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#244508 by MikeTalbot
Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:29 am
JimmyD

As to Evolution

I'm not blind to science - things change. I just can't think of any where that complexity doesn't degrade towards simplicity - evolution suggests the opposite. The complexity of organic systems suggests a lot of things had to come together all at once. That just doesn't work for me.

But I'll raise the ante: I submit puppies and kittens. Would unfeeling nature somehow 'evolve' a defense mechanism like 'cuteness?' That only works on humans? I don't have enough faith to buy that one! 8)

Talbot
#244518 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:08 pm
My fourth grand baby was born today! Little Jonathan has parents that will raise him right, if the government doesn't tell them what to do with their bodies and his body. Fat chance!?!

Jimmy, I'm glad that you at least see a limit to when the baby ("fetus" in latin) can be murdered. Unfortunately most of the people you would support in the Democrat Party see no reason to put a limit on it. Obama gets way too much funding from the abortion lobby to back down from his approval of killing a baby even after it's born.

And Republicans talk a good game, but make sure to support the abortion lobby when the votes go down. Very few have true conviction.

Would you support one abortion per patient? The overwhelming majority 99% of abortions are done for birth control. It's just more convenient to kill that damn little thang....

My guess is that you do understand why that's wrong, but you choose to allow for personal liberty to make a wrong decision. I can respect that, though I choose to uphold personal responsibility as the primary deciding factor. If there are no consequences (besides a clinical procedure) then irresponsible behavior will only continue multiplying the dead.
#244521 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:31 pm
TheFarleys wrote:The problem with morals Mike is that they are different for different people. Something that is against your morals might be perfectly acceptable to other people in other places. Morals are also fluid and change over time.

In regards to the SC decisions, it comes down to whether you believe in a state's sovereignty versus the nation as a whole. As we all know many people in the south did (and still do) believe that a state should be able to determine its own course on things such as education and abortion. That fight goes back to the civil war, as we all recall from school. Others might argue that states are just relics from an earlier time and that the entire country should be considered when deciding these issues.



As you correctly pointed out, States Rights was the cause of the War of Northern Aggression. :lol:
And that was where the USA lost it's direction. Let them argue "relics" if they want, local communities should have the right to decide their own morality, short of violence, according to the principles of the Constitution...which says nothing about abortion no matter how twisted the ruling of a few Judges in Roe v Wade in 1973 was. No way the founding Fathers envisioned murdering a child a "protected right", so the entire debate is laying on a foundation of fraud.


As to evolution, it's hardly junk science. In fact the theory is one of the most tested - and accepted - in all of science. The Catholic Church has even accepted and stated that evolution is real and correct. I would encourage you to read any of the writings of Ernst Mayer if you really want to learn about it. Given that life began on this planet 3.5 billion years ago it more than explains the diversity we see.


The Catholic Church once forced scientists to accept the flat earth theory, too. I really do not see the Vatican as an authority on much of anything. Too much corruption and compromise in their history....which is what turned me into an atheist at age 15. I mean, the current Pope is an environmental whacko!?

But junk science aside, it is still a "theory" that contradicts science itself, including the second law of thermodynamics.

Do species evolve over time? Sure, no problem with that, but there is still no evidence of a "missing link" species evolving into another species. There are assumed transitional forms used as "proof", and there are presumed links between dinosaurs and birds...but no real proof. Speculation from a scientist might be a good educated guess, but it doesn't qualify as "fact" yet.

So there are still too many holes in the evolutionary theory to accept it as the full explanation of where we come from.


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#244525 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:01 pm
TheFarleys wrote:Evolution is not "just a theory", just as the theory of gravity is not just a theory.


It is called Evolutionary Theory for a reason

It is a real and accepted as fact by most educated and intelligent people.


There are tens of thousands of educated and intelligent scientists who would disagree that it explains Creation; only what comes after.


