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Washington responsible for MH17 crash of Malaysian airliner over Ukraine: Dr. Roberts

http://conservativeread.com/washington- ... r-roberts/

August 2, 2015 By chris Filed Under: Airlines, Russia, White House

A former White House official says the crash of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine last year was a plot hatched in Washington and implemented with the help of the government in Kiev in order to implicate Russia.

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, who was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, made the remarks in an interview with Press TV on Saturday.

On July 17, 2014, the Boeing 777-200 passenger plane crashed in Ukraine’s conflict zone, killing all 298 people aboard. According to US intelligence and military officials, the plane was hit by a Russian SA-series missile launched from eastern Ukraine.

A preliminary report released in the Netherlands last year stated the airliner had no technical problems in the moments before it crashed in the sky after being struck by multiple objects. But Dutch investigators still have not released the detailed findings of their investigation.

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This week, Russia used its veto at the United Nations to block a draft resolution to establish an international tribunal into the MH17 disaster, fearing that as the facts don’t support the US propaganda that Russia is responsible for the crash, Washington is pushing a UN tribunal on the incident to get the desired results.

“I believe Washington is responsible. I don’t know whether it was a formal government decision or just a decision of some rogue part of it, because it served to put pressure on Russia,” Dr. Roberts said.

“It served to help Washington convince the Europeans to go along with sanctions. And it proved to be very effective propaganda against Russia,” he added.

“I noticed that neither Washington nor the government in Kiev have released the information that they had. Kiev refuses to release the communications of Ukrainian air control with the airliner – we don’t know whether the airliner was diverted or pulled towards the combat zone,” he stated.

“And Washington which had a satellite over the airliner when it was destroyed refuses to release its information. Only Russia has released any information,” he noted.

Dr. Roberts went on to say that “now we have the fact that the report of the investigation conducted by the Dutch apparently cannot be released. It seems Washington has blocked the release.”

“And instead of release, we get Washington planning leaks in the media about what the report says… and leaks of the report – as always – found that Russia is responsible,” he pointed out.

The analyst said the Dutch investigators deny that Russia is responsible, “but their denial doesn’t get the attention that the accusation does.”

“So it seems clear that it’s a mechanism used against Russia. And therefore it serves only Washington, and Washington’s puppet regime in Kiev. So I am certain that Washington and Kiev are clearly responsible,” Dr. Roberts concluded.

You condemn all the current administaration and anyone related to them, yet some wack-job who served for Ronnie Raygun is a good source?

From the wack-job's site:
Who Shot Down MH-17?

Paul Craig Roberts

The available evidence convinces me that the Malaysian airliner shot down over Ukraine was a plot hatched in Washington in order to blame Russia, blame which helps Washington’s pressure on Europe for sanctions against Russia. An alternative explanation is that Washington’s stooge government in Kiev in an assassination attempt against Vladimir Putin mistook the Malaysian airliner for Putin’s airplane.

The circumstantial evidence in favor of the former explanation is that the Western media was primed and ready to go with stories blaming Russia the minute the news broke that the airliner had been downed

In one place he says "available evidence" then in the next paragraph, admits it is "circumstantial evidence".

And you are too ignorant to see that they are destroying your country.

He was also sec'y of treasury under that well known communist, Ronald Reagan.

Talbot

Washington’s Fifth Columns Inside Russia and China

http://conservativeread.com/washingtons ... and-china/

August 4, 2015 By chris Filed Under: China, Foreign Policy, Russia

Paul Craig Roberts | InfoWars

Washington’s Fifth Columns pulled off “color revolutions” in former Russian provinces, such as Georgia.

It took two decades for Russia and China to understand that “pro-democracy” and “human rights” organizations operating within their countries were subversive organizations funded by the US Department of State and a collection of private American foundations organized by Washington. The real purpose of these non-governmental organizations (NGOs) is to advance Washington’s hegemony by destabilizing the two countries capable of resisting US hegemony.

