrawing into your own timeless planet. Most hours of a day you deal with a public and reality, but the end of the day is still lonely in a strange place. You're just hoping that you can get a shower today and more than 4 hours of sleep in a night this week. No one else walks with you because they can't keep up. Oh, they think they can....

That is how it has been in my little world, so multiply that a few million times for Prince and you start to understand.

On top of that, someone like Prince has an image to uphold. It was expensive to build, with many years of promotion and publicity so he can't let that down for a moment, or he ends up like Brittney Spears. Well, unfortunately, it's not so easy to live up to being "genius" and "greatest hope since James Brown" so he over-acted at times. Big deal. Narcissism isn't confined to creative types. We just live our lives in public.

I think I've seen some eccentricity from everyone in my life, including you.

Grace! That's what we all need to get and to give. May He rest in peace. I hope to jam with him and Curtis Mayfield one day.
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#258877 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:07 am
jookeyman wrote:
yod wrote:My own brother died last September of overdosing on meth, and no one who knew him suspected he was doing it.


Sorry for your loss, Ted. I know the feeling (we shared all of this before).

No one could tell he was using?? Did he move away from family before this happened??
BTW- if you don't reply to this, I truly understand.

What I'm getting at here- I've lost friends to that crap as well and I can spot a habitual tweeker from a country mile. Bad teeth, open sores, very poor hygiene, psychosis. BAD sh*t!!!

I'm w/ Hoyt Axton on this one.



A week ago Saturday was the first talk I had with his wife.

She says that she told me he was acting strangely, but you'd have to know my crazy brother to understand why that wasn't really a sign. Maybe he had been doing it for the last decade... because he was always crazy?

No, she claims she didn't know. His friends didn't know. He sunk himself into work and had not lost any noticeable weight. I don't think he had yet become a full-blown tweaker and had underestimated his ability to handle it.

I can see how easy it would be for Prince to over-estimate his ability to absorb Soma too. I did the same thing for a couple of years in the 80s but he kept going.
#258890 by Badstrat
Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:27 pm
"Mark, the thing about Prince was the entire package. His talent was more than a great singer/guitarist/pianist. He was the penultimate performer. He oozed sex appeal and danced like James Brown while playing like Jimi Hendrix and singing with a wider range than almost anyone else in pop music in his day. Not really my style, but I "got it" that all the ladies liked him"

All true, Yod, but still he wasn't a BandMix star who could play jazz and bluegrass and rock and retro country and blues and.other stuff.

So really, just how big could he actually have been? :)
#258891 by Planetguy
Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:34 pm
Bandmix Star? :lol:

damn, i would have thought some big bucks, groupies, or weekly deliveries of fine stogies and single malt would come w that, no?

don't fret about it slacker. we're ALL Bandmix Stars....or NONE of us are! :lol:
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#258893 by Planetguy
Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:46 pm
yod wrote:
I loved the movie Purple Rain. Who didn't in 1983? or was it 1984?


me.

Mark, the thing about Prince was the entire package. His talent was more than a great singer/guitarist/pianist. He was the penultimate performer. He oozed sex appeal and danced like James Brown while playing like Jimi Hendrix and singing with a wider range than almost anyone else in pop music in his day. Not really my style, but I "got it" that all the ladies liked him.


well, i get that the ladies liked him. but the rest of it? no. gtr playing like Hendrix???? i don't hear it. good gtrst? absolutely. but Hendrix had a lot of original stuff going on (and some borrowed too) but i never heard anything "original" in Prince's playing. yeah, he played a lot of instruments. so do a lot of people. range? yeah that's nice but w/o all the other things that make a "good singer".....that's like a race car with a huge engine that lacks all the other things it needs.

ANYONE can play a guitar, and some people can even sing....but I had enormous respect for Prince's ability as a creator and producer. Yeah...he could do R&B, funk, psychedelic, and then burn on some rock like no black guitarist had done since Hendrix, but his success was based on his ability to produce constantly. He treated every song seriously and I don't know of anyone who left us with a thousand songs written, ready, and yet unreleased like he did.


and this might be the biggest thing i can't get on board with....see, i hate the production of almost everything i've heard from him!

hmmm, i wonder if he could play Soca? :lol:

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