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#244533 by Badstrat
Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:25 pm
I think showing videos of late term abortions would be a good idea. I believe that showing the dismembered little bodies of children destroyed in the womb would be a nice idea. I think that those who approve of it should be made to watch that which they support. If you support murdering the innocent, then why shouldn't you view what the fruit of your support is doing to the unborn?

On the other hand, who are those that murder of their babies most often? Those of the left, the ungodly who do not believe in the God of creation.

I guess that every dark cloud has a silver lining if you could call it that. They are after all murdering the future enemies of freedom and the future enemies of those who believe in the Living God of creation. Isn't that so?

But I would rather they were not aborted because I do not believe in the death penalty for the innocent. If you are going to use mob rule (mob approval) to kill them, at least be fair and give the unborn a trial by jury before doing imposing the death sentence. Even mass murderers get a trial before sentencing. I know that liberals would rather execute the innocent for their parents sins but at the least let's be fair about it.
#244534 by DainNobody
Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:40 pm
then why did the customs and culture of the ancient Roman times allow an infant that was deformed or had a birth defect to be placed on a flat rock in the wilderness to die of exposure?.. their wisdom allowed for the future suffering of the infant to cease.. how is that practice much different than a 15 year old ghetto girl with no means of support, and perhaps has not attained the necessary nurturing skills to give the baby a wholesome and well educated environment and that crappy environment will cause the infant's future suffering to carry on? an abortion allows the suffering to cease
#244538 by MikeTalbot
Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:18 pm
I'll show you the money. A friend told me a lady heknew was contemplating an abortion. I offered to take the baby. In less than a week I'd rounded up a couple who were quite willing to take the child and help pay for it.

The woman was quite touched and decided to keep the baby.

I also worked with a non-denominational Christian group to put a roof on a pregnancy crisis center near the airport in Atlanta - and generally fix it up. I wrote the software they used to manage the place. Last time I was down there I saw over 180 pictures of babies on the wall. Live ones.

i will say that I found a down site to the non-denominational thing - the Catholics and Lutherans (that's an odd latch up I know) wanted to drink beer while we worked and the Baptists and Methodists weren't so keen on that! 8)

Cheers
Talbot
#244614 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:23 pm
Dayne Nobody IV wrote:then why did the customs and culture of the ancient Roman times allow an infant that was deformed or had a birth defect to be placed on a flat rock in the wilderness to die of exposure?.. their wisdom allowed for the future suffering of the infant to cease.. how is that practice much different than a 15 year old ghetto girl with no means of support, and perhaps has not attained the necessary nurturing skills to give the baby a wholesome and well educated environment and that crappy environment will cause the infant's future suffering to carry on? an abortion allows the suffering to cease



Hmmmm.... you assume that a poor person has to stay that way? No wonder you like Bernie Sanders.


You just killed Andrew Carnegie, Jim Carrey, Ursula Burns (Chairwoman of Xerox), Oprah Winfrey, John Rockefeller, Grover Washington, Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin....

This list could go on forever. Killing someone because their parents are poor is the worst kind of discrimination.




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#244615 by t-Roy and The Smoking Section
Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:30 pm
TheFarleys wrote:. These things all have costs; if the righties really want to reduce abortions then show me the money.




EVERY SINGLE WOMAN who is contemplating abortion can find almost unlimited help through the "righties". You are only ignorant of that fact because you choose to be.

My oldest son and his wife have poured entire their lives (and their own $$$) into helping mothers, expectant and otherwise, in the State of Colorado. I have no need to brag of my own history in this regard but I'll go to ends of the earth to save a baby and have done that a few times.

Mike is rather typical of how far "righties" will go to save an innocent life, while we are castigated for it from the "lefties".

you might actually believe the propaganda you're supporting, but make no mistake...the "lefties" you are supporting want to murder as many children as possible.

Planned (Ending of) Parenthood gets $350,000,000 per year in TAX dollars for it's grisly mill.

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