Washington’s Fifth Columns pulled off “color revolutions” in former Russian provinces, such as Georgia, the birthplace of Joseph Stalin and Ukraine, a Russian province for centuries.

When Putin was last elected, Washington was able to use its Fifth Columns to pour thousands of protesters into the streets of Russia claiming that Putin had “stolen the election.” This American propaganda had no effect on Russia, where the citizen back their president by 89%. The other 11% consists almost entirely of Russians who believe Putin is too soft toward the West’s aggression. This minority supports Putin as well. They only want him to be tougher. The actual percentage of the population that Washington has been able to turn into treasonous agents is only 2-3 percent of the population. These traitors are the “Westerners,” the “Atlantic integrationists,” who are willing for their country to be an American vassal state in exchange for money. Paid to them, of course.

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But Washington’s ability to put its Fifth Columns into the streets of Moscow had an effect on insouciant Americans and Europeans. Many Westerners today believe that Putin stole his election and is intent on using his office to rebuild the Soviet Empire and to crush the West. Not that crushing the West would be a difficult thing to do. The West has pretty much already crushed itself.

China, obsessed with becoming rich, has been an easy mark for Washington. The Rockefeller Foundation is supporting pro-American Chinese professors in the universities. US corporations operating in China create superfluous “boards” to which the relatives of the ruling political class are appointed and paid high “directors’s fees.” This compromises the loyalty of the Chinese ruling class.

Hoping to have compromised the Chinese ruling class with money, Washington then launched its Hong Kong NGOs in protests, hoping that the protests would spread into China and that the ruling class, bought with American money, would be slow to see the danger.

Russia and China finally caught on. It is amazing that the governments of the two countries that Washington regards as “threats” were so tolerant of foreign-financed NGOs for so long. The Russian and Chinese toleration of Washington’s Fifth Columns must have greatly encouraged the American neoconservatives, thus pushing the world closer to conflict.

But as they say, all good things come to an end. The Saker reports that China finally has acted to protect itself from Washington’s subversion: http://www.vineyardsaker.co.nz/2015/07/ ... -draitser/

Russia, also, has acted in her defense: http://www.globalresearch.ca/kicked-out ... cy/5466082

Also: http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-russia ... ts/5466119

We Americans need to be humble, not arrogant. We need to acknowledge that American living standards, except for the favored One Percent, are in long-term decline and have been for two decades. If life on earth is to continue, Americans need to understand that it is not Russia and China, any more than it was Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Assad, Yemen, Pakistan, and Somalia, that are threats to the US. The threat to the US resides entirely in the crazed neoconservative ideology of Washington’s hegemony over the world and over the American people.

This arrogant goal commits the US and its vassal states to nuclear war.

If Americans were to wake up, would they be able to do anything about their out-of-control-government? Are Europeans, having experienced the devastating results of World War I and World War II, capable of understanding that the incredible damage done to Europe in those wars is minuscule compared to the damage from nuclear war?

If the EU were an intelligent and independent government, the EU would absolutely forbid any member country from hosting a US anti-ballistic missile or any other military base anywhere close to Russia’s borders.

The Eastern European lobby groups in Washington want revenge on the Soviet Union, an entity that is no longer with us. The hatred transmits to Russia. Russia has done nothing except to have failed to read the Wolfowitz Doctrine and to realize that Washington intends to rule the world, which requires prevailing over Russia and China.

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Another TROLL that doesn't understand the concept of a REPUBLIC.

I'm not going to even bother to launch into another discussion of America. I can talk to my PIG and have a more rational discussion. Stop wasting AMERICAS TIME JIMBO.... Just go sign up with isis.

Mark

That is a great pic of Winter. Would you happen to have a copy without the 'conspiracy etc' text on it?

He didn't look so good after all the smack and tats and years.

My brother and I grew up loving Winter - he's played Firebirds since forever, and you know I like 'em.

cheers
Talbot