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#249215 by Planetguy
Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:11 pm
oh, those wacky repubs and their wacky distortions of the facts! it's like they think no one is gonna fact check their fictions.

full article here.....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/factchecking-the-cnbc-debates/ar-BBmz5qH?ocid=se

Summary

The Republican candidates met once again, and we found several claims worthy of fact-checking. Here are some of the highlights from the debate:

Former CEO Carly Fiorina claimed that 92 percent of the job losses in President Obama’s first term belonged to women, but women — and men — gained jobs by the end of Obama’s first term.

Businessman Donald Trump disputed the idea that he had criticized Sen. Marco Rubio and Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg for supporting H-1B visas. In fact, Trump’s immigration plan, posted on his website, is critical of both of them.

Trump also claimed his campaign was 100 percent self-funded, but more than half of the money his campaign has raised came from supporters’ contributions.

Fiorina blamed the Affordable Care Act for a large disparity in firm closings versus openings every year. But closings outnumbered firm births by the widest margin in 2009, a year before the law was enacted.

Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson said it was “total propaganda” to say he was involved with a controversial nutritional supplement company, but he appeared in promotional videos for the company, touting its products.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said that Social Security would be insolvent in seven to eight years. But even after the trust funds are exhausted — estimated to be in 14 to 19 years — the program can still pay out 73 percent of benefits for several decades.

Sen. Ted Cruz said women’s wages have declined under Obama, when in fact the latest figures show their wages have increased.

Rubio claimed CNBC’s John Harwood was wrong that a Tax Foundation analysis of his tax plan found those in the top 1 percent of earners would get nearly twice the gain as those in the middle. Harwood was right, and that’s on a percentage basis.

In the undercard debate, former New York Gov. George Pataki claimed the Iranians, Russians and Chinese “hacked” the private server Hillary Clinton used as secretary of state and obtained “state secrets.” There’s no evidence of that.
#249221 by J-HALEY
Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:30 pm
Planetguy wrote:oh, those wacky repubs and their wacky distortions of the facts! it's like they think no one is gonna fact check their fictions.

full article here.....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/factchecking-the-cnbc-debates/ar-BBmz5qH?ocid=se

Summary

The Republican candidates met once again, and we found several claims worthy of fact-checking. Here are some of the highlights from the debate:

Former CEO Carly Fiorina claimed that 92 percent of the job losses in President Obama’s first term belonged to women, but women — and men — gained jobs by the end of Obama’s first term.

Businessman Donald Trump disputed the idea that he had criticized Sen. Marco Rubio and Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg for supporting H-1B visas. In fact, Trump’s immigration plan, posted on his website, is critical of both of them.

Trump also claimed his campaign was 100 percent self-funded, but more than half of the money his campaign has raised came from supporters’ contributions.

Fiorina blamed the Affordable Care Act for a large disparity in firm closings versus openings every year. But closings outnumbered firm births by the widest margin in 2009, a year before the law was enacted.

Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson said it was “total propaganda” to say he was involved with a controversial nutritional supplement company, but he appeared in promotional videos for the company, touting its products.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said that Social Security would be insolvent in seven to eight years. But even after the trust funds are exhausted — estimated to be in 14 to 19 years — the program can still pay out 73 percent of benefits for several decades.

Sen. Ted Cruz said women’s wages have declined under Obama, when in fact the latest figures show their wages have increased.

Rubio claimed CNBC’s John Harwood was wrong that a Tax Foundation analysis of his tax plan found those in the top 1 percent of earners would get nearly twice the gain as those in the middle. Harwood was right, and that’s on a percentage basis.

In the undercard debate, former New York Gov. George Pataki claimed the Iranians, Russians and Chinese “hacked” the private server Hillary Clinton used as secretary of state and obtained “state secrets.” There’s no evidence of that.


Bwa Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Hysterically Laughable! Your side even has the media behind it full of Lies, false narratives, distortion of the facts. Mark you're just jealous! :lol:
#249223 by Planetguy
Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:41 pm
thanks for that heady post, jeff. it's hard to argue with the way you really addressed all those distortions so well..... the concise way that you analyzed the actual facts vs. the BS they spewed.....


....oh, wait...you didn't. at all. :oops:
#249245 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:07 pm
Oh, c'mon. MSNBC is 10x worse than Fox for being partisan hacks...and I remind you that their owner, GE, was the biggest political donors to Obama's Pres Campaigns? They got the lions share of the "stimulus" payoff a few months later and have paid ZERO in taxes since the dark reign began.

Hardly a reliable unbiased source....but there aren't any of those, so lets look at what you think we should swallow. I didn't waste any time watching it, figured I'd get it later on youtube anyway....but it looks like Ted Cruz got the biggest applause so far.


Former CEO Carly Fiorina claimed that 92 percent of the job losses in President Obama’s first term belonged to women, but women — and men — gained jobs by the end of Obama’s first term.


Only if you're counting illegal immigrants, and part time jobs.

The amount of people who have full-time jobs in America is at an all time low in American history, and has been for several years now. The gender polls of job market fluctuations is much less important to me. They haven't created an atmosphere where the middle class, or small businesses can grow in 7 years....only downward mobility is available to the American worker today. No, they simply changed the way it was measured and reported. The only sector of our economy that has grown in the last 7 years is the government.



Businessman Donald Trump disputed the idea that he had criticized Sen. Marco Rubio and Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg for supporting H-1B visas. In fact, Trump’s immigration plan, posted on his website, is critical of both of them.


Like criticizing your political opposition is really a story? This is a veiled attempt at starting a fight between GOP rivals, and not a serious question in the first place.




Trump also claimed his campaign was 100 percent self-funded, but more than half of the money his campaign has raised came from supporters’ contributions.


Funding and income are different things, so I'm not sure if this a half-truth or not...but what difference does that make? It seems obvious to me that he's only saying that he isn't backed by any corporations or special interest groups. If individual citizens are all who are giving to him, then he is as self-funded as my last CD.

It's just phony for them to act like they care, because I don't remember them complaining that Obama refused to report where his largest source of contributions, were coming from online donations. Not one major media did a story when it was discovered that a lot of money was coming in from middle-eastern nations (which is illegal) but good luck getting the corrupt Justice Dept to do anything but cover the corruption.



Fiorina blamed the Affordable Care Act for a large disparity in firm closings versus openings every year. But closings outnumbered firm births by the widest margin in 2009, a year before the law was enacted.


Well, of course there are closings during a recession. The point is that Obama has done nothing but make that recession worse for most of his terms (plural). To be more accurate, she should have simply mentioned that there has been a permanent recession since Obama was elected.

Until Texas and North Dakota started cranking out record-breaking amounts of oil. :D

....your welcome.


Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson said it was “total propaganda” to say he was involved with a controversial nutritional supplement company, but he appeared in promotional videos for the company, touting its products.



How many people who are hired for a commercial are really "involved" with the company? I can see how either statement could be true, but MSNBC doesn't appear to seeking the truth as much as casting doubt to bring Carson down. I mean, that has to be it since Obama and Clinton have appeared in pictures with leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood and can you ever remember them questioning either about it?

And are you really worried about nutritional products when there is the Muslim Brotherhood at your door?


New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said that Social Security would be insolvent in seven to eight years. But even after the trust funds are exhausted — estimated to be in 14 to 19 years — the program can still pay out 73 percent of benefits for several decades.


He's a liberal. They get a pass for lying, doncha know? :wink:


But I would have guessed it runs out much sooner by the way Obama has multiplied the national debt more than ALL Presidents before him combined. Flights to golf vacations cost half a million these days, ya know? :lol:




Sen. Ted Cruz said women’s wages have declined under Obama, when in fact the latest figures show their wages have increased.


Yea, I'll have to look at how they got that statistic. I say baloney, and bet that it's gone way down if you don't count government jobs.





Rubio claimed CNBC’s John Harwood was wrong that a Tax Foundation analysis of his tax plan found those in the top 1 percent of earners would get nearly twice the gain as those in the middle. Harwood was right, and that’s on a percentage basis.


Says who? MSNBC, the Obama channel???

Can't say I have any idea about this one. I'd have to see their proof and then check it against what is published and known. Sometimes they get close, but as many times as I've done it with MSNBC/NBC (aka The Department of Propaganda) the process usually confirms that they are putting one helluva wild spin on reality in every story they do.

They make no pretense of being unbiased, which I like because they are a watchdog against "SOME" corruption, but most of their "news" are only liberal editorials dressed up as if it was real news. They're just always going to hide any liberal corruption, and demonize the rest of the world with ridicule and hit pieces.

Like Ted Cruz said....no one trusts the media any more. That's why you have crazies believing every internet story, btw. If no news is credible, then any news will do.


In the undercard debate, former New York Gov. George Pataki claimed the Iranians, Russians and Chinese “hacked” the private server Hillary Clinton used as secretary of state and obtained “state secrets.” There’s no evidence of that.



I'm glad to hear that Gov Pataki has at least the common sense that God gave a horsefly. Respectfully, anyone who doesn't know they have been spying on EVERY official in Washington is naive. Her's was just the easiest available path to whatever State secrets her husband didn't already give them for their contributions to the Clinton regimes

At least we hope hers is the only one they could get so easily, right?
#249273 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:31 pm
RUI Musik wrote:Ted, you keep mentioning MSNBC, but the debate was hosted by CNBC.





The hosts are MSNBC, but these derivatives of NBC are all the same thing.

Subsidiaries of G.E., NBC, etc...

It was NBC who released intentionally fabricated false narratives (though the truth was easily available) in Sanford FL (Treyvon Martin) and again in Ferguson.

Anything from G.E. is a discredited story, imo, but I still check them all the time in the hope that light might get in.
#249275 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:52 pm
RUI Musik wrote:Sorry, you're wrong. CNBC is owned by Comcast. MSNBC is owned by NBC (and formerly Microsoft). They are not "all the same thing".



Actually Comcast owns NBC/Universal and is another subsidiary of G.E.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast

MSN is who released this "fact check" that I'm responding to, and they are also a subsidiary.


It's a tangled web of broadcast television media that are all under the same company whenever you're talking about:

NBC
Universal
MSNBC
CNBC
MSN
#249277 by MikeTalbot
Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:53 pm
While I don't care much for the Republican Party I found the debate to be so ridiculous I couldn't believe it.

Touch questions? Please. It was like three kindergartners asking kid questions of adults.

These candidates are trying to convince people to vote for them for top figurehead in the uniparty. Some people still take that nonsense seriously. Shouldn't they at least get a chance to hear the candidates on issues just a bit more substantive than their opinion on 'fantasy football?'

Pretty pathetic. Ted Cruz nailed them to the wall. If he wasn't so keen on foreign military adventures I think I could vote for him. Even Rubio sounded like a man for once.

Talbot
#249289 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:32 am
Ouch...looks like this has bitten NBC. I see no way they could do anything more against the GOP than they've already done, but the GOP is pulling their next debates planned for the NBC network. Honestly, they were stupid to do it even once.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... nbc-debate



But Talbot, speaking of UniParty....what do you think about Paul Ryan's new position?




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#249369 by MikeTalbot
Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:12 am
Ted

Paul Ryan? A fine man, fine fine man... And to show just what a fine principled man he is his first act was to declare he will keep stealing our money to support those murderers at Planned Parenthood. May the Lord reward him according to his deeds...

And Happy Reformation Day!

Talbot

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